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@ 2023-07-15 8:16 AM (#31818 - in reply to #31810) (#31818) Top

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2023-07-15 8:16 AM

Realshaggy - 2023-07-15 8:39 AMI have some strange behavior in my only posted puzzle. There was a comment, that the answer check was not triggering for somebody. There were a lot of solutions since then, so maybe the solution was just wrong in this case, I don't know. But I still decided to check it. And whatever I do if I start the puzzle in "review" mode, it seems like I can't trigger the answer check either. Not in Sudoku mode (which is set by default) not in numbers mode, not in any color I tried. Is it still possible to trigger the answer check in "review" mode in a puzzle that is a few weeks old? I'm sure it worked, when I set it up originally. I can provide the solution if that helps, just send me a message in that case.
Thank you for your continuous feedback. It's very likely in this particular scenario, the mistake was on the commenter's side, as many others were able to solve it without any issues.On a side note, until now, we only allowed the Author to be able to test solve only once. We have pushed some changes now for the Author to be able to test their puzzles multiple times.Do note, If you refresh the page and Local Storage is ON, then it may directly go into Correct Puzzle Scenario as it will retain the solution and pop up the Feedback immediately. I would recommend undoing or Deleting your Solution and then refreshing the page to start a fresh test again.Let us know if you still face any challenges.
@ 2023-07-15 8:18 AM (#31819 - in reply to #31771) (#31819) Top

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2023-07-15 8:18 AM

Realshaggy - 2023-07-08 8:15 AMBut even then, if this is a common mistake, there is a question if there might be a better guidance for the setter.
We have stated this in the Expo Submission Guidelines. I hope the Author sees and realizes that in the future puzzles.



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@ 2023-07-16 10:58 AM (#31821 - in reply to #31709) (#31821) Top

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dohz posted @ 2023-07-16 10:58 AM

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Edited by dohz 2023-07-16 10:59 AM
@ 2023-07-16 2:01 PM (#31822 - in reply to #31821) (#31822) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2023-07-16 2:01 PM

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@ 2023-07-16 7:05 PM (#31823 - in reply to #31709) (#31823) Top

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Menderbug posted @ 2023-07-16 7:05 PM

It might be nice to allow people to mark (at least non-exclusive) puzzles as solved without actually having to solve them. There have been a couple such puzzles that I have solved before elsewhere. I know I can skip them to remove them from the front page, but then they'll still be counted as unsolved (and I can't submit a rating, I think).
@ 2023-07-17 6:13 AM (#31824 - in reply to #31823) (#31824) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2023-07-17 6:13 AM

Menderbug - 2023-07-16 7:05 PM
It might be nice to allow people to mark (at least non-exclusive) puzzles as solved without actually having to solve them. There have been a couple such puzzles that I have solved before elsewhere. I know I can skip them to remove them from the front page, but then they'll still be counted as unsolved (and I can't submit a rating, I think).
Thank you for bringing it up, we will discuss internally how to implement this. Final response is due for this point.
@ 2023-07-17 10:39 AM (#31825 - in reply to #31823) (#31825) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2023-07-17 10:39 AM

Menderbug - 2023-07-16 7:05 PM
It might be nice to allow people to mark (at least non-exclusive) puzzles as solved without actually having to solve them. There have been a couple such puzzles that I have solved before elsewhere. I know I can skip them to remove them from the front page, but then they'll still be counted as unsolved (and I can't submit a rating, I think).
We have implemented this. You will see a "Solved this puzzle elsewhere?" button under the "Solve and Submit" button in the puzzle page, only for non-exclusive puzzles.
Once you confirm that you have solved at elsewhere,
1) this puzzle will be marked as "Skip" for you, so it won't appear in the home page for you, but you can always search for it with Status=Skipped
2) you will be able to rate the puzzle
3) the overall solve % in the home page will consider the puzzle as solved.
Let us know what you think.
@ 2023-07-21 12:48 PM (#31831 - in reply to #31787) (#31831) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2023-07-21 12:48 PM

bakpao - 2023-07-10 3:40 PM
- Being able to see the solution (by toggle?) without having to solve the puzzle
We will be able to do this only if authors are you using edit mode in Penpa.
So far all examples submitted are using Solver mode in Penpa.
@ 2023-07-21 4:14 PM (#31832 - in reply to #31709) (#31832) Top

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bakpao posted @ 2023-07-21 4:14 PM

Ah, I see. I'd be happy to upload future examples using Edit Mode. I'll wait with starting to do so until you reach a decision on implementing or not though, but thanks for looking into it in any case!
@ 2023-07-22 7:15 AM (#31833 - in reply to #31832) (#31833) Top

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bakpao - 2023-07-21 4:14 PM
Ah, I see. I'd be happy to upload future examples using Edit Mode. I'll wait with starting to do so until you reach a decision on implementing or not though, but thanks for looking into it in any case!
We have implemented toggle solution feature. See this Disorderly Loop for example.
Also, thank you so much for uploading examples for different genres. We certainly think all authors should upload example puzzles for new-ish genres.
@ 2023-07-22 6:30 PM (#31835 - in reply to #31709) (#31835) Top

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bakpao posted @ 2023-07-22 6:30 PM

Oh great! That's fantastic. Do example puzzles now need to be uploaded with edit mode then or is solver mode fine as well?
@ 2023-07-22 6:36 PM (#31836 - in reply to #31835) (#31836) Top

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2023-07-22 6:36 PM

bakpao - 2023-07-23 8:30 AMOh great! That's fantastic. Do example puzzles now need to be uploaded with edit mode then or is solver mode fine as well?
It still need to be edit mode for us to capture the solution image.
@ 2023-08-05 7:00 PM (#31884 - in reply to #31730) (#31884) Top

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2023-08-05 7:00 PM

Realshaggy - 2023-07-01 5:53 AMJust from trying the first few puzzles, one of the ways to mess up is by defining the wrong "default tool" that is used when you first open the puzzle in Penpa_PLUS_. If you use Penpa_PLUS_ a lot, you know what to do to fix that, but it's still a bit annoying, if you know there would have been a better option. And new users might throw the towel here already, if it is impossible to solve the puzzle with the tool that is given them on default. Don't know what your target audience is, but you probably want to put the bar for accessibility as low as possible. Just an example (without wanting to blame him, just so you know that I mean): Sams Slitherlink uses coloring as the default tool when it is opened and I think I have seen three more puzzles by now that felt wrong. But I also have no idea how to "guide" the setter to set up the best available tool as default.
Penpa is now updated with added additional checks. Now while submitting the puzzle, it will cross-check the default solver mode with the answer check option. If there is a mismatch, it will throw a message and ask the author to fix it. We just updated the Penpa along with some other new features. This should hopefully resolve the starting solver mode issues on puzzles moving forward. Of course, if there is something I missed, let us know and we will try to address it.
@ 2023-08-06 2:22 PM (#31887 - in reply to #31709) (#31887) Top

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bakpao posted @ 2023-08-06 2:22 PM

Small point of feedback, it would be nice if a puzzle image is no longer hidden on the puzzle's Summary page when it is marked as 'Solved Elsewhere'
@ 2023-08-07 6:08 AM (#31890 - in reply to #31887) (#31890) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2023-08-07 6:08 AM

bakpao - 2023-08-06 2:22 PM

Small point of feedback, it would be nice if a puzzle image is no longer hidden on the puzzle's Summary page when it is marked as 'Solved Elsewhere'
Good point. Done.
@ 2023-08-07 4:28 PM (#31897 - in reply to #31709) (#31897) Top

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dipa posted @ 2023-08-07 4:28 PM

Thank you
@ 2023-08-14 12:38 AM (#31924 - in reply to #31709) (#31924) Top

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Menderbug posted @ 2023-08-14 12:38 AM

Could the "solved elsewhere" option also be enabled for non-exclusive puzzles? Sometimes that label might be applied erroneously, or I might have test solved the puzzle for the author.
@ 2023-08-15 7:39 AM (#31926 - in reply to #31709) (#31926) Top

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Soni posted @ 2023-08-15 7:39 AM

Right now the only way to see replays is if you have solved the puzzle already, which makes it pretty much redundant for the purposes of learning. There should be a "Give up" button (obviously framed nicer) that basically accepts that your timing will not be counted or "officially recorded". But then you can see others' replays and such, and actually complete the puzzle

Edited by Soni 2023-08-15 7:45 AM
@ 2023-08-15 8:29 AM (#31927 - in reply to #31709) (#31927) Top

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dohz posted @ 2023-08-15 8:29 AM

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@ 2023-08-15 11:46 AM (#31928 - in reply to #31926) (#31928) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2023-08-15 11:46 AM

Soni - 2023-08-15 7:39 AM

Right now the only way to see replays is if you have solved the puzzle already, which makes it pretty much redundant for the purposes of learning. There should be a "Give up" button (obviously framed nicer) that basically accepts that your timing will not be counted or "officially recorded". But then you can see others' replays and such, and actually complete the puzzle
The "give up" period is set to 24 hours. That means, 24 hours after you start a puzzle, you will be able to see the replay independent of whether you have solved it or not.
May be we should reduce the "give up" period? Thoughts?
@ 2023-08-16 6:24 AM (#31932 - in reply to #31927) (#31932) Top

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@ 2023-08-16 9:52 AM (#31933 - in reply to #31928) (#31933) Top

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Soni posted @ 2023-08-16 9:52 AM

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Soni - 2023-08-15 7:39 AM

Right now the only way to see replays is if you have solved the puzzle already, which makes it pretty much redundant for the purposes of learning. There should be a "Give up" button (obviously framed nicer) that basically accepts that your timing will not be counted or "officially recorded". But then you can see others' replays and such, and actually complete the puzzle
The "give up" period is set to 24 hours. That means, 24 hours after you start a puzzle, you will be able to see the replay independent of whether you have solved it or not.
May be we should reduce the "give up" period? Thoughts?


I think the "give up period" should be a button instead of a fixed time period. Virtually nobody I know would fail to solve a puzzle AND go back to see a replay 24h later. But everyone's general thresholds for "How much time do I solve this before I need to see a solution" would be different. It's easier to have a button so people have the choice to see replays early.

Maybe if the concern is competitiveness, the period could have a fixed minimum? Maybe like the button is disabled for the first 30m-60m after which you can press it anytime you want?
@ 2023-08-17 9:53 AM (#31938 - in reply to #31933) (#31938) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2023-08-17 9:53 AM

Soni - 2023-08-16 9:52 AM
I think the "give up period" should be a button instead of a fixed time period. Virtually nobody I know would fail to solve a puzzle AND go back to see a replay 24h later. But everyone's general thresholds for "How much time do I solve this before I need to see a solution" would be different. It's easier to have a button so people have the choice to see replays early.
Maybe if the concern is competitiveness, the period could have a fixed minimum? Maybe like the button is disabled for the first 30m-60m after which you can press it anytime you want?
Thank you for your suggestion. We have added "Need help? View Replays" button which will be enabled 30 minutes after you start solving a puzzle. Upon confirming, you will be able to view replays. Even after clicking the button, you can continue to solve and submit the puzzle, but timing will not be displayed.
@ 2023-08-22 4:22 AM (#31947 - in reply to #31924) (#31947) Top

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Menderbug posted @ 2023-08-22 4:22 AM

Menderbug - 2023-08-14 12:38 AM

Could the "solved elsewhere" option also be enabled for non-exclusive puzzles? Sometimes that label might be applied erroneously, or I might have test solved the puzzle for the author.
Just wanted to check that this didn't slip through the cracks. :)

Edited by Menderbug 2023-08-22 4:22 AM
@ 2023-08-22 6:21 AM (#31948 - in reply to #31947) (#31948) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2023-08-22 6:21 AM

Menderbug - 2023-08-22 4:22 AM

Menderbug - 2023-08-14 12:38 AM

Could the "solved elsewhere" option also be enabled for non-exclusive puzzles? Sometimes that label might be applied erroneously, or I might have test solved the puzzle for the author.
Just wanted to check that this didn't slip through the cracks. :)
It did slip under the radar, apologies for that.
For puzzles marked erroneously as "Exclusive", we encourage players to report it, so that we can fix it from the backend, if the author misses to. It certainly is a bigger problem and should be dealt separately.
Agree that there is no mechanism today for test-solved puzzles, unless you are using Expo's test solving link. We highly recommend that authors share the test solver's link, but we agree that it is not always possible. We can explore how to solve this problem, but can you also share the outcome you expect after clicking on this option? (e.g. able to rate the puzzles / view Replays OR Not showing up in "Unsolved List" OR the Most active players stats etc)? Please let us know.
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