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bakpao
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Country : The Netherlands | bakpao posted @ 2023-07-10 3:40 PM It would be nice if puzzles uploaded as example puzzles weren't treated as normal puzzles. Things I'm particularly thinking about are:
- Being able to see the (unsolved) puzzle without having started it on the puzzle page
- Being able to see the solution (by toggle?) without having to solve the puzzle
- (To a lesser extent and because of the above) perhaps no leaderboards/ratings on these puzzles
- (Also less important) an indication in the search engine that the puzzle is an example puzzle
The examples mainly serve to illustrate/explain a ruleset and being able to solve them should still be possible, but I think they would have much more value if you can see them before solving them.
This would also be in line with other platforms (puzz.link and puzzleduel come to mind) and most instruction booklets.
Apologies if any of this is already the case (I believe I'm the only one who has uploaded example puzzles so far so perhaps it's just something I'm not able to see/validate)
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Country : India | bakpao - 2023-07-10 3:40 PM
It would be nice if puzzles uploaded as example puzzles weren't treated as normal puzzles. Things I'm particularly thinking about are:
- Being able to see the (unsolved) puzzle without having started it on the puzzle page
- Being able to see the solution (by toggle?) without having to solve the puzzle
- (To a lesser extent and because of the above) perhaps no leaderboards/ratings on these puzzles
- (Also less important) an indication in the search engine that the puzzle is an example puzzle
The examples mainly serve to illustrate/explain a ruleset and being able to solve them should still be possible, but I think they would have much more value if you can see them before solving them.
This would also be in line with other platforms (puzz.link and puzzleduel come to mind) and most instruction booklets.
Apologies if any of this is already the case (I believe I'm the only one who has uploaded example puzzles so far so perhaps it's just something I'm not able to see/validate) All valid points, somehow we missed to implement this.
- Being able to see the (unsolved ) puzzle without having started it on the puzzle page - Done- Being able to see the solution (by toggle? ) without having to solve the puzzle - Will explore- (To a lesser extent and because of the above ) perhaps no leaderboards/ratings on these puzzles - Done - Leaderboard page disabled for example puzzles- (Also less important ) an indication in the search engine that the puzzle is an example puzzle - Done - Example puzzles hidden from search engine and also from Expo home page.
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Country : India | Realshaggy - 2023-07-05 9:50 PM
The "List of Standard Puzzles/Examples..." has a different header than the other pages (in particular it is missing the freshly introduced "Help" menu, but also a few other options). Smae for some other pages. I can't see a system behind it. Maybe the header should be the same for all pages. All pages (except My Puzzles ) have same header now. |
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Menderbug
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Country : Germany | I just tried to submit a puzzle for the first time, but both the Preview and Submit buttons seem to do nothing except set the puzzle's Display Size to 20 for some reason. Am I doing something silly? |
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Realshaggy
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Country : Germany | Since this is a hobby for (almost) all of us, I would suggest using a less harsh wording on the recently introduced "penalties" page . In particular, I think it would be better to talk about "restrictions" instead of "penalities". |
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Realshaggy
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Country : Germany | I have some strange behaviour in my only posted puzzle. There was a comment, that the answer check was not triggering for somebody. There were a lot of solutions since then, so maybe the solution was just wrong in this case, I don't know. But I still decided to check it. And whatever I do if I start the puzzle in "review" mode, it seems like I can't trigger the answer check either. Not in Sudoku mode (which is set by default) not in numbers mode, not in any color I tried. Is it still possible to trigger the answer check in "review" mode in a puzzle that is a few weeks old? I'm sure it worked, when I set it up originally. I can provide the solution if that helps, just send me a message in that case. |
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Menderbug
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Country : Germany | There might be a bug with the comment filter on the home page. I've set mine to "recent comments on my published puzzles" but my Latest Comment panel is empty (apart from "and 462 more comments") even though the puzzle I published earlier has a couple of comments. |
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Realshaggy
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Country : Germany | I think the filter just excludes the pure "emoji" comments. |
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Country : India | Realshaggy - 2023-07-14 7:52 PM
I think the filter just excludes the pure "emoji" comments. That is right observation.
Comments with only emojis are not shown in Expo home page. |
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Menderbug
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Country : Germany | Yep, can confirm, thanks! |
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Country : India | Realshaggy - 2023-07-14 6:12 PM
Since this is a hobby for (almost) all of us, I would suggest using a less harsh wording on the recently introduced "penalties" page . In particular, I think it would be better to talk about "restrictions" instead of "penalities". This is very thoughtful of you. Thank you for sharing. We have changed the wording. |
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swaroop2011
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Country : India | Menderbug - 2023-07-15 6:52 AMI just tried to submit a puzzle for the first time, but both the Preview and Submit buttons seem to do nothing except set the puzzle's Display Size to 20 for some reason. Am I doing something silly? Thank you for reporting. This is now fixed. Let us know if you still face any trouble in porting the urls. |
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swaroop2011
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Country : India | Realshaggy - 2023-07-15 8:39 AMI have some strange behavior in my only posted puzzle. There was a comment, that the answer check was not triggering for somebody. There were a lot of solutions since then, so maybe the solution was just wrong in this case, I don't know. But I still decided to check it. And whatever I do if I start the puzzle in "review" mode, it seems like I can't trigger the answer check either. Not in Sudoku mode (which is set by default) not in numbers mode, not in any color I tried. Is it still possible to trigger the answer check in "review" mode in a puzzle that is a few weeks old? I'm sure it worked, when I set it up originally. I can provide the solution if that helps, just send me a message in that case. Thank you for your continuous feedback. It's very likely in this particular scenario, the mistake was on the commenter's side, as many others were able to solve it without any issues.On a side note, until now, we only allowed the Author to be able to test solve only once. We have pushed some changes now for the Author to be able to test their puzzles multiple times.Do note, If you refresh the page and Local Storage is ON, then it may directly go into Correct Puzzle Scenario as it will retain the solution and pop up the Feedback immediately. I would recommend undoing or Deleting your Solution and then refreshing the page to start a fresh test again.Let us know if you still face any challenges. |
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swaroop2011
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Country : India | Realshaggy - 2023-07-08 8:15 AMBut even then, if this is a common mistake, there is a question if there might be a better guidance for the setter. We have stated this in the Expo Submission Guidelines. I hope the Author sees and realizes that in the future puzzles.  (guidelines_snap-min.png)Attachments ----------------  guidelines_snap-min.png (34KB - 1 downloads) |
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dohz
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Country : United States | dohz posted @ 2023-07-16 10:58 AM are+puzzles+that+i+have+deleted+going+to+be+listed+under+%E2%80%9Cmy+puzzles%E2%80%9D+forever+%28even+if+it%E2%80%99s+only+visible+to+me%29%3F+i+know+i+can+just+filter+them+out%2C+but+it+would+still+be+nice+to+have+them+removed+from+the+listing+altogether+to+reduce+clutter%2E+%28i+had+a+puzzle+where+i+noticed+a+small+error+in+transcription+after+already+publishing+it+and+i+rushed+to+delete+it+before+realizing+i+could+have+edited+it+instead%2E%29
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Country : India | %5BQUOTE%5Ddohz+%2D+2023%2D07%2D16++10%3A58+AM%0D%0A%0D%0Aare+puzzles+that+i+have+deleted+going+to+be+listed+under+%E2%80%9Cmy+puzzles%E2%80%9D+forever+%28even+if+it%E2%80%99s+only+visible+to+me%29%3F+i+know+i+can+just+filter+them+out%2C+but+it+would+still+be+nice+to+have+them+removed+from+the+listing+altogether+to+reduce+clutter%2E+%28i+had+a+puzzle+where+i+noticed+a+small+error+in+transcription+after+already+publishing+it+and+i+rushed+to+delete+it+before+realizing+i+could+have+edited+it+instead%2E%29%5B%2FQUOTE%5D+That+is+a+good+point%2E+We+will+work+on+removing+the+deleted+puzzles+after+a+specific+time+period%2E |
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Menderbug
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Country : Germany | It might be nice to allow people to mark (at least non-exclusive) puzzles as solved without actually having to solve them. There have been a couple such puzzles that I have solved before elsewhere. I know I can skip them to remove them from the front page, but then they'll still be counted as unsolved (and I can't submit a rating, I think). |
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Country : India | Menderbug - 2023-07-16 7:05 PM
It might be nice to allow people to mark (at least non-exclusive) puzzles as solved without actually having to solve them. There have been a couple such puzzles that I have solved before elsewhere. I know I can skip them to remove them from the front page, but then they'll still be counted as unsolved (and I can't submit a rating, I think). Thank you for bringing it up, we will discuss internally how to implement this. Final response is due for this point. |
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Country : India | Menderbug - 2023-07-16 7:05 PM
It might be nice to allow people to mark (at least non-exclusive) puzzles as solved without actually having to solve them. There have been a couple such puzzles that I have solved before elsewhere. I know I can skip them to remove them from the front page, but then they'll still be counted as unsolved (and I can't submit a rating, I think). We have implemented this. You will see a "Solved this puzzle elsewhere?" button under the "Solve and Submit" button in the puzzle page, only for non-exclusive puzzles. Once you confirm that you have solved at elsewhere,
1 ) this puzzle will be marked as "Skip" for you, so it won't appear in the home page for you, but you can always search for it with Status=Skipped
2 ) you will be able to rate the puzzle
3 ) the overall solve % in the home page will consider the puzzle as solved.
Let us know what you think. |
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Country : India | bakpao - 2023-07-10 3:40 PM
- Being able to see the solution (by toggle?) without having to solve the puzzle
We will be able to do this only if authors are you using edit mode in Penpa.
So far all examples submitted are using Solver mode in Penpa. |
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bakpao
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Country : The Netherlands | bakpao posted @ 2023-07-21 4:14 PM Ah, I see. I'd be happy to upload future examples using Edit Mode. I'll wait with starting to do so until you reach a decision on implementing or not though, but thanks for looking into it in any case! |
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Country : India | bakpao - 2023-07-21 4:14 PM
Ah, I see. I'd be happy to upload future examples using Edit Mode. I'll wait with starting to do so until you reach a decision on implementing or not though, but thanks for looking into it in any case! We have implemented toggle solution feature. See this Disorderly Loop for example.
Also, thank you so much for uploading examples for different genres. We certainly think all authors should upload example puzzles for new-ish genres.
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bakpao
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Country : The Netherlands | bakpao posted @ 2023-07-22 6:30 PM Oh great! That's fantastic. Do example puzzles now need to be uploaded with edit mode then or is solver mode fine as well? |
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swaroop2011
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Country : India | bakpao - 2023-07-23 8:30 AMOh great! That's fantastic. Do example puzzles now need to be uploaded with edit mode then or is solver mode fine as well? It still need to be edit mode for us to capture the solution image. |
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swaroop2011
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Country : India | Realshaggy - 2023-07-01 5:53 AMJust from trying the first few puzzles, one of the ways to mess up is by defining the wrong "default tool" that is used when you first open the puzzle in Penpa_PLUS_. If you use Penpa_PLUS_ a lot, you know what to do to fix that, but it's still a bit annoying, if you know there would have been a better option. And new users might throw the towel here already, if it is impossible to solve the puzzle with the tool that is given them on default. Don't know what your target audience is, but you probably want to put the bar for accessibility as low as possible. Just an example (without wanting to blame him, just so you know that I mean): Sams Slitherlink uses coloring as the default tool when it is opened and I think I have seen three more puzzles by now that felt wrong. But I also have no idea how to "guide" the setter to set up the best available tool as default. Penpa is now updated with added additional checks. Now while submitting the puzzle, it will cross-check the default solver mode with the answer check option. If there is a mismatch, it will throw a message and ask the author to fix it. We just updated the Penpa along with some other new features. This should hopefully resolve the starting solver mode issues on puzzles moving forward. Of course, if there is something I missed, let us know and we will try to address it. |
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