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sduran
Posts: 7
Country : Turkey | sduran posted @ 2014-04-10 9:24 PM For the puzzle 10;
I cannot figure out by equal dimension of figure and grid cells on the given example.
Could you explain pls.
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kiwijam
Posts: 187
 
Country : New Zealand | kiwijam posted @ 2014-04-11 2:44 AM sduran - 2014-04-11 4:24 AM
For the puzzle 10;
I cannot figure out by equal dimension of figure and grid cells on the given example.
Could you explain pls.
It means that the shapes must cover grid cells exactly. e.g. You cannot place the 1x1 shape to cover half of one grid cell and half of another grid cell. |
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Grizix
Posts: 30
Country : France | Grizix posted @ 2014-04-11 4:27 AM Another question, about Battleships with Line :
Does the maximum line length have to exist or is it just a maximum ?
In other words, for a row with a 2, do we need to have at least one line of length 2 or only 1 length lines is ok ? |
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greenhorn
Posts: 164
Country : Slovakia | Grizix - 2014-04-11 4:27 AM
Another question, about Battleships with Line :
Does the maximum line length have to exist or is it just a maximum ?
In other words, for a row with a 2, do we need to have at least one line of length 2 or only 1 length lines is ok ?
It is needed to have such a lenght. |
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Administrator
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Country : India | Please check your submissions carefully before the contest endsBecause there is no manual override in this contest.
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Puzlifouk
Posts: 67
Country : France | Hello,
I really enjoyed this contest, with dense and varied problems. As a beginner, I always lack of time to look for problems in the usual competitions. This time, I only missed a little time to improve my optimizations ...
By the way, when can we expect to have the final results? |
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debmohanty
Posts: 1868
Country : India | Puzlifouk - 2014-04-13 3:05 PM
Hello,
I really enjoyed this contest, with dense and varied problems. As a beginner, I always lack of time to look for problems in the usual competitions. This time, I only missed a little time to improve my optimizations ...
By the way, when can we expect to have the final results?
We still are working on the optimizers (to check correctness of submission ). Riad is going to solve all of them soon.
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Administrator
Posts: 3567
Country : India | Optimizers SubmissionsLike previous year, we have created a pdf with submissions to all optimizer puzzles.
Click here to download.
Please note that Riad has not checked the correctness of the submissions yet. (So you probably can help him if you point out any mistakes in the pdf )
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chaotic_iak
Posts: 241
Country : Indonesia | I like how there are essentially only six distinct submissions among those in Roman OX with score less than 200.
The 26x13 was amazing. I tried something similar but couldn't get 6 strands to run zigzagging like that because I ran out of minoes. But I tried it on 26x12; I should have tried 26x13 indeed. My first submission was a 26x8 with a T-tetromino at D1-E1-F1-E2, a monomino at A26, and a L-trimino at G26-H25-H26; something like the 26x8 on the booklet but with less minoes used. And obviously it can be extended at will, so a good thing there's that 26x26 limitation, too. (My submission is different, improved from the above.)
Meanwhile, time to guess the author! |
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Semax
Posts: 10
Country : Germany | Semax posted @ 2014-04-13 6:28 PM Mine is the second one, 13x23. I could not place the last piece to make the rectangle longer, but even if I could have, the 13x26 would still be so much better. I just didn't think of putting the pieces directly at the left border...
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forcolin
Posts: 172
Country : ITALY | and I am the third with 25*11. did try the 6 loops but could not figure it out.
Sebastian was very good. The top solution is amazing, the idea of leaving out the trimino to respect the parity is fantastic.
At first glance it seems to me that the first two solutions of the arrows are wrong as they do not respect the rule that white cells cannot share an edge. Which may reshuffle substantially the leaderboard for the top positions......
As usual, Riad has pulled out from his hat a set of puzzles of fantastic quality. The astronomer is in my opinion the best puzzle. of the optimizers I like the Pentomino, it has so many possible strategies for getting the extra step. Thanks to Riad and the other organizers.
Edited by forcolin 2014-04-13 7:24 PM
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debmohanty
Posts: 1868
Country : India | chaotic_iak - 2014-04-13 4:15 PM
My first submission was a 26x8 with a T-tetromino at D1-E1-F1-E2, a monomino at A26, and a L-trimino at G26-H25-H26; something like the 26x8 on the booklet but with less minoes used. And obviously it can be extended at will, so a good thing there's that 26x26 limitation, too. We added the restriction of 26X26 almost at the end because we thought there will be confusion over answer keys entering. But it looks like there would have been much confusion without it.
forcolin - 2014-04-13 7:20 PM
At first glance it seems to me that the first two solutions of the arrows are wrong as they do not respect the rule that white cells cannot share an edge. Which may reshuffle substantially the leaderboard for the top positions......
Yes, those are invalid grids. I missed that rule while making the pdf. |
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forcolin
Posts: 172
Country : ITALY | chaotic_iak - 2014-04-13 4:15 PM
Meanwhile, time to guess the author!
my guess is Tomoaki
The limit at 26 has also another function, to make illegal the solution (infinity, 2 ) which came to my mind immediately. Pity. |
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auroux
Posts: 147
Country : France | auroux posted @ 2014-04-13 9:43 PM For Roman OX, the second listed solution with 160 (middle of top row on first page) is incorrectly formatted, with an extra ";-" in the horizontal clues and a missing vertical clue. I assume this is because the contestant separated the two halves with a ";" instead of a "," and in fact submitted the same solution as the 3rd listed one (immediately to the right).
(As for myself, I feel stupid for finding the solution scored at 180 and managing to convince myself that none of the clues could be removed, when the two distinct solutions scoring 160 are in fact obtained precisely by doing so. Duh). |
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Riad Khanmagomedov
Posts: 238
Country : Russia | forcolin - 2014-04-13 7:20 PM
and I am the third with 25*11. did try the 6 loops but could not figure it out.
Sebastian was very good. The top solution is amazing, the idea of leaving out the trimino to respect the parity is fantastic.
At first glance it seems to me that the first two solutions of the arrows are wrong as they do not respect the rule that white cells cannot share an edge. Which may reshuffle substantially the leaderboard for the top positions......
As usual, Riad has pulled out from his hat a set of puzzles of fantastic quality. The astronomer is in my opinion the best puzzle. of the optimizers I like the Pentomino, it has so many possible strategies for getting the extra step. Thanks to Riad and the other organizers.
Thank you Stefano,
You're in the top three winners, congratulations!
Soon there will be preliminary results. |
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chaotic_iak
Posts: 241
Country : Indonesia | forcolin - 2014-04-13 10:30 PM
The limit at 26 has also another function, to make illegal the solution (infinity, 2) which came to my mind immediately. Pity.
I'd have suggested an infinity x 8 to score better than an infinity x 2. :P |
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forcolin
Posts: 172
Country : ITALY | yes but i use fewer polyominoes....
btw my guess was wrong. Congrats to James
Edited by forcolin 2014-04-13 10:07 PM
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Riad Khanmagomedov
Posts: 238
Country : Russia | forcolin - 2014-04-13 7:30 PM
chaotic_iak - 2014-04-13 4:15 PM
Meanwhile, time to guess the author!
my guess is Tomoaki
The limit at 26 has also another function, to make illegal the solution (infinity, 2 ) which came to my mind immediately. Pity.
This fantastic decision gave James and once again won the April Contest.
Congratulations on your victory, James, Stefano and Sebastian! |
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Riad Khanmagomedov
Posts: 238
Country : Russia | debmohanty - 2014-04-13 7:26 PM
chaotic_iak - 2014-04-13 4:15 PM
My first submission was a 26x8 with a T-tetromino at D1-E1-F1-E2, a monomino at A26, and a L-trimino at G26-H25-H26; something like the 26x8 on the booklet but with less minoes used. And obviously it can be extended at will, so a good thing there's that 26x26 limitation, too. We added the restriction of 26X26 almost at the end because we thought there will be confusion over answer keys entering. But it looks like there would have been much confusion without it.
forcolin - 2014-04-13 7:20 PM
At first glance it seems to me that the first two solutions of the arrows are wrong as they do not respect the rule that white cells cannot share an edge. Which may reshuffle substantially the leaderboard for the top positions......
Yes, those are invalid grids. I missed that rule while making the pdf.
Thank you Deb for your support!
With your pdf-files check solutions has become fast. Previously, I had to draw dozens of puzzles, and then check. |
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jalbert
Posts: 6
Country : United States | jalbert posted @ 2014-04-13 10:58 PM Thank you for a really fun contest! I enjoy being able to take the time to work on challenging problems. I made a stupid error while submitting my entry for #5, but I still did better than I usually do on the speed tests. Plus I usually skip optimizers but thought I'd at least try this time! |
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swaroop2011
Posts: 668
Country : India | what is the answer key for first puzzle FIRE.
Because i see in wrong submission many have put same answer keys so it means have we interpreted answer key in wrong way, because the solution was satisfying all outside numbers ? |
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sduran
Posts: 7
Country : Turkey | sduran posted @ 2014-04-14 2:40 AM For the 12th puzzle, my submission was not included in the results.
there is still being checked or my submission violates rules?
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auroux
Posts: 147
Country : France | auroux posted @ 2014-04-14 3:06 AM Swaroop: the answer key for FIRE was 9#DO#XXXXXX---The third cell down the diagonal gets burnt at the last second. So: an actual error that several people seem to have made. (Obviously a small one, since you found 9 and DO and the rest should follow immediately from it if you are careful).Denis |
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auroux
Posts: 147
Country : France | auroux posted @ 2014-04-14 3:10 AM sduran: Based on the PDF file that Deb posted, your submission's first row has a "20" clue, which can only be OOXOOOXOOO or OOOXOOXOOO or OOOXOOOXOO, but in which you gave a forced 'X' as the first cell. I didn't check the text-mode entry recorded and whether it was correctly converted to a PDF grid, but the PDF grid has no valid solution. Sorry!Denis
Edited by auroux 2014-04-14 3:10 AM
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swaroop2011
Posts: 668
Country : India | auroux - 2014-04-14 3:06 AM
Swaroop: the answer key for FIRE was 9#DO#XXXXXX---The third cell down the diagonal gets burnt at the last second. So: an actual error that several people seem to have made. (Obviously a small one, since you found 9 and DO and the rest should follow immediately from it if you are careful).Denis
oh yeah just saw. Thanks . Have to be careful next time. |
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