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Posts: 668 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Country : India | swaroop2011 posted @ 2023-07-15 8:18 AM Realshaggy - 2023-07-08 8:15 AMBut even then, if this is a common mistake, there is a question if there might be a better guidance for the setter. We have stated this in the Expo Submission Guidelines. I hope the Author sees and realizes that in the future puzzles.(guidelines_snap-min.png) Attachments ---------------- ![]() |
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Posts: 3 Country : United States | dohz posted @ 2023-07-16 10:58 AM are+puzzles+that+i+have+deleted+going+to+be+listed+under+%E2%80%9Cmy+puzzles%E2%80%9D+forever+%28even+if+it%E2%80%99s+only+visible+to+me%29%3F+i+know+i+can+just+filter+them+out%2C+but+it+would+still+be+nice+to+have+them+removed+from+the+listing+altogether+to+reduce+clutter%2E+%28i+had+a+puzzle+where+i+noticed+a+small+error+in+transcription+after+already+publishing+it+and+i+rushed+to+delete+it+before+realizing+i+could+have+edited+it+instead%2E%29 Edited by dohz 2023-07-16 10:59 AM |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Country : India | Administrator posted @ 2023-07-16 2:01 PM %5BQUOTE%5Ddohz+%2D+2023%2D07%2D16++10%3A58+AM%0D%0A%0D%0Aare+puzzles+that+i+have+deleted+going+to+be+listed+under+%E2%80%9Cmy+puzzles%E2%80%9D+forever+%28even+if+it%E2%80%99s+only+visible+to+me%29%3F+i+know+i+can+just+filter+them+out%2C+but+it+would+still+be+nice+to+have+them+removed+from+the+listing+altogether+to+reduce+clutter%2E+%28i+had+a+puzzle+where+i+noticed+a+small+error+in+transcription+after+already+publishing+it+and+i+rushed+to+delete+it+before+realizing+i+could+have+edited+it+instead%2E%29%5B%2FQUOTE%5D+That+is+a+good+point%2E+We+will+work+on+removing+the+deleted+puzzles+after+a+specific+time+period%2E |
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Posts: 17 Country : Germany | Menderbug posted @ 2023-07-16 7:05 PM It might be nice to allow people to mark (at least non-exclusive) puzzles as solved without actually having to solve them. There have been a couple such puzzles that I have solved before elsewhere. I know I can skip them to remove them from the front page, but then they'll still be counted as unsolved (and I can't submit a rating, I think). |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Country : India | Administrator posted @ 2023-07-17 6:13 AM Menderbug - 2023-07-16 7:05 PM Thank you for bringing it up, we will discuss internally how to implement this. Final response is due for this point.It might be nice to allow people to mark (at least non-exclusive) puzzles as solved without actually having to solve them. There have been a couple such puzzles that I have solved before elsewhere. I know I can skip them to remove them from the front page, but then they'll still be counted as unsolved (and I can't submit a rating, I think). |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Country : India | Administrator posted @ 2023-07-17 10:39 AM Menderbug - 2023-07-16 7:05 PM We have implemented this. You will see a "Solved this puzzle elsewhere?" button under the "Solve and Submit" button in the puzzle page, only for non-exclusive puzzles. It might be nice to allow people to mark (at least non-exclusive) puzzles as solved without actually having to solve them. There have been a couple such puzzles that I have solved before elsewhere. I know I can skip them to remove them from the front page, but then they'll still be counted as unsolved (and I can't submit a rating, I think). Once you confirm that you have solved at elsewhere, 1) this puzzle will be marked as "Skip" for you, so it won't appear in the home page for you, but you can always search for it with Status=Skipped 2) you will be able to rate the puzzle 3) the overall solve % in the home page will consider the puzzle as solved. Let us know what you think. |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Country : India | Administrator posted @ 2023-07-21 12:48 PM bakpao - 2023-07-10 3:40 PM We will be able to do this only if authors are you using edit mode in Penpa. - Being able to see the solution (by toggle?) without having to solve the puzzle So far all examples submitted are using Solver mode in Penpa. |
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Posts: 15 Country : The Netherlands | bakpao posted @ 2023-07-21 4:14 PM Ah, I see. I'd be happy to upload future examples using Edit Mode. I'll wait with starting to do so until you reach a decision on implementing or not though, but thanks for looking into it in any case! |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Country : India | Administrator posted @ 2023-07-22 7:15 AM bakpao - 2023-07-21 4:14 PM We have implemented toggle solution feature. See this Disorderly Loop for example. Ah, I see. I'd be happy to upload future examples using Edit Mode. I'll wait with starting to do so until you reach a decision on implementing or not though, but thanks for looking into it in any case! Also, thank you so much for uploading examples for different genres. We certainly think all authors should upload example puzzles for new-ish genres. |
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Posts: 15 Country : The Netherlands | bakpao posted @ 2023-07-22 6:30 PM Oh great! That's fantastic. Do example puzzles now need to be uploaded with edit mode then or is solver mode fine as well? |
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Posts: 668 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Country : India | swaroop2011 posted @ 2023-07-22 6:36 PM bakpao - 2023-07-23 8:30 AMOh great! That's fantastic. Do example puzzles now need to be uploaded with edit mode then or is solver mode fine as well? It still need to be edit mode for us to capture the solution image. |
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Posts: 668 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Country : India | swaroop2011 posted @ 2023-08-05 7:00 PM Realshaggy - 2023-07-01 5:53 AMJust from trying the first few puzzles, one of the ways to mess up is by defining the wrong "default tool" that is used when you first open the puzzle in Penpa_PLUS_. If you use Penpa_PLUS_ a lot, you know what to do to fix that, but it's still a bit annoying, if you know there would have been a better option. And new users might throw the towel here already, if it is impossible to solve the puzzle with the tool that is given them on default. Don't know what your target audience is, but you probably want to put the bar for accessibility as low as possible. Just an example (without wanting to blame him, just so you know that I mean): Sams Slitherlink uses coloring as the default tool when it is opened and I think I have seen three more puzzles by now that felt wrong. But I also have no idea how to "guide" the setter to set up the best available tool as default. Penpa is now updated with added additional checks. Now while submitting the puzzle, it will cross-check the default solver mode with the answer check option. If there is a mismatch, it will throw a message and ask the author to fix it. We just updated the Penpa along with some other new features. This should hopefully resolve the starting solver mode issues on puzzles moving forward. Of course, if there is something I missed, let us know and we will try to address it. |
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Posts: 15 Country : The Netherlands | bakpao posted @ 2023-08-06 2:22 PM Small point of feedback, it would be nice if a puzzle image is no longer hidden on the puzzle's Summary page when it is marked as 'Solved Elsewhere' |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Country : India | Administrator posted @ 2023-08-07 6:08 AM bakpao - 2023-08-06 2:22 PM Good point. Done.Small point of feedback, it would be nice if a puzzle image is no longer hidden on the puzzle's Summary page when it is marked as 'Solved Elsewhere' |
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Posts: 2 Country : India | dipa posted @ 2023-08-07 4:28 PM Thank you |
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Posts: 17 Country : Germany | Menderbug posted @ 2023-08-14 12:38 AM Could the "solved elsewhere" option also be enabled for non-exclusive puzzles? Sometimes that label might be applied erroneously, or I might have test solved the puzzle for the author. |
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Posts: 4 Country : India | Soni posted @ 2023-08-15 7:39 AM Right now the only way to see replays is if you have solved the puzzle already, which makes it pretty much redundant for the purposes of learning. There should be a "Give up" button (obviously framed nicer) that basically accepts that your timing will not be counted or "officially recorded". But then you can see others' replays and such, and actually complete the puzzle Edited by Soni 2023-08-15 7:45 AM |
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Posts: 3 Country : United States | dohz posted @ 2023-08-15 8:29 AM bug%3A+it+appears+that%2C+when+submitting+a+puzzle%2C+the+%E2%80%9Cinfo%E2%80%9D+field+cannot+be+directly+typed+into%2E+instead%2C+text+can+only+be+pasted+into+it%2E |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Country : India | Administrator posted @ 2023-08-15 11:46 AM Soni - 2023-08-15 7:39 AM The "give up" period is set to 24 hours. That means, 24 hours after you start a puzzle, you will be able to see the replay independent of whether you have solved it or not. Right now the only way to see replays is if you have solved the puzzle already, which makes it pretty much redundant for the purposes of learning. There should be a "Give up" button (obviously framed nicer) that basically accepts that your timing will not be counted or "officially recorded". But then you can see others' replays and such, and actually complete the puzzle May be we should reduce the "give up" period? Thoughts? |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Country : India | Administrator posted @ 2023-08-16 6:24 AM %5BQUOTE%5Ddohz+%2D+2023%2D08%2D15++8%3A29+AM%0D%0A%0D%0Abug%3A+it+appears+that%2C+when+submitting+a+puzzle%2C+the+%E2%80%9Cinfo%E2%80%9D+field+cannot+be+directly+typed+into%2E+instead%2C+text+can+only+be+pasted+into+it%2E%5B%2FQUOTE%5DFixed%2E |
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Posts: 4 Country : India | Soni posted @ 2023-08-16 9:52 AM Administrator - 2023-08-15 11:46 AM Soni - 2023-08-15 7:39 AM The "give up" period is set to 24 hours. That means, 24 hours after you start a puzzle, you will be able to see the replay independent of whether you have solved it or not. Right now the only way to see replays is if you have solved the puzzle already, which makes it pretty much redundant for the purposes of learning. There should be a "Give up" button (obviously framed nicer) that basically accepts that your timing will not be counted or "officially recorded". But then you can see others' replays and such, and actually complete the puzzle May be we should reduce the "give up" period? Thoughts? I think the "give up period" should be a button instead of a fixed time period. Virtually nobody I know would fail to solve a puzzle AND go back to see a replay 24h later. But everyone's general thresholds for "How much time do I solve this before I need to see a solution" would be different. It's easier to have a button so people have the choice to see replays early. Maybe if the concern is competitiveness, the period could have a fixed minimum? Maybe like the button is disabled for the first 30m-60m after which you can press it anytime you want? |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Country : India | Administrator posted @ 2023-08-17 9:53 AM Soni - 2023-08-16 9:52 AM Thank you for your suggestion. We have added "Need help? View Replays" button which will be enabled 30 minutes after you start solving a puzzle. Upon confirming, you will be able to view replays. Even after clicking the button, you can continue to solve and submit the puzzle, but timing will not be displayed.I think the "give up period" should be a button instead of a fixed time period. Virtually nobody I know would fail to solve a puzzle AND go back to see a replay 24h later. But everyone's general thresholds for "How much time do I solve this before I need to see a solution" would be different. It's easier to have a button so people have the choice to see replays early. Maybe if the concern is competitiveness, the period could have a fixed minimum? Maybe like the button is disabled for the first 30m-60m after which you can press it anytime you want? |
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Posts: 17 Country : Germany | Menderbug posted @ 2023-08-22 4:22 AM Menderbug - 2023-08-14 12:38 AM Just wanted to check that this didn't slip through the cracks. :)Could the "solved elsewhere" option also be enabled for non-exclusive puzzles? Sometimes that label might be applied erroneously, or I might have test solved the puzzle for the author. Edited by Menderbug 2023-08-22 4:22 AM |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Country : India | Administrator posted @ 2023-08-22 6:21 AM Menderbug - 2023-08-22 4:22 AM It did slip under the radar, apologies for that. Menderbug - 2023-08-14 12:38 AM Just wanted to check that this didn't slip through the cracks. :)Could the "solved elsewhere" option also be enabled for non-exclusive puzzles? Sometimes that label might be applied erroneously, or I might have test solved the puzzle for the author. For puzzles marked erroneously as "Exclusive", we encourage players to report it, so that we can fix it from the backend, if the author misses to. It certainly is a bigger problem and should be dealt separately. Agree that there is no mechanism today for test-solved puzzles, unless you are using Expo's test solving link. We highly recommend that authors share the test solver's link, but we agree that it is not always possible. We can explore how to solve this problem, but can you also share the outcome you expect after clicking on this option? (e.g. able to rate the puzzles / view Replays OR Not showing up in "Unsolved List" OR the Most active players stats etc)? Please let us know. |
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Posts: 17 Country : Germany | Menderbug posted @ 2023-08-22 6:50 PM I personally don't care too much whether I'd be able to vote in this situation, but it might be nice. Seeing replays, removing it from "unsolved" and adding it to the parenthesised number in player stats would be good. I mostly don't want to have to solve it again (especially with a non-representative time that an admin would have to remove). |