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Country : India | Puzlifouk - 2014-04-09 10:33 PM
Hi. Another question: For optimization problems, I guess you can without penalty propose a first solution, then return it to improve, right?
Yes. There is no penalty.
Your final submission for each puzzle will be considered for scoring. |
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sduran
Posts: 7
Country : Turkey | sduran posted @ 2014-04-10 1:02 AM according to diayajilin rules;
1-digit in a cell shows total number of black cells on its both diagonals
2-or shows total number of black cells on its any diagonals
for example;
digit 2 in a cell and there is 2 black cells on any of its diagonal and there is one black cell on its other diagonal. that is satisfied the rule?
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kiwijam
Posts: 187
Country : New Zealand | kiwijam posted @ 2014-04-10 2:49 AM sduran - 2014-04-10 8:02 AM
according to diayajilin rules;
1-digit in a cell shows total number of black cells on its both diagonals
2-or shows total number of black cells on its any diagonals
for example;
digit 2 in a cell and there is 2 black cells on any of its diagonal and there is one black cell on its other diagonal. that is satisfied the rule?
In Diayajilin, if there is a digit "2" in a cell then this is the total of all black cells in both diagonals, added together.
i.e.
there is 1 black in NW-SE diagonal and 1 black in NE-SW diagonal
OR
there is 2 blacks in NW-SE diagonal and 0 blacks in NE-SW diagonal
OR
there is 0 blacks in NW-SE diagonal and 2 blacks in NE-SW diagonal
(but you can NOT have 2 blacks in NW-SE diagonal and 1 black in NE-SW diagonal )
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devarajand
Posts: 114
Country : India | In my line if there is a no 2 is it necessary to have the length of lines equal to 2 on both sides or on side is enough. |
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swaroop2011
Posts: 668
Country : India | both sides its necessary
devarajand - 2014-04-10 6:21 AM
In my line if there is a no 2 is it necessary to have the length of lines equal to 2 on both sides or on side is enough.
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Puzlifouk
Posts: 67
Country : France | Hi.
For 'Roman OX', I thought it was possible to use 'X' AND 'O' inside the grid, but the submission page specifies to use only 'X' and '-' ? |
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Country : India | Puzlifouk - 2014-04-10 10:24 AM
Hi.
For 'Roman OX', I thought it was possible to use 'X' AND 'O' inside the grid, but the submission page specifies to use only 'X' and '-' ? Fixed. Your submission was already accepted nevertheless. |
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sduran
Posts: 7
Country : Turkey | sduran posted @ 2014-04-10 9:24 PM For the puzzle 10;
I cannot figure out by equal dimension of figure and grid cells on the given example.
Could you explain pls.
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kiwijam
Posts: 187
Country : New Zealand | kiwijam posted @ 2014-04-11 2:44 AM sduran - 2014-04-11 4:24 AM
For the puzzle 10;
I cannot figure out by equal dimension of figure and grid cells on the given example.
Could you explain pls.
It means that the shapes must cover grid cells exactly. e.g. You cannot place the 1x1 shape to cover half of one grid cell and half of another grid cell. |
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Grizix
Posts: 30
Country : France | Grizix posted @ 2014-04-11 4:27 AM Another question, about Battleships with Line :
Does the maximum line length have to exist or is it just a maximum ?
In other words, for a row with a 2, do we need to have at least one line of length 2 or only 1 length lines is ok ? |
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greenhorn
Posts: 164
Country : Slovakia | Grizix - 2014-04-11 4:27 AM
Another question, about Battleships with Line :
Does the maximum line length have to exist or is it just a maximum ?
In other words, for a row with a 2, do we need to have at least one line of length 2 or only 1 length lines is ok ?
It is needed to have such a lenght. |
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Administrator
Country : India | Please check your submissions carefully before the contest endsBecause there is no manual override in this contest.
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Puzlifouk
Posts: 67
Country : France | Hello,
I really enjoyed this contest, with dense and varied problems. As a beginner, I always lack of time to look for problems in the usual competitions. This time, I only missed a little time to improve my optimizations ...
By the way, when can we expect to have the final results? |
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debmohanty
Country : India | Puzlifouk - 2014-04-13 3:05 PM
Hello,
I really enjoyed this contest, with dense and varied problems. As a beginner, I always lack of time to look for problems in the usual competitions. This time, I only missed a little time to improve my optimizations ...
By the way, when can we expect to have the final results?
We still are working on the optimizers (to check correctness of submission ). Riad is going to solve all of them soon.
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Administrator
Country : India | Optimizers SubmissionsLike previous year, we have created a pdf with submissions to all optimizer puzzles.
Click here to download.
Please note that Riad has not checked the correctness of the submissions yet. (So you probably can help him if you point out any mistakes in the pdf )
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chaotic_iak
Posts: 241
Country : Indonesia | I like how there are essentially only six distinct submissions among those in Roman OX with score less than 200.
The 26x13 was amazing. I tried something similar but couldn't get 6 strands to run zigzagging like that because I ran out of minoes. But I tried it on 26x12; I should have tried 26x13 indeed. My first submission was a 26x8 with a T-tetromino at D1-E1-F1-E2, a monomino at A26, and a L-trimino at G26-H25-H26; something like the 26x8 on the booklet but with less minoes used. And obviously it can be extended at will, so a good thing there's that 26x26 limitation, too. (My submission is different, improved from the above.)
Meanwhile, time to guess the author! |
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Semax
Posts: 10
Country : Germany | Semax posted @ 2014-04-13 6:28 PM Mine is the second one, 13x23. I could not place the last piece to make the rectangle longer, but even if I could have, the 13x26 would still be so much better. I just didn't think of putting the pieces directly at the left border...
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forcolin
Posts: 172
Country : ITALY | and I am the third with 25*11. did try the 6 loops but could not figure it out.
Sebastian was very good. The top solution is amazing, the idea of leaving out the trimino to respect the parity is fantastic.
At first glance it seems to me that the first two solutions of the arrows are wrong as they do not respect the rule that white cells cannot share an edge. Which may reshuffle substantially the leaderboard for the top positions......
As usual, Riad has pulled out from his hat a set of puzzles of fantastic quality. The astronomer is in my opinion the best puzzle. of the optimizers I like the Pentomino, it has so many possible strategies for getting the extra step. Thanks to Riad and the other organizers.
Edited by forcolin 2014-04-13 7:24 PM
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debmohanty
Country : India | chaotic_iak - 2014-04-13 4:15 PM
My first submission was a 26x8 with a T-tetromino at D1-E1-F1-E2, a monomino at A26, and a L-trimino at G26-H25-H26; something like the 26x8 on the booklet but with less minoes used. And obviously it can be extended at will, so a good thing there's that 26x26 limitation, too. We added the restriction of 26X26 almost at the end because we thought there will be confusion over answer keys entering. But it looks like there would have been much confusion without it.
forcolin - 2014-04-13 7:20 PM
At first glance it seems to me that the first two solutions of the arrows are wrong as they do not respect the rule that white cells cannot share an edge. Which may reshuffle substantially the leaderboard for the top positions......
Yes, those are invalid grids. I missed that rule while making the pdf. |
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forcolin
Posts: 172
Country : ITALY | chaotic_iak - 2014-04-13 4:15 PM
Meanwhile, time to guess the author!
my guess is Tomoaki
The limit at 26 has also another function, to make illegal the solution (infinity, 2 ) which came to my mind immediately. Pity. |
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auroux
Posts: 145
Country : France | auroux posted @ 2014-04-13 9:43 PM For Roman OX, the second listed solution with 160 (middle of top row on first page) is incorrectly formatted, with an extra ";-" in the horizontal clues and a missing vertical clue. I assume this is because the contestant separated the two halves with a ";" instead of a "," and in fact submitted the same solution as the 3rd listed one (immediately to the right).
(As for myself, I feel stupid for finding the solution scored at 180 and managing to convince myself that none of the clues could be removed, when the two distinct solutions scoring 160 are in fact obtained precisely by doing so. Duh). |
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Riad Khanmagomedov
Posts: 234
Country : Russia | forcolin - 2014-04-13 7:20 PM
and I am the third with 25*11. did try the 6 loops but could not figure it out.
Sebastian was very good. The top solution is amazing, the idea of leaving out the trimino to respect the parity is fantastic.
At first glance it seems to me that the first two solutions of the arrows are wrong as they do not respect the rule that white cells cannot share an edge. Which may reshuffle substantially the leaderboard for the top positions......
As usual, Riad has pulled out from his hat a set of puzzles of fantastic quality. The astronomer is in my opinion the best puzzle. of the optimizers I like the Pentomino, it has so many possible strategies for getting the extra step. Thanks to Riad and the other organizers.
Thank you Stefano,
You're in the top three winners, congratulations!
Soon there will be preliminary results. |
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chaotic_iak
Posts: 241
Country : Indonesia | forcolin - 2014-04-13 10:30 PM
The limit at 26 has also another function, to make illegal the solution (infinity, 2) which came to my mind immediately. Pity.
I'd have suggested an infinity x 8 to score better than an infinity x 2. :P |
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forcolin
Posts: 172
Country : ITALY | yes but i use fewer polyominoes....
btw my guess was wrong. Congrats to James
Edited by forcolin 2014-04-13 10:07 PM
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Riad Khanmagomedov
Posts: 234
Country : Russia | forcolin - 2014-04-13 7:30 PM
chaotic_iak - 2014-04-13 4:15 PM
Meanwhile, time to guess the author!
my guess is Tomoaki
The limit at 26 has also another function, to make illegal the solution (infinity, 2 ) which came to my mind immediately. Pity.
This fantastic decision gave James and once again won the April Contest.
Congratulations on your victory, James, Stefano and Sebastian! |
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