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swaroop2011
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Country : India | can anybody help me out with how to get start in TOROIDAL.
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Gotroch
Posts: 83
Country : Czech Republic | Gotroch posted @ 2011-05-22 10:16 PM swaroop2011 - 2011-05-22 9:46 PM
can anybody help me out with how to get start in TOROIDAL.
There are only 9 possible ways how to arrange the lines to form sudoku with 3x3 boxes.
You can easily eliminate 8 of them if you imagine the lines in your mind. (usually because two same digits appear in one box ) |
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Administrator
 
Country : India | Administrator - 2011-05-22 10:52 AM
LMI flash interface is not well equipped for solving some of the Sudokus in this round, especially Draw A Jigsaw, Toroidal, Hidden Sum Blackout, and to some extent Incomplete Sums
We are discussing how we can tackle this situation. An announcement in this respect is due.
We tried to enhance the flash interface for solving, but online solving experience was not much better (especially for Draw A Jigsaw / Toroidal / Hidden Sum Blackout )
So we decided that there won't be any flash interface for solving for this test. |
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beat
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Country : Poland | beat posted @ 2011-05-24 5:23 PM !!! Incomplete sums can have multiple solutions e.g.
413+25+6
536+14+2
245+63+1
152+46+3
361+52+4
624+31+5
AM I right? or I'm missing something? |
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Fred76
Posts: 337
Country : Switzerland | Fred76 posted @ 2011-05-24 5:46 PM beat - 2011-05-24 5:23 PM
!!! Incomplete sums can have multiple solutions e.g.
413+25+6
536+14+2
245+63+1
152+46+3
361+52+4
624+31+5
AM I right? or I'm missing something?
Beat,
On this puzzle we don't see very well the 2x3 box, but they exist  . Your solution doesn't respect standard sudoku rules (concerning these 2x3 box ).
Fred |
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Gotroch
Posts: 83
Country : Czech Republic | Gotroch posted @ 2011-05-24 5:47 PM beat - 2011-05-24 5:23 PM
!!! Incomplete sums can have multiple solutions e.g.
413+25+6
536+14+2
245+63+1
152+46+3
361+52+4
624+31+5
AM I right? or I'm missing something?
In your solution, you have repeated digits in 2x3 boxes. |
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Fred76
Posts: 337
Country : Switzerland | Fred76 posted @ 2011-05-24 5:55 PM beat - 2011-05-24 5:23 PM
I'm missing something?
Yes, but you're perfectly within the theme of this contest  |
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purifire
Posts: 460
Country : India | Hi Gotroch, I had a few Questions...
Torroidal
Do the shapes have to be rectangular boxes or they can also be jigsaw shaped??
Draw a Jigsaw.
When we draw the shapes is it a must that an incomplete line has to be only an extension of the given part or we can start drawing a shape from any point even from the middle of a given segment??
Which digit is missing?
In this puzzle I see a T-shaped green line, is that supposed to be treated as one single green line where the sum of all digits is the common sum, or do we treat them as 2 different lines with one digit common?
Rishi |
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Gotroch
Posts: 83
Country : Czech Republic | Gotroch posted @ 2011-05-26 8:58 PM purifire - 2011-05-26 4:04 PM
Torroidal
Do the shapes have to be rectangular boxes or they can also be jigsaw shaped??
All shapes have to be 3x3 rectangular boxes. But as it is toroidal puzzle, these 3x3 boxes can wrap around edges.
As I wrote before you have only 9 possible ways how to arrange straight lines. (Theoretically you can arrange them in such way, that you create classic sudoku )
purifire - 2011-05-26 4:04 PM
Draw a Jigsaw.
When we draw the shapes is it a must that an incomplete line has to be only an extension of the given part or we can start drawing a shape from any point even from the middle of a given segment??
You can draw bold lines anywhere you want, but you have to satisfy the rule that if you have two neighbouring cells, divided by bold line ---> these two cells have to be in two different regions.
purifire - 2011-05-26 4:04 PM
Which digit is missing?
In this puzzle I see a T-shaped green line, is that supposed to be treated as one single green line where the sum of all digits is the common sum, or do we treat them as 2 different lines with one digit common?
For that T-shaped green line: Four cells are connected together - so common sum (X ) will be the sum of these 4 digits (1+6+3+0=10 ) |
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purifire
Posts: 460
Country : India | Gotroch - 2011-05-26 8:58 PM
purifire - 2011-05-26 4:04 PM
Torroidal
Do the shapes have to be rectangular boxes or they can also be jigsaw shaped??
All shapes have to be 3x3 rectangular boxes. But as it is toroidal puzzle, these 3x3 boxes can wrap around edges.
As I wrote before you have only 9 possible ways how to arrange straight lines. (Theoretically you can arrange them in such way, that you create classic sudoku )
purifire - 2011-05-26 4:04 PM
Draw a Jigsaw.
When we draw the shapes is it a must that an incomplete line has to be only an extension of the given part or we can start drawing a shape from any point even from the middle of a given segment??
You can draw bold lines anywhere you want, but you have to satisfy the rule that if you have two neighbouring cells, divided by bold line ---> these two cells have to be in two different regions.
purifire - 2011-05-26 4:04 PM
Which digit is missing?
In this puzzle I see a T-shaped green line, is that supposed to be treated as one single green line where the sum of all digits is the common sum, or do we treat them as 2 different lines with one digit common?
For that T-shaped green line: Four cells are connected together - so common sum (X ) will be the sum of these 4 digits (1+6+3+0=10 )
Thanks Gotroch... lovely set of puzzles... cant wait for the weekend : ) |
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Administrator
Country : India | Puzzle Booklet uploaded. It has 8 pages, including a cover page.
As announced earlier, there will not be any online solving mechanism in this test. |
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swaroop2011
Posts: 668
Country : India | hey urgent help i started the test now
but in kropki there is no dots visible in puzzle booklet.
plz help my time running out |
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debmohanty
Country : India | We have double checked all images and there is no problem in the image. |
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swaroop2011
Posts: 668
Country : India | i dont know then what the problem, idownloaded again but there are no white or black dots visible |
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debmohanty
Country : India | swaroop2011 - 2011-05-28 1:47 PM
i dont know then what the problem, idownloaded again but there are no white or black dots visible
Check my message
and if you can't solve a particular sudoku, move on to next sudoku |
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rvarun
Posts: 268
Country : India | rvarun posted @ 2011-05-28 4:45 PM The dots are missing in Puzzle #2 |
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Administrator
Country : India | Please note : the theme of the contest is "Something is Missing" - so some usual clues can be missing.
There is absolutely no problem in the pdf file. |
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Fred76
Posts: 337
Country : Switzerland | Fred76 posted @ 2011-05-28 6:05 PM I think I missed 60 points for just 2 or 3 seconds 
Deb, I can't see my result, is it normal?
Thanks for the test ! Beautiful but hard 
Fred |
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debmohanty
Country : India | Fred76 - 2011-05-28 6:05 PM
I think I missed 60 points for just 2 or 3 seconds You've missed more :- )
Fred76 - 2011-05-28 6:05 PM
Deb, I can't see my result, is it normal? No, let me check. Any specific error message that you get? |
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debmohanty
Country : India | Fred (and others who have already taken the test ),
To view score - Go to the submission page http://logicmastersindia.com/M201105S - Login if needed. Click on Start. After that you should be able to view scores. |
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Fred76
Posts: 337
Country : Switzerland | Fred76 posted @ 2011-05-28 6:18 PM debmohanty - 2011-05-28 6:12 PM
Fred (and others who have already taken the test ),
To view score - Go to the submission page http://logicmastersindia.com/M201105S - Login if needed. Click on Start. After that you should be able to view scores.
Thanks Deb !
Oh no, stupid mistake ! 65 pts lost very stupidely !
Aaaaargh ! |
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rvarun
Posts: 268
Country : India | rvarun posted @ 2011-05-28 6:58 PM Nice test. Especially Incomplete sums was awesome though I didnt finish it. I did it after the test. |
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Para
Posts: 315
Country : The Netherlands | Para posted @ 2011-05-28 11:33 PM Hi
I have a question before I start. Not sure if it can be answered but it will help me. I don't have access to a working printer this weekend, so will have to copy down the puzzles to paper. I just wanted to know if all grids besides the jigsaws will be in a standard 3x3 grid. Especially wondering for the instructionless, if this is something that you could give away. Will help me get my grids ready for when I start copying. hoping I don't copy a number wrong.. Sounds like an interesting set, so would still like to try. Think i'll have to skip the killer, not very practical. |
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Gotroch
Posts: 83
Country : Czech Republic | Gotroch posted @ 2011-05-28 11:49 PM Para - 2011-05-28 11:33 PM
Hi
I have a question before I start. Not sure if it can be answered but it will help me. I don't have access to a working printer this weekend, so will have to copy down the puzzles to paper. I just wanted to know if all grids besides the jigsaws will be in a standard 3x3 grid. Especially wondering for the instructionless, if this is something that you could give away. Will help me get my grids ready for when I start copying. hoping I don't copy a number wrong.. Sounds like an interesting set, so would still like to try. Think i'll have to skip the killer, not very practical.
All grids have 9x9 size. |
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motris
Posts: 199
Country : United States | motris posted @ 2011-05-29 8:18 AM Thanks for the amazing puzzles Gotroch. Some true 10-star puzzles here. Too bad something was missing from my brain while solving some of them, as a lot of mistakes at the start hurt my overall performance. |
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