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debmohanty
Subject: Re: TVC V @ 2011-02-05 10:28 AM (#3399 - in reply to #3392) (#3399) Top



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DreamRose311 - 2011-02-05 8:24 AM

Is it just me or is the file not working? Has anyone else tried to start yet?

There was a typo in the link. It is fixed now.
yureklis
Subject: Re: TVC V @ 2011-02-05 9:47 PM (#3400 - in reply to #3399) (#3400) Top


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ATTENTION
Word Tapa: There is an unclear phrase in the instructions. Each word should intersect or overlap with another one, but the instruction doesn't state this clearly. E.g. if there are two words as ONE and TWO, they can be TWONE but they cannot be TWOONE or ONETWO.

All submissions will be checked manually. You can solve the puzzle as you like, the solutions will be accepted if it is correct with or without intersecting every word.

Edited by yureklis 2011-02-05 9:48 PM
rakesh_rai
Subject: Re: TVC V @ 2011-02-06 12:57 AM (#3407 - in reply to #3400) (#3407) Top



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Nice puzzles - neither too easy nor too difficult. Although I was not able to attempt a majority of the puzzles, I enjoyed the ones which I could. Thanks Serkan for the nice contest.
StGeorge
Subject: RE: TVC V @ 2011-02-06 3:00 AM (#3408 - in reply to #3202) (#3408) Top




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Great puzzles, I still haven't finished all of them, but I'll be sure to do so.

I realised, though, that I have posted my answers to the Tapa with Borders puzzles in the fields for the Tapa Possible puzzles. It would be very much appreciated if you could amend this error on my part.
I guess the error-checking system isn't of much use when the answers to all puzzles have the same format :)
yureklis
Subject: RE: TVC V @ 2011-02-06 3:08 AM (#3409 - in reply to #3408) (#3409) Top


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StGeorge - 2011-02-06 3:00 AM

Great puzzles, I still haven't finished all of them, but I'll be sure to do so.

I realised, though, that I have posted my answers to the Tapa with Borders puzzles in the fields for the Tapa Possible puzzles. It would be very much appreciated if you could amend this error on my part.
I guess the error-checking system isn't of much use when the answers to all puzzles have the same format :)


:) I sent a message you about it. And i asked this. Of course you get points. But i think there are some technical issues in this situation, so probably administrator can fix this.
forcolin
Subject: Re: TVC V @ 2011-02-06 5:51 AM (#3410 - in reply to #3409) (#3410) Top





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I believe there is another bad sentence on the WORD TAPA puzzle.
"Different words can intersect only if they share a letter" says the booklet. but in the example VARIATION and CONTEST share TWO letters (ON).
should the instruction say "if they share at least a letter"?
MellowMelon
Subject: Re: TVC V @ 2011-02-06 6:30 AM (#3411 - in reply to #3410) (#3411) Top


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Question on Tapa Star from someone who has done the test: does the count of cells between the two stars include the two stars themselves? I interpreted as if the stars in a row were in column 1 and column 6, then 4 would be entered for that row (columns 2,3,4,5 are between them). If that's not what you meant, can credit still be given?
debmohanty
Subject: Re: TVC V @ 2011-02-06 6:33 AM (#3412 - in reply to #3411) (#3412) Top



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MellowMelon - 2011-02-06 6:30 AM

Question on Tapa Star from someone who has done the test: does the count of cells between the two stars include the two stars themselves? I interpreted as if the stars in a row were in column 1 and column 6, then 4 would be entered for that row (columns 2,3,4,5 are between them). If that's not what you meant, can credit still be given?


You already have points for Tapa Star - You can check your submissions and points here http://logicmastersindia.com/TVC/V/score.asp
brianklimek
Subject: Re: to organizer, Serkan Yurekli @ 2011-02-06 11:37 AM (#3416 - in reply to #3398) (#3416) Top




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Thanks Deb.
motris
Subject: Re: TVC V @ 2011-02-06 11:51 AM (#3417 - in reply to #3202) (#3417) Top




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Beautiful test Serkan. I eagerly await the next one!
harmeet
Subject: Re: TVC V @ 2011-02-06 2:28 PM (#3418 - in reply to #3202) (#3418) Top


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serkan,
very nice set of puzzles.

for tapa rotator i combined row A and row B answers in the first row and second rotator puzzle's answer in the next row, amounting to both puzzles tagged as incorrect. can this be considered?

thanks and regards,
Harmeet
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Subject: Re: TVC V @ 2011-02-06 7:19 PM (#3419 - in reply to #3418) (#3419) Top


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harmeet - 2011-02-06 2:28 PM
for tapa rotator i combined row A and row B answers in the first row and second rotator puzzle's answer in the next row, amounting to both puzzles tagged as incorrect. can this be considered?

done.
zhergan
Subject: RE: TVC V @ 2011-02-06 9:26 PM (#3420 - in reply to #3202) (#3420) Top




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Serkan for really nice set of puzzles and LMI for hosting
this event. Tapa is a really nice puzzle type and its different
variants increased a lot. Just by looking at normal tapa and its
many variants I hope you will invent some other new puzzle types
in the future...

Regards,

Zafer
tamz29
Subject: Re: TVC V @ 2011-02-07 12:16 AM (#3421 - in reply to #3202) (#3421) Top




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Awesome puzzles!
I got penalised on time, but manage to get all my solutions correct.
I need to practise some more tapas...
David McNeill
Subject: Re: TVC V @ 2011-02-07 3:28 AM (#3422 - in reply to #3202) (#3422) Top


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I'm afraid I found this contest just too difficult. Obviously a lot of practice needed. The puzzles which I finished in the time were all very nicely designed and I look forward to trying the others later.

David McNeill.
yureklis
Subject: Re: TVC V @ 2011-02-07 3:46 AM (#3423 - in reply to #3422) (#3423) Top


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David McNeill - 2011-02-07 3:28 AM

I'm afraid I found this contest just too difficult. Obviously a lot of practice needed. The puzzles which I finished in the time were all very nicely designed and I look forward to trying the others later.

David McNeill.


I agree with you. I didnt make puzzles in different difficulties, i have a reason for this. In the last year we didnt use any bonus points, and in this year we dont want to break TVC rules. I had to make most of puzzles not easy due to lack of bonus points. Because we dont want to have a lot of participants who solved all puzzles. But i am afraid of not being good. So we decided to make much more puzzles than TVC V so that offering much more easy puzzles to all participants in next contests. We think that is better.

Best,

Serkan

Edited by yureklis 2011-02-07 3:47 AM
forcolin
Subject: Re: TVC V @ 2011-02-07 4:00 AM (#3424 - in reply to #3202) (#3424) Top





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Serkan
good set of puzzles as usual. a bit confused about tapa word do not understand why the second puzzle is wrong, perhaps did not understand the rule about overlapping of words.
Pity because costed me penalty points to amend a typo from the solution which was wrong anyway
stefano
yureklis
Subject: Re: TVC V @ 2011-02-07 4:05 AM (#3425 - in reply to #3424) (#3425) Top


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forcolin - 2011-02-07 4:00 AM


Serkan
good set of puzzles as usual. a bit confused about tapa word do not understand why the second puzzle is wrong, perhaps did not understand the rule about overlapping of words.
Pity because costed me penalty points to amend a typo from the solution which was wrong anyway
stefano


Stefano, you got the points from second word tapa. In the forum we announced that we check manually word puzzles solutions because of some ambiguous instruction . So your solution is correct, and you got the points.
yureklis
Subject: Re: TVC V @ 2011-02-07 7:50 AM (#3426 - in reply to #3425) (#3426) Top


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First contest of 2011 Tapa Series is over, many thanks to all participants and LMI.

The top three competitors are:

1- Thomas Snyder (USA) - 15/15 - 49:01
2- Andrey Bogdanov (Russia) - 15/15 - 71:27
3- Florian Kirch (Germany) - 15/15 - 72:32

Results can be viewed: http://logicmastersindia.com/TVC/V/score.asp

Congratulations to Thomas for first victory of Tapa 2011 Series. He solved all puzzles in amazing total times. I think in this year Tapa Series will be more challening for everyone.

* TVC V has 15 puzzles, and next contests will have much more puzzles than this.

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- The puzzle solved by least competitors was 10B - Tapa Possible.
- The puzzle solved by most competitors was 2 - Tapa Filler.
- The puzzle with the highest rating was 10B - Tapa Possible and the puzzle with the lowest rating was 2- Tapa Filler.

* Last year we mostly prefered to get B/W answering format. All competitors had to enter marked row/column contents. But this was hard for all of us, so we changed the general answer format. This one is shorter and easier than the old one. But as a contest designer I have doubts in this answer format, about the puzzles being solved almost completely by competitors. So I chose some rows which need being more careful, like Tapa Filler second row, or 2nd Tapa rotator first row. Please remember this for next contests.

* We will follow same pattern like previous year. So, your first contest results will be transferred to the general table multiplied by a constant. I think the table will be available after TVC VI.

* Same like last year contests' total points will rise, of course penalty points too.

* Please remember in this year best 3 results out of 4 will be considered. So, it is not important to have one bad performance.

* TVC VI instruction will be published on 14 February.

* One more thing, if you have variation ideas please share us.

All the best,

Serkan Yurekli

Edited by yureklis 2011-02-07 7:52 AM
debmohanty
Subject: Re: TVC V @ 2011-02-07 8:26 AM (#3427 - in reply to #3426) (#3427) Top



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Congratulations to Thomas for winning this contest (and also for winning Sudoku Cup V).
debmohanty
Subject: Re: TVC V @ 2011-02-07 9:23 AM (#3428 - in reply to #3427) (#3428) Top



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Thomas took just 49 minutes, and after that we checked to find that we've his split submission timings information stored in the database. I thought it will be interesting to share it here.


SubmitTimePuzzleName
0:04:022 - Tapa Filler
0:08:051 - Tapa Chess
0:11:113 - Math Tapa
0:22:595C - Word Tapa
0:22:595B - Word Tapa
0:22:595A - Word Tapa
0:26:104 - Tapa Star
0:29:256B - Tapa Rotator
0:29:256T - Tapa Rotator
0:32:507A - Tapa with Borders
0:35:067B - Tapa with Borders
0:38:508 - Double Tapa
0:41:549 - Tapa Connection
0:44:2310A - Tapa Possible
0:49:0110B - Tapa Possible


I had an email exchange with him and here is what he had to say regarding his timings.

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So what I do on a test is submit puzzles when I finish a sheet and discard it to the floor. Sometimes I'll do this independently when there are two puzzles on a side, but certainly a full side when that's done as after I check the entry I won't look back at that page until everything is done.

You can see I solved from front to back (generally). I made a mistake in putting stars into the Tapa Star the first time through (there is a single cell that the Tapa can grow into that is necessary to solve it and I didn't consider this the first time), so I printed a new grid to put the wall in and restart the labeling. During this time I jumped and did the Words. So the gap to finish Tapa Star is not perfectly accurate. More like 3 minutes just to put the stars on it from the time data you see. Rotator was straightforward. Borders involved being lucky with 6x6 blocks a little bit (I excluded two edges in each case). Double Tapa was easy for me as I had learned the 221 corner break-in from some Crocopuzzle practice, and then I saw how to go along the right edge with the other wall. It was a very fun puzzle. Tapa Connection involved a few trials around the A and D, but eventually once I got one good path I could get the rest quickly. The Tapa Possible were really fun and at least the second solved from considering how the white clue areas would block you from getting to some of the grays twice. Figuring out to leave corners blank for the 3/3 gave a good nucleation site for the rest to grow out. Tapa is a puzzle type where some logic and also some intuition from a guess can work together really well. I got lucky more often than not this time around. We'll see how TVC VI goes.
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AndreyBogdanov
Subject: RE: TVC V @ 2011-02-07 11:43 AM (#3429 - in reply to #3202) (#3429) Top


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Thanks a lot for a beautiful contest. I had a lot of fun during solving.
Looking forward for the next parts.
Nikola
Subject: RE: TVC V @ 2011-02-07 2:09 PM (#3430 - in reply to #3429) (#3430) Top


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Good start of the new season of tapa. Congrats to Thomas for an excellent time and also congrats to other toppers!

I didn't forget to submit my last puzzle. Somehow, but I still don't know how, I imagined in double tapa that two tapas cannot form 2x2 square. After the competition, when I realized where I'm wrong, I solved the puzzle in two minutes. Very stupid mistake.

Serkan, thanks for the password!

Nikola
forcolin
Subject: Re: TVC V @ 2011-02-07 6:58 PM (#3431 - in reply to #3428) (#3431) Top





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debmohanty - 2011-02-07 9:23 AM

Thomas says
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So what I do on a test is submit puzzles when I finish a sheet and discard it to the floor. >>



Next time, could I play while sitting on the floor of Thomas' room?
Valezius
Subject: Re: TVC V @ 2011-02-07 9:44 PM (#3433 - in reply to #3431) (#3433) Top


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Thank you Serkan, this was a really good competition.
The TAPA STAR and TAPAPOSSIBLE are very good new tapa variations. However, the WORD TAPA won't be my favourite tapa variation :)
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