Thread - LMI Tests 2011 - Some Statistics

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-12-28 10:41 AM

Rohan Rao - 2011-12-28 10:32 AM

Looking at those statistics, it seems to be a wrong notion that sudoku is more popular than puzzles!

Are you referring to "total number of unique players"?
In that case, as Akash would point out, we had more puzzle tests including a screen test which had tons of players.

@ 2011-12-28 10:56 AM (#6280 - in reply to #6278) (#6280) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-12-28 10:56 AM

Rohan Rao - 2011-12-28 10:32 AM

12 Players have participated in 'all tests'. It will be interesting to know about 'The Perfect Dozen' :-)

Here are they (in alphabetical order)
aldentea
deu
hayam
Kota
Nikola
nyuta
Rohan Rao
sknight
skrzypl1
S_Aoki
volxa
yureklis

(Note that 7 of them are from Japan)

Here are the 8 players, who missed just one test out of 31.
HuDu (Nikoli Selection 2011)
mackokajka (Nikoli Selection 2011)
motris (Best of LMI Puzzle Tests)
rob (Tapa Variations Contest - VI)
snakeeyes (Magic Cube)
sugitakukun (Melon's Puzzle Zoo)
tamz29 (Puzzle Hybrids)
zorko (Forsmarts 3² Anniversary)

Edited by debmohanty 2011-12-28 10:57 AM

@ 2011-12-28 11:23 AM (#6281 - in reply to #6280) (#6281) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-12-28 11:23 AM

Here is the breakup list for Sudoku tests / Puzzle tests

31 players participated in all Sudoku tests. Alphabetically they are

Akuma21	aldentea	cnarrikkattu	David McNeill	deu	DreamRose311
hayam	HuDu	Kota	mackokajka	motris	Nikola
nyuta	peluri	prasanna16391	RickiFerrara	rob	Rohan Rao
sinchai4547	SKnight	skrzypl1	skywalker	smkiefer	snakeeyes
sugitakukun	S_Aoki	tamz29	Tejal Phatak	volxa	yureklis
zorko

17 players participated in all monthly puzzle tests. Alphabetically they are

aldentea	Christian	deu	hayam	Kota	Nikola
nyuta	Para	Psyho	rob	Rohan Rao	sknight
skrzypl1	S_Aoki	volxa	yureklis	zorko

@ 2011-12-28 3:28 PM (#6282 - in reply to #6263) (#6282) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2011-12-28 3:28 PM

More information on similar lines - Number of Players Vs Number Tests

@ 2011-12-28 3:29 PM (#6283 - in reply to #6263) (#6283) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2011-12-28 3:29 PM

Breakup for Sudoku and puzzle tests

@ 2011-12-28 3:32 PM (#6284 - in reply to #6263) (#6284) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2011-12-28 3:32 PM

What is common in these 3 graphs : Close to 55% of the players participated in just 1 or 2 tests, and didn't participate again. It will be interesting to understand if we should do something about it.

@ 2011-12-28 3:40 PM (#6285 - in reply to #6284) (#6285) Top

Valezius

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Valezius posted @ 2011-12-28 3:40 PM

I see there are at least 392 active member (who participated on at least 4 test), and there are 171 very active member (10+ tests).
In my opinion these numbers are really respectable.

Congratulation.

@ 2011-12-29 1:29 AM (#6289 - in reply to #6263) (#6289) Top

motris

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motris posted @ 2011-12-29 1:29 AM

Well, I think the biggest factor regarding participation rates is online solving ability. My guess is a lot of the single occurrence puzzle players are from the Screen Test (only paperless Puzzle test), and a lot of the lower occurrence Sudoku players are specifically from the tests that had online solving option. Not everyone has a printer.

@ 2011-12-29 6:43 AM (#6290 - in reply to #6289) (#6290) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-12-29 6:43 AM

There are certainly lot of players who participated only in the Screen Test, but it is not that high.

I'm breaking up the 304 number of players who played just one test. Here is the break up by the "Only Test"
(This is to be read as, for example, 11 players participated in Twist, and didn't participate in any other puzzle test)

Similar break up for Sudoku tests as well.

So, my 55% number is certainly not correct. We can ignore Screen Test and April Sudoku test. We can also ignore the two "Best of" tests since they were the last tests of the year.

@ 2011-12-29 7:09 AM (#6291 - in reply to #6263) (#6291) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-12-29 7:09 AM

#of Paper Solvers / #of Online Solvers in Sudoku tests

@ 2011-12-29 1:04 PM (#6292 - in reply to #6263) (#6292) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2011-12-29 1:04 PM

Well I think we can consider some of the participants in the 2 Best of tests as newcomers who might stay on. :) I personally feel its due to the tough difficulty mainly, as I think that most of the 1-test participants are Indians(correct me if I'm wrong.) Considering the difficulty of the National Finals, LMI tests are way more difficult. I don't really know an apt solution to that though. Probably request the authors to do some easy puzzles for an added first-timer version.

@ 2011-12-29 1:50 PM (#6293 - in reply to #6292) (#6293) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2011-12-29 1:50 PM

prasanna16391 - 2011-12-29 1:04 PM

Well I think we can consider some of the participants in the 2 Best of tests as newcomers who might stay on. :) I personally feel its due to the tough difficulty mainly, as I think that most of the 1-test participants are Indians(correct me if I'm wrong.) Considering the difficulty of the National Finals, LMI tests are way more difficult. I don't really know an apt solution to that though. Probably request the authors to do some easy puzzles for an added first-timer version.

The numbers suggest so. Here is the break up of 1-test participants (sudoku or puzzle) by countries.

@ 2011-12-29 2:36 PM (#6295 - in reply to #6293) (#6295) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2011-12-29 2:36 PM

Serbia's 7 might be mostly due to the last two Championship tests. They may continue participating now. Lets hope so. For India at least, based on some friends' reactions, I think its because they come, give the test, get a zero score or something just a bit more, see the rest of the scores and get discouraged. Maybe we should have a stat for everyone's first puzzle/sudoku tests up to show them that a lot of the top players started off bad too :P

@ 2011-12-29 5:53 PM (#6297 - in reply to #6295) (#6297) Top

rakesh_rai

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2011-12-29 5:53 PM

I would be interested in a stat like this: "Amongst those who have submitted more than 100 answers, who are the ones with highest % of correct answer submissions" for puzzle tests, and for sudoku tests. Probably, we can exclude tests like Screen test here.

@ 2011-12-29 7:59 PM (#6298 - in reply to #6297) (#6298) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2011-12-29 7:59 PM

rakesh_rai - 2011-12-29 5:53 PM

I would be interested in a stat like this: "Amongst those who have submitted more than 100 answers, who are the ones with highest % of correct answer submissions" for puzzle tests, and for sudoku tests. Probably, we can exclude tests like Screen test here.

There are only <15 players who have submitted 100+ sudokus. So I reduced the limit to 50 in case of Sudoku.

@ 2011-12-29 8:01 PM (#6299 - in reply to #6263) (#6299) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2011-12-29 8:01 PM

Not sure if Screen Test should have been excluded. ByronosaurusRex has the most correct submission percentage and interestingly, he was the only player to have all puzzles correct in ST2.

@ 2011-12-29 9:38 PM (#6300 - in reply to #6299) (#6300) Top

vopani

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vopani posted @ 2011-12-29 9:38 PM

Gotroch!

Also, surprisingly, Serkan appears only in least % for both together.

Btw, just wanted to know what is my %s?

EDIT:Graphs are re-created.

Edited by Rohan Rao 2011-12-30 10:50 AM

@ 2011-12-29 10:02 PM (#6301 - in reply to #6300) (#6301) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2011-12-29 10:02 PM

Rohan Rao - 2011-12-29 9:38 PM
Btw, just wanted to know what is my %s?

@ 2011-12-29 10:10 PM (#6302 - in reply to #6300) (#6302) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2011-12-29 10:10 PM

Rohan Rao - 2011-12-29 9:38 PM

Gotroch!

Also, surprisingly, Serkan appears only in least % for both together.

Something wrong with the numbers. I'll paste the correct numbers later.

@ 2011-12-29 10:16 PM (#6303 - in reply to #6302) (#6303) Top

vopani

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vopani posted @ 2011-12-29 10:16 PM

Administrator - 2011-12-29 10:10 PM

Rohan Rao - 2011-12-29 9:38 PM

Gotroch!

Also, surprisingly, Serkan appears only in least % for both together.

Something wrong with the numbers. I'll paste the correct numbers later.

It need not be wrong if Serkan has <75 submissions in any one of puzzle/sudoku.

@ 2011-12-29 10:16 PM (#6304 - in reply to #6263) (#6304) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2011-12-29 10:16 PM

Is it too much to ask about my %s too then?

Edited by prasanna16391 2011-12-29 10:16 PM

@ 2011-12-30 5:06 AM (#6305 - in reply to #6298) (#6305) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2011-12-30 5:06 AM

Graphs are uploaded again.

There are only <15 players who have submitted 100+ sudokus. So I reduced the limit to 50 in case of Sudoku.

@ 2011-12-30 5:14 AM (#6306 - in reply to #6304) (#6306) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2011-12-30 5:14 AM

prasanna16391 - 2011-12-29 10:16 PM

Is it too much to ask about my %s too then?

You could be leading the right side table next year if you continue like this

@ 2011-12-30 5:18 AM (#6307 - in reply to #6267) (#6307) Top

Para

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Para posted @ 2011-12-30 5:18 AM

debmohanty - 2011-12-27 8:22 PM

Para - 2011-12-27 8:18 PM

Hmmmm, does that mean I was first to report all broken puzzles?

Interestingly, yes.
May be I should ask you to take test always as the first player

I doubt I'd notice them all. I mean I missed one of them while solving and only found out when I realised my answer key was wrong (all my deductions had been correct, it just lead to a problem at the end in a rule I hadn't been using to finish off the puzzle). I also still have a few puzzles I haven't managed to solve (yet).

@ 2011-12-30 12:53 PM (#6310 - in reply to #6306) (#6310) Top