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Chennai round (July 06): http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/Article.aspx?eid=31807&articlexm...

Delhi round (July 05): http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/Article.aspx?eid=31808&articlexm...

Mumbai round (July 05): http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/Article.aspx?eid=31804&articlexm...

Bangalore round (July 06): http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/Article.aspx?eid=31806&articlexm...
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great news as we were waiting for it.
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If we are selecting Indian teams through TSC then what about the winners of ISC 2014 ? Will it a 8 members team?
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Thank you for arranging this event. Can I please know the timings of the TSC round to be held in Bangalore ? I need to plan my travel from Hyderabad to Bangalore accordingly.
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sud - 2014-06-29 6:26 PM

Thank you for arranging this event. Can I please know the timings of the TSC round to be held in Bangalore ? I need to plan my travel from Hyderabad to Bangalore accordingly.


Just send the SMS as mentioned in TOI and you should get the required details regarding timings.
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-06-29 9:16 PM (#15849 - in reply to #15840) (#15849) Top




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another chance maybe this time :)

Edited by dp_94 2014-06-29 9:17 PM
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-06-30 12:19 AM (#15853 - in reply to #15840) (#15853) Top




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hi all, after searching a bit in forums I get to know that Round1 is 8 6x6's sudoku's and Round2 is 4 classic and 4 variations, is the format repeats this year also and are all 8 6x6's sudoku's are classic or some variation be also there.
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Hi, i would suggest don't make any assumption based on last year's. Things might change or it might remain same. No one knows it until contest begins.
But of course you can use past things for your practice.
Good Luck :)
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can some of my friends come with me without their registration.
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-06-30 2:14 PM (#15857 - in reply to #15840) (#15857) Top




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At what time test will end
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dopuzzle - 2014-06-30 2:07 PM

can some of my friends come with me without their registration.


I assume registration is probably a way for them to plan ahead knowing the number of participants, so I'd probably be on the safe side and ask your friends to register too.
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dopuzzle - 2014-06-30 2:14 PM

At what time test will end
Typically around 5PM.


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dopuzzle - 2014-06-30 2:07 PM

can some of my friends come with me without their registration.

I assume registration is probably a way for them to plan ahead knowing the number of participants, so I'd probably be on the safe side and ask your friends to register too.
I recall that last year they allowed one person per registration in some cities. So better to have your friends registered.

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dopuzzle - 2014-06-30 2:07 PM

can some of my friends come with me without their registration.


Hi. Please ask your friends to register. The Registration message was verified in the previous editions before the first round.
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-06-30 11:01 PM (#15862 - in reply to #15860) (#15862) Top




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It would be good if this time, TOI can provide certificates to the finalists.
It hurts wwhen after being chosen as a finalist from a city and still have no proof to show.

Edited by Dileep Singh 2014-06-30 11:12 PM
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-01 12:18 AM (#15864 - in reply to #15840) (#15864) Top




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Hi Dileep, How was the exp and the format last time. Can you pls share the format?
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-01 11:09 AM (#15868 - in reply to #15840) (#15868) Top




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if would be good if anyone here can give some detail about schedule of 7 hrs(10-5 pm) is there a break in between since 7 hr is a long interval of time.
what's deadline of registration
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-01 1:06 PM (#15869 - in reply to #15862) (#15869) Top



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Dileep Singh - 2014-06-30 11:01 PM

It would be good if this time, TOI can provide certificates to the finalists.
It hurts wwhen after being chosen as a finalist from a city and still have no proof to show.


You can always carry a copy of the newspaper photo and article after you qualified in the regional round :D ...

This was in a lighter note :)
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-01 3:24 PM (#15870 - in reply to #15840) (#15870) Top




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I tried to register ... TOISUDM Ashwin25 is what I sent as the message ... response is invalid keyword request. Anybody facing the same problem ?
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waiting for this........atlast
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give space after Ashwin "Ashwin 25"
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I tried with the space as well. same error message
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ashwinparadkar - 2014-07-01 3:31 PM

I tried with the space as well. same error message


Hi Ashwin. Try the following and send to 58888.

TOISUDM ASHWIN 25

Edited by rvarun 2014-07-01 3:40 PM
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dopuzzle - 2014-07-01 11:09 AMif would be good if anyone here can give some detail about schedule of 7 hrs(10-5 pm) is there a break in between since 7 hr is a long interval of time.what's deadline of registration

Check this: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sudoku.cms

It looks similar to previous years. Basically, the number of people registering would be much more than what can be accommodated in a single group. So there will be multiple preliminary rounds with different groups of people and a few people will be chosen from each of these rounds to proceed to the regional final round which will be held later in the day.

Edited by lenson 2014-07-01 3:42 PM
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ashwinparadkar - 2014-07-01 3:31 PM

I tried with the space as well. same error message


Hi Ashwin. Try the following and send to 58888.

TOISUDM ASHWIN 25


I tried TOISUDM Prasanna23 and got an immediate response. The only possible error I see is the number entered.
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-01 4:28 PM (#15877 - in reply to #15868) (#15877) Top


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dopuzzle - 2014-07-01 11:09 AM

if would be good if anyone here can give some detail about schedule of 7 hrs(10-5 pm) is there a break in between since 7 hr is a long interval of time.
what's deadline of registration


So you sms-ed and got the timing of 10 AM? Typically that makes you an early batch participant, and so yes, you will have an interval. I'd advise you mainly to make sure you give the right contact details in the first round sheet, so that if you do qualify, they'll be able to contact you easily to notify. Also, don't go too far away from the venue of course, so that you can reach back in time for the next round.

The second round is typically longer and then there's the time taken to check and decide the winners, all of this combined is what takes it to 5 and such. If I remember right, in Mumbai, last year we were called for the 2nd round at 2 PM.

All of this information is assuming it is the same format as last year. So don't take any of it as a given unless an organizer confirms it.
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-01 5:21 PM (#15878 - in reply to #15864) (#15878) Top




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It was a good experience to participate in the contest.
Last year, in Round1: One had to solve 8 6*6 sudoku in 15 minutes.
In Round 2: there were 4 classic sudokus and 4 of variant types, 1 each of odd-even, trio, diagonal and alphabet sudoku. And time allotted for the second round was 1hr..but to get selected one had to solve all the sudokus in less than 40mins. Let's see if there will be a change in the format.
I am looking forward for the contest. Best wishes for all the participants. Just enjoy the competition, it will be a great experience.

Edited by Dileep Singh 2014-07-01 5:22 PM
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Dileep Singh - 2014-07-01 5:21 PM

but to get selected one had to solve all the sudokus in less than 40mins.


Not exactly. It was the top 4 participants, regardless of time. In the Mumbai round, the 4th qualifier did not finish the set within the 60 minutes I think. It depends on difficulty. Going by the announcement, I suppose this year its top 3 participants and not top 4 who get selected.
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Ohh..i was assuming on the basis of my last year experience.

I have read the terms and conditions at toi.in/sudoku, they have mentioned in terms and conditions that top3 will be selected in city rounds. But they also have mentioned in the rules that top4 will be selected.
I am confused.
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Dileep Singh - 2014-07-03 7:43 AM

Ohh..i was assuming on the basis of my last year experience.

I have read the terms and conditions at toi.in/sudoku, they have mentioned in terms and conditions that top3 will be selected in city rounds. But they also have mentioned in the rules that top4 will be selected.
I am confused.


Top 3 from each city qualify for national finals.
From the 12 finalists, top 4 will be selected.
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Which one is the toughest among all the different types/variants in Times Sudoku ???
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-03 2:45 PM (#15908 - in reply to #15840) (#15908) Top




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In the toi websit,the format for sms is mentioned as toisud(city)<space>name to 58888...but in the examples mentioned they have typed some extra number after the name...should we mention our age as well then??

Edited by sreejith 2014-07-03 2:46 PM
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Yes

Edited by souviksam 2014-07-03 3:01 PM
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sreejith - 2014-07-03 2:45 PM

In the toi websit,the format for sms is mentioned as toisud(city)name to 58888...but in the examples mentioned they have typed some extra number after the name...should we mention our age as well then??


Yes you have to mention your age also.
SMS TOISUD(city) name age to 58888

Edited by souviksam 2014-07-03 3:04 PM
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souviksam - 2014-07-03 1:10 PM

Which one is the toughest among all the different types/variants in Times Sudoku ???


Any Sudoku variant can be made easy/difficult and also it could depend on personal preferences. Assuming it is similar to last year, the Sudokus will have points assigned to them, which is an estimation of difficulty.
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@administrator : Can I have the password of contest 'Road to London'....
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@Administrator : I need to practice before tomorrow's Delhi's Round...
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shivin garg - 2014-07-04 10:57 AM

@administrator : Can I have the password of contest 'Road to London'....

http://logicmastersindia.com/2014/06S/

As soon as you sign in using your LMI id, the password will be shown.
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Practice Puzzles for Round 1 of Times Sudoku Championship (5th and 6th July at various cities)
http://swaroopg92.blogspot.com/2014/07/practice-puzzles-for-round-1...
Mostly Easy but 1 or 2 are medium difficulty. This is mainly to give you idea about 1st round and its based on previous years experience. Remember in actual contest sudokus might be difficult than whats here. :)
Good luck to all with 1 day to go. :)
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Please provide a landmark for Bangalore event because there are many St. Joseph Colleges in that area.
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what's the date and time for times sudoku championship in delhi????
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venkatesh - 2014-07-04 6:24 PM

what's the date and time for times sudoku championship in delhi????


Hi Venkatesh. The first post of this thread has the details on all rounds. It will be held tomorrow - july 5 in Delhi. Please register for the event via sms.
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All the best to Delhi and Mumbai participants for tomorrows' city round.
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All the best to Delhi and Mumbai participants for today's regional rounds.
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All the best for everyone.
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sanket.saxena - 2014-07-04 4:30 PM
Please provide a landmark for Bangalore event because there are many St. Joseph Colleges in that area.

This one is near Mallya Hospital on Vittal Mallya Road. Kanteerava Stadium is across the road from here.

Edited by lenson 2014-07-05 2:52 AM
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Times Sudoku Championship 2014: Delhi Round
It was a great experience and a tough competition than last year. A huge turn out from Delhi this time too. First round was organised in 4 phases. There were changes in first round this year, 1st round includes 4 classic sudokus and time allotted was 20minutes. But no changes in 2nd round.
With the return of two veteran sudoku solvers, Ritesh Gupta and Sumit Bothra, comeptition had became even tougher this year as compared to last year. It was a great experience to compete with the best sudoku solvers in India. Looking forward for the Mumbai-finals. Congratulations to the winners.
The top 3 are:
1. Sumit Bothra
2. Ritesh Gupta
3. Dileep Singh(myself)

Edited by Dileep Singh 2014-07-06 9:30 AM
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Mumbai top 3: Prasanna, Rohan and Sanket
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rakesh_rai - 2014-07-06 9:35 AM

Mumbai top 3: Prasanna, Rohan and Sanket


Rohan, me and Sanket, for ordering of 1-3
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will we get the detailed score of Bangalore round like last year.
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Bangalore Top 3:
Tejal Phatak
Jayant Ameta
Rajesh Kumar

Rishi was the fastest to finish, but missed out because of 1 wrong cell. He finished in 20 minutes!
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Really sad about Rishi :( His finishing time seems consistent with Rohan's and mine (I took longer to check and submitted at 25 min). Congrats to the top 3. Especially happy for both Sanket and Tejal who fell short twice but made it this year :)
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Congrats to the Chennai Top 3.

1. Jaipal Reddy
2. Kishore Kumar
3. Ravichandran

Edited by rvarun 2014-07-06 3:14 PM
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So today was a satisfying day in terms of how the TSC went for me.I got to know that close to 650 participants were present for the regional round out of which 63 were selected for Round 2.An interesting titbit is that I completed the entire set in ~ 24 mins.When I was into my 2nd minute of checking ,I saw Jaipal turning in the paper and in another 5-10 seconds I saw Ezhil submitting.I had no other choice (given the fact that only 3 would be getting to the finals) but to turn in my paper.But I was never confident that I had got all cells correct in all sudokus.I just made sure that I did not leave any cell empty before turning in the paper and subsequently I hoped against hope that none of the cells went wrong or some careless swap had crept in.

After the final round myself,Ezhil and Jaipal were sitting together waiting for the winners to be announced.When Rakesh came and announced that the 3rd finalist is Ravichandran Sir all 3 of us got a jolt.It just meant one thing :that one of the 3 us were eliminated.In what appeared to be an eternity before the 2nd finalist was announced my heart seemed to skip beats.It was a huge sigh of relief when my name was finally called out .Ezhil had submitted with an error.

So that’s the long and short of it : Jaipal :26 min ,Kishore :27min,Ravichandran :40min(Ashish submitted at 38mins but apparently he had swapped digits in some cells).About the event in general,it was heartening to see so many older people turn up for the event today and regarding the finalists from other city rounds,I am really glad to see some fresh talents coming up in the form of Jayant Ameta and Sanket who have reached the nationals for the first time.This time,I am anticipating that the finals would be even tougher with the return of regulars and veterans in the form of Sumit and Ritesh.

Though it’s disappointing to see Rishi not finishing in the top 3 because of a single error ,I am still glad that he will be accompanying the team to London courtesy of his finish in the Top 10 of Grand Prix!!!!(hopefully things don’t change drastically in the Indian round of World sudoku Grand prix : ))
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kishy72 - 2014-07-06 8:44 PM

...Ashish submitted at 38mins but apparently he had swapped digits in some cells


Venkatachalam V also submitted in 38 minutes with one cell wrong.
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kishy72 - 2014-07-06 8:44 PM

So today was a satisfying day in terms of how the TSC went for me.I got to know that close to 650 participants were present for the regional round out of which 63 were selected for Round 2.An interesting titbit is that I completed the entire set in ~ 24 mins.When I was into my 2nd minute of checking ,I saw Jaipal turning in the paper and in another 5-10 seconds I saw Ezhil submitting.I had no other choice (given the fact that only 3 would be getting to the finals) but to turn in my paper.But I was never confident that I had got all cells correct in all sudokus.I just made sure that I did not leave any cell empty before turning in the paper and subsequently I hoped against hope that none of the cells went wrong or some careless swap had crept in.




Similar here, I finished my round in 17 minutes, but did checking up to 25. While checking I saw Rohan submit. If Sanket had submitted earlier too I'd have probably rushed, but luckily only Rohan was done so I thought I could stick with it and make sure its all fine.
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kishy72 - 2014-07-06 8:44 PM

Though it’s disappointing to see Rishi not finishing in the top 3 because of a single error ,I am still glad that he will be accompanying the team to London courtesy of his finish in the Top 10 of Grand Prix!!!!(hopefully things don’t change drastically in the Indian round of World sudoku Grand prix : ))


Actually considering its best 6 of 7, the results can be quite misleading. He still needs to do well in the last GP to be in the top 10. Lets hope he does :)
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There is no mention of the regional rounds in the Bangalore edition of TOI. Very strange!

The participation from Bangalore was relatively low. We had about 500 participants turn up. It was a good mix of kids, youngsters and elders. Nearly 80 people went through to the second round. In the second round, 11 participants submitted within 45 minutes, out of which 6 were right. Ball-park timings of these 6 (I don't remember the exact numbers, sorry):
Tejal Phatak: 27 minutes
Jayant Ameta: 31 minutes
Rajesh Kumar: 34 minutes
Lenson Andrade: 37 minutes
Kunal Verma: 40 minutes
Vrinda Periwal: 45 minutes
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lenson - 2014-07-07 11:02 AM

There is no mention of the regional rounds in the Bangalore edition of TOI.
I think they will cover it tomorrow.
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Any Idea when will the full results of the Regional rounds coming out? I wanted to know where I stood?
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Same here. My first try at TSC. Want to know where i stand.

Rakesh - You said we would be receiving the results in email by today at the Chennai round right? When would it be updated on this site like last year?
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Lavanya: Yes. Chennai results shall be updated later today.

Edited by rakesh_rai 2014-07-07 12:36 PM
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Whats about the Bangalore results?
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Lenson : The accurate timings are:

Tejal : 22
Jayant : 28
Rajesh : 34
Lenson : 37
Kunal : 38
Vrinda : 41
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Congratulations to all the winners from regional rounds and All the best for the National Finals !!! :)
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Congrats and all the best to the national finalists. :-)
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Times Sudoku Championship - Chennai Results


RankNamePointsSubmission
Time
C1
(Classic)
C2
(Classic)
C3
(Classic)
C4
(Classic)
V1
(Trio)
V2
(Odd Even)
V3
(Alphabet)
V4
(Diagonal)
1M Jaipal Reddy6026886766910
2S Kishore Kumar6027886766910
3K Ravi Chandran6040886766910
4M Hariss6041886766910
5Aniruddh Venkatakrishnan6054886766910
5Lavanya Chandrasekar6054886766910
5Varun R6054886766910
8M Lokesh6059886766910
9Muthukrishnan P M6060886766910
10Manisundaram S V5460886760910
10S Prasad Rao5460886706910
12Pradeep Kumar Surana5351886066910
12R Arun Kumar5351886066910
14R Thejesvini5357886066910
15Priyanka K5360886066910
15Sreejith Srikrishnan5360886066910
17S Rajesh Kumar5260086766910
18Venkatachalam V5139886766010
19Sankar P5146886766010
20Harshita Agarwal5154886766010
21R Karunakaran5160886766010
22Sukanya Sunder4756880066910
23N Srinivas4759886006910
24Sunil4653086706910
25A N Veeresalingam4460886066010
25G Piyali Singh446088670690
25Vinodh Vijayaraghavan4460886066010
28M Ezhilarasi4327086766010
29D Naveen Raj435088606690
30K Gurunathan4353806766010
31C V Sasibarathi436088606690
32R Kumaresan4246880700910
33Ashish Kumar4139880006910
34T A Chandramohan416088676600
35Mathangi3960806006910
35Sridhar S3960806006910
37Balakrishnan Kulathu3856880066010
38Sangeetha Priya S3860886060010
39Dilip Kumar376088600690
39Priya Padmanabhan376088006690
41P Kungumeswaran366080670690
41V Lakshmi366008676090
43S Ganeshmurthi356088076600
44K Ravikumar3260886000010
45Amrutha B316088006090
45Raghavendran S3160006060910
45Sankaranarayanan C3160006006910
45Shireen Dowie316088000690
49Monish3049086006010
50F Niha Tabassum296080006690
50V Naveen296080606090
52Gerard Cardoza286088600600
53B Varalakshmi266008606600
53S Indira266080606600
55K R Jambunathan256088000090
56M Joseph Reddy225488000600
57Ankur Sinha226088600000
58Bushra Khan206008600600
58D Sathish Kumar206080600600
60M Sundara Raman156000000690
61K C Sekaran146080006000
61Vasanthi V146080600000
63Snehalatha Mohandas1060000000010

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Congrats... ALL THE BEST for National Championship.....

gud to c d chennai list... awaiting for the Bangalore list..... since dis is d 1st time i attend 2nd round, wud like to know ver i stay....
bad thing z i got stuck up in classic 3(i guess).... othrs i sloved arud 50mins..... i shud hav been really faster... NEways... vl practice with more sudoku for TIME MANAGEMENT.......

thanks in advance
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Totally Agree!! Time management very important!! I wasted a lot of time checking my solutions Everything was correct anyhow. I should have submitted early :)

Anyway am happy to score 60 in Round 2. This was my first go at TSC. Next year will try to submit early :)
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It was very good to meet, Deb, and Rishi in Bangalore round,

All the best for finalists,
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Hi when is the IB expected for the finals
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Articles in Chennai Times about the Times Sudoku Championship - Chennai round.

http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/Article.aspx?eid=31807&articlexm...

http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/Article.aspx?eid=31807&articlexm...
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nice to had good time in the competition i finished 19th rank wl try better next time, also in toi publicite the alphabhat sudoku & diaganal sudoku periodically sankavisha@yahoo.in


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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-08 12:07 PM (#15995 - in reply to #15840) (#15995) Top




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Hi Sankar. You will have a Classic sudoku in hand. Do convert the given numbers from 1 to 9 to A to I. There you go. You get an equivalent Alphabet sudoku for solving.
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rvarun - 2014-07-08 12:07 PM

Hi Sankar. You will have a Classic sudoku in hand. Do convert the given numbers from 1 to 9 to A to I. There you go. You get an equivalent Alphabet sudoku for solving.


Yes.
Also, for Diagonal Sudoku there are many examples online, both here and on other sites. If you attempt the archived Monthly Tests (link at the top of the page) you'll come across multiple Diagonal Sudokus. There was even one in the recent Road to London contest ( http://logicmastersindia.com/2014/06S/ ).
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Great to see detailed result for Chennai round. Can we have the rankings for Mumbai round too?
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Great to see detailed result for Chennai round. Can we have the rankings for Mumbai round too?


It will take a while. We are a bit busy with planning the National finals right now, so maybe sometime next week. Same goes for other city rankings.
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Do we get the final IB in terms of type of puzzles by each round??
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Best of Luck to all Finalists for Times Sudoku Championship.
:) :)
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All the best for the finalists of this year's Championship..
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Finally back home. The first thing I want to say is, I am really sorry to the participants who wanted to talk to me (and there were some I wanted to talk to as well :) ) but couldn't since we were pulled away so soon after the finals got done for that photo-shoot thing. We get to meet under one roof just once a year and I wasn't really a fan of cutting that time short. But what happens, happens I guess.

Congrats to the other 3 winners. The Sudokus were really fun. I loved the Fortress :)
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Congratulations Prasanna, Rishi, Rohan and Sumit! :D
Do India proud!
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Sagar.Ramachandran - 2014-07-13 11:12 PM

Congratulations Prasanna, Rishi, Rohan and Sumit! :D Do India proud!


Rishi?
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Sagar.Ramachandran - 2014-07-13 11:12 PM

Congratulations Prasanna, Rishi, Rohan and Sumit! :D Do India proud!


Rishi?


Surprise wildcard.
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Congrats Prasanna, Rohan, Rishi and Sumit. All the Best for the World Championships. Can we have the Points table of the National Finals similar to last year.

Edited by rvarun 2014-07-14 12:05 PM
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Sagar.Ramachandran - 2014-07-13 11:12 PMCongratulations Prasanna, Rishi, Rohan and Sumit! :D Do India proud!
Rishi?
Surprise wildcard.
On what basis was this wildcard given? And why were these parameters, or even the possibility of wild-cards being given not announced up-front before the regional rounds?Rishi is someone who can very comfortably make the team 9 times out of 10. But are the rules same for everyone?
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Sagar.Ramachandran - 2014-07-13 11:12 PMCongratulations Prasanna, Rishi, Rohan and Sumit! :D Do India proud!
Rishi?
Surprise wildcard.
On what basis was this wildcard given? And why were these parameters, or even the possibility of wild-cards being given not announced up-front before the regional rounds?Rishi is someone who can very comfortably make the team 9 times out of 10. But are the rules same for everyone?


I would assume the basis is that he is last year's champion in the same tournament. I don't know anything more about it, but apart from the "not announced up-front" part, it seems a solid reason.
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lenson - 2014-07-14 11:51 AM

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Sagar.Ramachandran - 2014-07-13 11:12 PMCongratulations Prasanna, Rishi, Rohan and Sumit! :D Do India proud!
Rishi?
Surprise wildcard.
On what basis was this wildcard given? And why were these parameters, or even the possibility of wild-cards being given not announced up-front before the regional rounds?Rishi is someone who can very comfortably make the team 9 times out of 10. But are the rules same for everyone?


I came to know that Rishi would be competing only when I reached TOI office yesterday's morning.I don't know if other participants had first hand information about this.Not that knowing about the same prior to the event would have helped or affected my solve in any way.My initial impression after seeing him was that he had arrived to assist Amit in organizing.Most likely the decision to include him must have been a last minute one .After getting to know that he would be competing, I knew that this was going to be rat race once again like last year with only the fourth spot up for grabs.

From what I understand ,Rishi was given a wild card entry for having finished first in the Indian Sudoku Championship 2014 which was what we thought would be the way to select the team for the WSC.No one had any clue on whether the TSC would eventually happen or not.When it did happen and Rishi did not qualify it must have put the organizers in a spot of bother.I got to know from Prasanna that the top 4 from ISC and the four invited for the Indian B Team had already booked tickets and their visas are in the final stage of approval.You can't blame them for booking in advance because like I said no one had a clue about whether TSC would be there or not.

Considering the above and keeping in mind the best interests of the Indian Team,I think the decision to give him a wild card is fair enough.Imagine this coming from someone who missed the team by finishing 5th this year too, just because Rishi found a spot in the top four.I have begun to hate the number 5 nowadays...TSC 2013 :5th,ISC 2014 :5th,TSC 2014 :5th.(Perhaps a bit more consistent than where I would want it ). How unlucky I must be !.. .I can't express how sickening it was yesterday (for finishing 5th again).Coming back to the issue at hand, considering that Rishi has been given a wildcard why not the other 2 from top 3 of ISC be given a wild card too?.Rohan had already qualified through TSC so no probs on that part.The only person who could have staked his claim for getting a wild Card entry is Gaurav for finishing 3rd in ISC but at the same time I understand that he is not here in India .Most probably he would be included in the Indian B Team instead of A Team.

---Kishore---
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kishy72 - 2014-07-14 1:02 PM

I have begun to hate the number 5 nowadays...TSC 2013 :5th,ISC 2014 :5th,TSC 2014 :5th.(Perhaps a bit more consistent than where I would want it ). How unlucky I must be !.. .I can't express how sickening it was yesterday (for finishing 5th again).

---Kishore---


Your run is pretty similar to Swaroop's run in IPCs. In 2011 he would've been 3rd without mistakes, if I remember right, and both 2012 and 2013 he was 5th. He's on the Puzzle team this year, so hopefully that happens for you too (with the Sudoku team) sometime soon :)
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lenson - 2014-07-14 11:51 AM

On what basis was this wildcard given? And why were these parameters, or even the possibility of wild-cards being given not announced up-front before the regional rounds?Rishi is someone who can very comfortably make the team 9 times out of 10. But are the rules same for everyone?


It was as much a surprise for me as any one. Only Amit or Deb can answer the reasoning behind it. But this was a Times of India competition and not an LMI so I am assuming Amit and all needed the buy in from TOI too before a decision was made.

Kishore, you are in terrific form and all I can say is that looking at the way you are going, the team india spot is not far away.
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The rules are indeed common for all and that is why Rishi lost in the Bangalore round because of a single incorrect digit.

The eventual aim of the competition is to select the best team to represent India at the World Championships and it is a limitation of the competition format which penalizes a participant for making a simple error.

I will not write much about how good a player Rishi is, but it is amply evident from the fact that many of his competitors in the finals also asked me to explore the option of having him as a wild card entry in the finals. The decision was vindicated by the results which clearly show that Prasanna, Rishi and Rohan are way ahead of the rest.

But there is one aspect with which I will have to agree, which is that it would have been appropriate to announce this at the start of the event. We will take that as a learning for future years.

In the end I will close of with saying that it is good to see that TOI was on the same page with us in rewarding someone who has shown consistently good performance in various competitions throughout the year.
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Sorry, this is still very troubling. Most of the serious participants know already that 2 - 3 people are a shoo-in for the Sudoku and Puzzle teams, with the rest fighting for the 1-2 remaining slots. The stake is higher for the Sudoku team (vs the Puzzle team) from the past few years since the Sudoku team participants get most of their World Championship expenses covered.

If we are going to give the top 2-3 folk more than one chance of making it to the main team because of their caliber, why even go through the trouble of making them compete. We could just as well pick all of them in advance, and have everyone else compete for the 1-2 remaining slots.
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I don't see why this is any more troubling than the 2013 ruling which dismissed Gaurav, Sumit and Rakesh from competition, which no one raised much issue over. Ideally, the 3 of them should've at least been told about this before WSC 2012, and not just before TSC 2013. That was much more harsh, concerning 2 more people at the core of the issue, and not really making that much sense competitively either.

I get that two wrongs don't make a right, and Amit himself has agreed that it is not ideal to name a wildcard so late in the competition. My only point is, out of the two decisions, at least this one is (at least proven by Rishi's better performance in the more elaborately structured National Finals which would definitely be closer to a WSC setting) better for the Indian team, and at least it has some grounds in logic as opposed to the top 25 rule.

But I see your point and I hope wildcards (if any) are discussed and confirmed pre-tournament for 2015.
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Looks like what I wrote could be interpreted the wrong way. Let me put it another way. Allowing the top 2-3 to make mistakes pulls the bar for accuracy lower on them relative to the rest of the people. This is a huge huge deal in live competition, and is great enough advantage for them to be able to qualify ahead of the rest even IF everything else was the same (skills, speed, etc.). Being faster than the rest makes it a cake-walk. So we should either set the same bar for everyone to move from the regional rounds to the national rounds, or give these 2-3 a direct pass to the nationals, since they are going to be taken there anyway. Is my line of thought clearer?
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Lenson I agree with what you are saying and we will explore the option of giving a few pre-decided participants a bye into the national finals next year.
It will also give an opportunity for more people to compete in the national finals.

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yes, I do agree with Amit and Lenson that from the next year we need to improve on process. Moreover giving Rishi wild card entry is in best interests of Team India and lets not debate on this.
Instead we can debate on improving the process. We have seen in last few years that some of best players not qualifying for national finals due to some minor mistakes in regional rounds. I suggest the following for the next year onward.
1. Option of pre decided participants a bye in national rounds (This may be done on basis of rank in ISC with ISC being conducted before TSC).
2. In case Times does not agree with wild card entry then making the regional round in such a way that making minor mistakes by best player does not completely rule out player from finals e.g. making little tough puzzles for regional final round, so that only few best players are just able to complete these puzzles in given time.

Please do suggest something more for improving this process.
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@ Rajesh

The second point that you mentioned seems easier than what it actually is.
Since we extend the event to 1000s of people we need to make it accessible to everyone.
So we need to balance the fact that while we are trying to select the best team we also aim to popularize sudoku by letting more people explore solving the puzzles.

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Can we have the final points round wise of the National Finals similar to last year.. Just a curiosity..

Edited by rvarun 2014-07-14 6:30 PM
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This is as surprising to me as for others, but India Sudoku team need guy of Rishi caliber. Debating on this point further according to me is unfair to Rishi and to India Sudoku team.

From next year onwards why not give wild card entries to all the 4 national champions of only last year if they fit into TOI Sudoku championship criterion.
Rest All should go through normal process without any exception.
@Amit
Agree with you, if there are tough puzzles the purpose to take Sudoku to masses and popularize may get hit.
May be why not introduced one more round of top 10-15 participants after 2nd round with some tricky puzzles.

Edited by gaurav.kjain 2014-07-14 7:45 PM
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@ Gaurav
We also work under some time constraints with regards to the venue to finish the event on time, which prevents us from having additional rounds.

Do keep posting your ideas coming in, so that we can improve the event even further in subsequent years.
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amitsowani - 2014-07-14 8:04 PM

@ Gaurav
We also work under some time constraints with regards to the venue to finish the event on time, which prevents us from having additional rounds.

Do keep posting your ideas coming in, so that we can improve the event even further in subsequent years.


One suggestion I have which can be explored and seems to be the best of both worlds (assuming the organizers are fine with providing a bit more solving content) is to simply fill the 60 minute round with more easy Sudokus. The proportion of points with the top rankers/newcomers will probably still remain the same but
1. It'll be more difficult for everyone to finish (stressing on the word finish, as it still won't be difficult to solve). This means its not as dependent on bonus, and also means that one mistake might not cause as much of a hit.
2. There'll be even more for people to solve and enjoy. I would assume an enthusiast would like to fill their hour with solving when the competition is basically just a one-time-a-year opportunity.
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I second Prasanna's thoughts of providing more puzzles, so that best solver just solves in time. It will be win-win situation for both audience as well as organizers as both the objectives will be met.

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gaurav.kjain - 2014-07-14 7:37 PM

This is as surprising to me as for others, but India Sudoku team need guy of Rishi caliber. Debating on this point further according to me is unfair to Rishi and to India Sudoku team.

From next year onwards why not give wild card entries to all the 4 national champions of only last year if they fit into TOI Sudoku championship criterion.
Rest All should go through normal process without any exception.
@Amit
Agree with you, if there are tough puzzles the purpose to take Sudoku to masses and popularize may get hit.
May be why not introduced one more round of top 10-15 participants after 2nd round with some tricky puzzles.


I totally agree with Gaurav............
Firstly there is no point discussing on the wildcard of Rishi.... he has proved it by coming second in the tournament and we cant have a better Indian team atleast without Prassanna, Rohan and Rishi as none of us come near to these guys in any of these tournaments....take it regular LMI contests or World sudoku GP or any other contest.

Giving wild card for finals to the last years team is a very good idea and should be implemented if TOI agrees. This will give help to Amit and Deb also in organising the TOI championships as they will have 4 more people to help them in conduct the show.


All the best Team India...........I am sure of TOP 3 spot this year.
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-14 9:58 PM (#16095 - in reply to #16092) (#16095) Top



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@Prasanna/ Rajesh

Do remember the problem of the scale.
More puzzles means more prints with the expectation that a large percentage of those will remain unsolved.

The main issue is the large rift between the top few solvers and the wider audience.
We can easily balance time so that no one completes or only the topper completes, but that would mean either too many puzzles or too less time.


I was wondering if we can design a mechanism in which we can check the paper instantly (say within 2 mins) and return it back if there is an error. One immediate drawback is the heavy requirement and dependence on volunteers.

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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-14 10:46 PM (#16098 - in reply to #16095) (#16098) Top



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amitsowani - 2014-07-14 9:58 PM

@Prasanna/ Rajesh

Do remember the problem of the scale.
More puzzles means more prints with the expectation that a large percentage of those will remain unsolved.

The main issue is the large rift between the top few solvers and the wider audience.
We can easily balance time so that no one completes or only the topper completes, but that would mean either too many puzzles or too less time.


I was wondering if we can design a mechanism in which we can check the paper instantly (say within 2 mins) and return it back if there is an error. One immediate drawback is the heavy requirement and dependence on volunteers.



If I may add my two cents here, The present format was designed with the purpose to give more and more people the chance to solve sudokus without having to give up on some due to time constraints. The reason for this was to pull people towards solving all the puzzles and enjoy them. Reducing time or increasing difficulty would simply diminish the common peoples enthusiasm greatly which will affect the participation in the long run.

Yesterday in Mumbai Prasanna, Rohan and I were discussing on this and we all felt that the top 4 of previous year should be given a bye to the finals. TOI need not take care of their travel expenses. This in turn ensures that places open up for others in the regional round and more and more newer people will be seen qualifying for the finals, which is one of TOI intents as well.

But this is obviously dependant on TOI's agreement too.

Rishi
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-15 7:48 AM (#16106 - in reply to #15840) (#16106) Top




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Upsets are more common in sports. We have seen many greats exists in the first round of a tennis grand slams. Once a set of rules are framed, altering the same in the middle of an event is not in the true spirit.
I agree with the Rishis comment that top four can be given a bye from the regional rounds and more can be accommodated to the finals. Try the same to select the puzzle team also. l
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-15 8:34 AM (#16107 - in reply to #15840) (#16107) Top




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I think that there are two targets to be achieved by organising these events.
1. To select the best team to represent India at WSC.
2. To popularise sudoku in public domain, so that there will be a continuous generation of new talents in sudoku solving by increasing the penetration of sudoku to aam junta.

For this, it would be better, if Top 4/5 solvers will be allowed directly to the finals (on the basis of their last year performances in ISC/TSC/WSC). And then organise TSC at regional level, selecting top4/5 finalists from each city. There are many solvers among aam junta who are consistently in top10 in their respective regional rounds for last 2-3years. It is disheartening for them to not get selected despite of their sincere efforts.

It is in the interest of game that more and more people participate with a thing in their mind that they can win.
Participating with the veterans at regional rounds is not good for the enthusiasm of aam junta, as they know that there is no chance for them to get selected.

Edited by Dileep Singh 2014-07-15 8:35 AM
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-15 11:03 AM (#16109 - in reply to #15840) (#16109) Top




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I feel it is a pretty not so good article. They could have covered the event in detail rather than just a snippet given. :-(
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I think the article is nice. It is crisp, and it grabs eyeballs as it is posted on the front page. Salman only looks mildly interested in the Sudoku, and more interested in modeling the Dixy Scott banian. ;-)
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Here are the final standings from the TSC finals




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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-15 1:55 PM (#16113 - in reply to #16107) (#16113) Top




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I agree with Dileep... Knowing that its very hard to get into the top 3/4 of the regional round itself and that even if you are 5th or 6th it is not something that will get appreciated, its heart-breaking...

I would suggest that the organisers should acknowledge the hard-work/performance of ,say, atleast the top 10/15 participants out of the huge lot of around 1000-1200 people who participate in the regional rounds. People come to participate in the event from far-off places. I know in Delhi we had people coming-in from Chandigarh, Amritsar etc. which is like 5-7 hrs drive from Delhi.

Instead of 1 more round of Top 10/15 participants, simply acknowledging their effort, by giving away ceritifcates to them or for that matter a token of appreciation, will encourage them to participate next time and try to come in the Top 10/15 atleast if not in Top 3/4...

To be called as a 'TOP PERFORMER' in itself could be very encouraging...
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-15 4:02 PM (#16115 - in reply to #16109) (#16115) Top


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rvarun - 2014-07-15 11:03 AM

I feel it is a pretty not so good article. They could have covered the event in detail rather than just a snippet given. :-(


Would've liked a scorecard (well of course I would) and a more accurate timeline of the finals (I'm pretty sure 10 AM to 3 PM across 4 rounds with breaks in between isn't accurately described by "2 hour session"). I like the idea of having a celebrity in there to draw eyeballs but after that the article should have the content to keep them interested, and I just don't think this article achieves that.

But focusing on the positives, I must say that the 4 rounds were a lot of fun. The Fortress of the 3rd round was easily my favorite but there were some nice stuff worked into the rest too. The first 6x6 Arrow from the Sprint round reminded me of one of my own :) The 4th round with the Samurai was fun at the start but probably tinted by the fact that I had to erase and redo 3 of the grids before submitting. Rohan actually submitted before me but he made a mistake, so that flatters my score a little.
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-15 5:38 PM (#16116 - in reply to #15840) (#16116) Top


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Could we have the sudokus from the finals?
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-15 10:28 PM (#16122 - in reply to #16116) (#16122) Top



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The sudokus from TSC are copyrighted and the property of TOI, so unfortunately they cannot be shared.
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-16 9:40 PM (#16129 - in reply to #15840) (#16129) Top




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The 5 point formula:

1. 5 players from each city in the regional round
2. Same difficulty level to provide awareness and increase enthusiasm amongst the masses
3. WSC difficulty-level Nationals to screen the top 5
4. Wild card entries to Prasanna, Rishi and Rohan is a must, presently we know who the first 3 will be. Its like playing chess against a 3000 rated computer. You can't win, so keep them OUT !! :)
5. Request Times to provide full sponsorship to TOP 8, wild card entries and top 5 from nationals
(I know it's easily suggested but in a long term [2 years+] time-scale, we can request this in exchange for 3 page weekly puzzle section in the Times newspaper for the metropolitan cities), I bet this will induce more people to read ToI.
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ConfigurationsBeauty - 2014-07-16 9:40 PM

5. Request Times to provide full sponsorship to TOP 8, wild card entries and top 5 from nationals


5th-8th will be on Team B which is unofficial, and Times/other sponsors might not be that interested in it. A lot of countries use their Team B in their own way in which they feel it is most productive.

Possibility 1: Load it up with more good players - all well and good. But will a sponsor like publicizing an unofficial team? A next level to this is, what if even one member of the B team outperforms members of the A team? That is fine and well from a competitive standpoint of course, but if both teams are publicized, in the eyes of the public it is an open fact that the Nationals didn't select the best team. That doesn't seem like a big negative to us but to sponsors, they definitely wouldn't want to publicize such a fact.

Possibility 2: Try to select newer solvers who might benefit from the experience - Again, great from our perspective. In the long term, this means more talent gets the experience of a WSC and improves (I mostly wouldn't have improved to this level if I hadn't gotten a bit lucky with better solvers dropping out of the team in 2011, so I value the WSC experience a lot). But again, we do not have a good enough structure currently for a sponsor to think of the long term benefits of a team. There is no short term gain here, and it is highly difficult to convince folks not into puzzling that it is not just a fad that will die out.

Possibility 3: Send a junior team (U-18 I guess, because that's the bar set by the WPF for prize categorization) - this is the only one I see sponsors interested in. Many schools will be interested in funding a competition which selects a junior team, and there is short term gain AND possibility of long term success too. It even seems great from our perspective, since it forwards the future of puzzles in India.

As for your other points, instead of 5 winners per city, I'd prefer it expanded to more cities. But Times already decreased the per-city winners to 3 from 4 last year, so they seem to be going in the other direction, and I think it might be really hard to convince them to go up to 5, unless we explore possibility of some players bearing their own expenses (assuming that's why they decreased it, and not some other reason).

But you add to the tally of people who want a wildcard for a few best players, which seems pretty unanimous at this point.
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-18 6:07 AM (#16133 - in reply to #15840) (#16133) Top


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Times Sudoku Championship - Mumbai Results


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1Rohan Rao6020886766910
2Prasanna Seshadri6025886766910
3Sanket Khanwalkar6031886766910
4Utkaarsh Somaiya6032886766910
5Brendan Mathias6037886766910
6Jaykumar Patel6038886766910
6Meghna Shetty6038886766910
8Prabha Doshi6040886766910
8Saumil Gada6040886766910
8Rajesh Baniya6040886766910
11Arwa Poonawala6046886766910
12Mitsy Dsouza6049886766910
13Ravi Rana6050886766910
14Ashvni Narayanan6052886766910
14Steven Rosario6052886766910
16Bhavna Chohan6053886766910
17Mridu Manocha6054886766910
17Madhavi Maynil6054886766910
19P. R. Alamelumangai6055886766910
20Mehul Chheda6056886766910
21Harshini Desai6058886766910
21Anil Thakur6058886766910
21Mugdha Agrawal6058886766910
24Kaustubh Bendre6059886766910
25Madhur Singhal60886766910
25Geeta Hinduja60886766910
27Stephy Verghese5488676910
27Rakes Kothari5488676910
27Udit Kapoor5488676910
27Rakesh Dhawan5488676910
27Sanjay Bijlani5488676910
32Samir Modi5388666910
32Sagar Ravrane5388666910
32Amit Nigam5388666910
32Sandesh Manjrekar5388666910
36Ragini Agrawal5286766910
37Ayush Shukla508867669
38Pulin Desai488867910
38Hema Mehta488867910
38A. T. Jadhav488867910
38Gitika Shah488876910
42Swarupa Bhagwat478866910
42Vineeta Nakhe478866910
42Manoja Naidu478866910
42Kasturi Bhave478866910
46Priyanka Kardekar458666910
46Nidhi Gandhi458666910
46Hitansh Shah458666910
46Prasad Shah458666910
46Chinmay Thakare458867610
51Unmesh Dahake448866610
52Shrutika Kawa43886669
53Vidula Worlikar42867669
54Shweta Jain41886910
55Yashada Nimkar39866910
56Geetanjali Singh3888679
56Neeta Vahia3888679
58Indira Srinivasan3788669
58Rahul Sharma3788669
58Pradip Ambre3788669
61Navin Warde3588676
61Pooja Sharma3586669
61Krishna Iyer3588676
64Roshan Shinde318869
65Bhavya Singh308769
66Achala Desai298876
66Shashi Menon298867
68Archana Ghangrekar248610
69Mohammad Chasmawala23869
69R. D. Dusane23869
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-18 6:46 AM (#16134 - in reply to #15840) (#16134) Top




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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-18 10:54 AM (#16135 - in reply to #15840) (#16135) Top




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Hi. Can we have the scores of each city as hyperlinks with all details regarding TSC 2014 similar to the one we had in TSC 2013.
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-18 2:56 PM (#16137 - in reply to #15840) (#16137) Top




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waiting for Delhi Regional Round results.. :)
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-18 3:43 PM (#16138 - in reply to #16137) (#16138) Top



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waiting for Delhi Regional Round results.. :)
That is due from my side. I'm still recovering from headache caused after checking Sagar's Alphabet Sudoku :)

I expect to upload Delhi results by tomorrow evening.
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-18 5:07 PM (#16140 - in reply to #15840) (#16140) Top




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hahahaha... I know he screwed it.. No problem Deb.. Take your time...
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1Sumit Bothra6037:51886766910
2Ritesh Gupta6033:08886766910
3Dileep Singh6029:178867669104
4Poonam Gandhi6028:39886766910
5Shivin Garg6025:178867669105
6Rajesh Aggarwal6024:4688676691034
7Himani Shah6023:578867669103
8Sunil Singhal6023:568867669107
9Falak Pahwa6021:48886766910
10Prakhar Gupta6021:09886766910
11Angad Singh6021:088867669108
12Sagar Ramachndran6020:318867669101
13Hitesh Gupta6020:11886766910
14Arjun Jolly6019:258867669106
15Ravi Kant Jain6017:60886766910
16T. Sujaya6013:58886766910
17Akash Verma6013:408867669109
18Arun Gaur6010:2188676691010
19Jitendra Kr Sharma60886766910
20Lakshmi Samudrala5411:208876691056
20Abhinav Jain5410:1088766910
20Neha Yadav5409:3788766910
20Sunila Chanana5404:568867691024
20Rajat Mittal5488766910
20Avneet Singh Nanda548876691038
26Ashish Jain5309:5088666910
26Abhiram5308:0688666910
26Dhruv Bakhshi5306:5088666910
26H. P. Singh5388666910
26Deepanshu K Bhatia5388666910
26Ashutosh Venkatesh Prasad5388666910
26Ritesh Aggarwal5388666910
26Rupanshi Taneja5388666910
26O P Narang538866691034
26Alok Mittal5388666910
26Himanshu Mittal5388666910
37Jyotsna Gupta5286766910
38Sumit Garg5188676610
38Kapil Rijhwani5188676610
40Dinesh Jaiswal5001:408867669
40Aseem Goyal508867669
40Deviani Khanna50886766947
43T Ravi Kumar488876910
44Devishi Kesar4602:248676910
45Himanshi Gupta458666910
45Nikita Bansal458666910
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48Saurav Moondra448866610
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50Girish Verma43867661027
50Dhirendra Kumar Gupta43886669
50Seema Nagpal43886669
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56Ashish Kumar38886610
56Rahat Singhla3888679
58Poonam Goel3788669
59Prabodh Chandra3612:3187669
59Anoop Kohli3686769
59Nishu Pushkar368676931
62Ajay Jain3586669
63Sanjeev Lomesh3488666
64c. Rajyalakhsmi3386910
65Komal318869
66Nirmit Gupta2700:58867612
67Sahil Aggarwal256910
67Amit Kumar25889
69Dev Jyoti Purohit23869
70Surbhi Newar1920:48910
71Saqib Javed1569
72Arjun Kataria809:508
72Neha Verma88


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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-18 8:23 PM (#16142 - in reply to #15840) (#16142) Top




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when will Bangalore results be published?
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-19 4:34 AM (#16148 - in reply to #15840) (#16148) Top




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I'm really sorry for that Deb.
The alphabet sudoku messed up my entire finals :/
The time spent in cutting everything and then re-solving a grid in which you couldn't make out anything was the difference between a top 3 finish and losing.
I easily wasted 10 minutes on it and looking at the times, that could've ensured me a top 3 position.
But anyway, that is just motivation to come back stronger next year (And to maybe solve the alphabet sudoku with a pencil rather than a pen :P)
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-19 5:24 PM (#16150 - in reply to #15840) (#16150) Top




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When will Bangalore results be announced? Waiting to figure out what I scored...
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-19 10:53 PM (#16152 - in reply to #15840) (#16152) Top


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1Tejal Phatak6036:57886766910
2Jayant Ameta6032:40886766910
3Rajesh Kumar6025:458867669104
4Lenson Andrade6022:5488676691010
5Kunal Verma6021:368867669109
6Vrinda Periwal6019:098867669107
7Panthini Pandit6013:41886766910
8Sudhanshu Mittal6011:18886766910
9Dr Sukhen Shetty6010:46886766910
10Rama Shankar6008:49886766910
11Ankitha Bharadwaj6005:4588676691040
12Venugopal Maddula6004:49886766910
13Nivedha Sivakumar6003:09886766910
14Surya Maurya6000:5188676691012
15Vineeth V5311:0088666910
15Shital Shah538866691036
15Gouri Prakash5388666910
15Anil Asrani538866691040
15Girish G5388666910
15Sourav Goel5388666910
15Sony Boopathi5388666910
15Sapna Dube5388666910
23Rishi Puri5240:0786766910
23Gaurav Jain5232:12867669106
23Nikita Kayal5218:538676691027
23Pankaj Agrawal5201:108676691040
23Chethan Harajchand Ostwal5286766910
28D Ravi508867669
28Santosh Sharma508867669
28Mala Narayanswamy508867669
31S Siva Kumar488867910
32Vidhya R478866910
32T. H. Arvind478866910
34Madhavi Sardeshpande468676910
34Vani Ramesh468676910
36Sanket Saxena458666910
36Mukil Vannan45866691065
36Sindhura Rao458666910
36Lucky Surana458666910
36Rohith M Aimreya458666910
36Manish Garodia458666910
36Krishnamurthy T S458867610
36Kshama Dwarakanath458666910
36Manasha Prabhu H458666910
45Deepika Moningi4429:298867693
45Joseph N A44676691065
45Vinod S44886769
45M D Aurangzeb446766910
49Harmeet singh4217:458676691
49Tulika Srimal42867669
51Renugopal Shetty41886910
51S D'sa41886766
51S Siddharth41886766
54Shailaja M V40867910
55Sparsha Nagaraj39866910
55Vinay D C39866910
57S Thejas3808:22886610
57E Gowtham38676910
57Anu38886610
60Sailesh Lama3586669
60R Shankar3586669
60P Mohan Prashanth3588910
60Jaya Lakhani3586669
60Sejal Lobo3586669
65G. Brindhaa3488666
65Akhila N348866684
67Manojkumar R Popat298669
67Ankit Jain298669
67Madhura Divakar298669
67Srinivasn D298669
67S Sashi298669
67Ankitha Bhaskara298669
73Elveera Carmina D'sa288866
73Raja S Krishnaswamy288866
73Gorishankar Gupta J286769
76Shobhana Ravindran276669
76Lalitha Seetharaman278676
78Subashri Sivakumar25889
79Sai Keerthana N A248610
79Dr Shashidhar S Bilagi248610
81Priti Bubna23869
82P Chellapillai22886
82Usha Devi Sharma22679
84V Gurunath20866
85Dr Gayathri Devi S19676
86Anushri1486
86Naba Magrabi1486
86Harish Shroff1486
89T. S. Kumar611:126
89Hari Ram K609:156
89Nagashree K R600:406
89Jaara Venkatesh Kumar66
89Shravanth N R66


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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-22 11:50 PM (#16166 - in reply to #16135) (#16166) Top


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rvarun - 2014-07-18 10:54 AM

Hi. Can we have the scores of each city as hyperlinks with all details regarding TSC 2014 similar to the one we had in TSC 2013.


Done.

Link : http://logicmastersindia.com/2014/TSC/