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Evergreens - 17th - 22nd Apr 2020 - Puzzle Ramayan & IPC Qualifier 202057 posts • Page 2 of 3 • 1 2 3
@ 2020-04-23 1:41 AM (#28109 - in reply to #28047) (#28109) Top

priyambhushan



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priyambhushan posted @ 2020-04-23 1:41 AM

vopani - 2020-04-18 1:51 PM

Too hard period.

Favourites: Magnets 10x10, Skylines 8x8, Skyscrapers 7x7

Thanks Priyam and Prasanna!


I probably got difficulty a bit off but I am glad you liked the puzzles! Thanks Rohan!
@ 2020-04-23 1:42 AM (#28110 - in reply to #28108) (#28110) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2020-04-23 1:42 AM

My puzzles: Anglers 1, 2, Hashi 1, 2, Skylines 1, 2, Magnetic Fields 1, 2.
Priyam's puzzles: Tents 1, 2, 3, Skyscrapers 1, 2, 3, Slitherlink 1, 2, 3, Anglers 3, Hashi 3, Magnets 1, 2, 3.

Magnetic Fields was Priyam's idea that I developed on while Skylines was an idea I thought of to round off the set.
@ 2020-04-23 1:42 AM (#28111 - in reply to #27915) (#28111) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2020-04-23 1:42 AM

Thank you everyone for participating, and again thank you to everyone who provided feedback on the round.

Like last year, I got to work with a debuting author. Authors maybe don't have as much leeway as solvers do :) While a solver can take multiple rounds to improve, an author has to hit their stride pretty quickly. Like last year I think the debuting author really did that in terms of puzzle quality.

A lot of you liked the 3rd Anglers and the Magnets set - these were my favourites of the set too when Priyam first sent them to me.

Last year's "rookie", Harmeet, returned this time for PR Round 2. I hope Priyam is a returning author too.

Its always a rewarding experience to see a new author find their steps and grow in confidence after a few initial tries. I hope I can continue to guide new authors into this in future years too.

Congrats Priyam, and well done :)
@ 2020-04-23 1:45 AM (#28112 - in reply to #27915) (#28112) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2020-04-23 1:45 AM

Congrats to the top 3 overall - EKBM, Kota and Hazakura
Congrats to the top 3 Indians - Ashish, Amit and Swaroop (very nice for a rare appearance in this edition ;) )

The round seemed to be on the hard side but as I have said above, this may be the opportunity to learn to solve harder puzzles and we welcome any posts of doubts and queries for approaches to the puzzles on this contest.

Thank you all once again for participating :) Over to Amit and some Casual and Word puzzles in Round 5!
@ 2020-04-23 1:58 AM (#28113 - in reply to #27915) (#28113) Top

priyambhushan



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priyambhushan posted @ 2020-04-23 1:58 AM

Hearty congratulations to all those who topped the charts, and thank you to all the participants, so many more than I was expecting!

Thank you so much for summarising the results, Prasanna, it's been an absolute delight to work with you!
Prasanna's mentoring has been invaluable to me, and I cannot believe I've learned so much so quickly, all thanks to him :)
It's very encouraging to see positive feedback on puzzle quality from solvers and authors that I admire so much! I agree the round was on the harder side, and I hope to take the feedback into further authoring opportunities.

It's been a very unique and wonderful experience co-authoring my first PR round, and I look forward to many more!

A special word of thanks to Rakesh for putting in so much work into organising and facilitating the contest. Getting a close-up view of all the works really makes me realise how much effort and care goes into putting together contests like these at Logic Masters India!
Much love to all the admins!

Thank you all :)

Eagerly awaiting PR round 5 (Casual and word) by Amit!
@ 2020-04-23 5:09 AM (#28114 - in reply to #27915) (#28114) Top

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An LMI player posted @ 2020-04-23 5:09 AM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many easy puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Skylines
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2020-04-23 2:14 PM (#28115 - in reply to #28114) (#28115) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2020-04-23 2:14 PM

Thanks to the 282 participants from 38 countries. Congratulations to Endo Ken, Kota Morinishi and Kazuya Yamamoto for taking the top 3 spots. Pavel Kadlecik (Czech Republic) was the first to take the test (excluding participants who did not submit anything) while Fernando Almazan (Spain) was the last person to start the test. The median score of the test was 49.

Top results for countries with 10+ participants:

India (46): Ashish Kumar, Amit Sowani and Swaroop Guggilam
Japan (26): Tomoya Kimura, Hideaki Jo and Takuma Kitamura(ranks 4-6)
USA(26): Walker Anderson, Jeffrey Bardon and Will Blatt
France (17): Anne Limoges, Denis Auroux and Laurent S
Germany (16): Michael Ley, Robert Vollmert and Jonas Gleim
Italy (15): Giuliano Montelucci, Giorgia Benassi and Stefano Forcolin
Poland (15): Tomasz Strozak, Tomasz Stanczak and Krystian Swiderski
Czech Republic (11): Jakub Ondroušek, Jana Vodicková and Ondrej Motlícek
Slovakia (10): Peter Hudak, Marek Kasar and Natalia Chanova
UK(10): Freddie Hand, Sam Cappleman-Lynes and Tom Collyer


Thanks Priyam Bhushan and Prasanna Seshadri for the puzzles!

Participants may share feedback on the results page and rate the puzzles on the contest page.
@ 2020-04-23 3:09 PM (#28116 - in reply to #27915) (#28116) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2020-04-23 3:09 PM

Puzzle_Maestro - 2020-04-17 7:06 PM
I don't understand why letters are used for columns: using numbers seems like a better option.
Tents: Quite a few opinions emphasizing that the column number should be 123 instead of ABC. The main reason is not to cause confusion with tent clues. We agree that ease of entering is better with 123. So this can be considered next time, ensuring visually that there is no chance of confusing them as tent clues.

WA1729 - 2020-04-18 8:06 AM
I'm not a huge fan of the magnets answer key because you have to alternate between holding shift for + and not holding shift for -. Could we use P and N instead?
OK. We can consider both options in future.

Grizix - 2020-04-18 9:44 PM
Maybe its just me, but I find answer keys with letters for the column numbering (instead of numbers) really painful.
And I cannot see the point of having to put letters instead of digits.
The digits are ordered, and the letters are thrown on the keyboard randomly, so I have to put one hand on the grid to check the alignment with the top letter, and the other hand on the keyboard, trembling from one letter to another, eyes staring wildly to find the good letter.
This point has been answered already.

kishy72 - 2020-04-19 5:43 PM
Entering answer keys were a chore.In particular, Hashi's was very difficult to enter and I kept putting more digits than needed in the answer key due to wrong interpretation until I figured how it works.Maybe specific clues can be marked above by a letter and asking the number of clues connected to them would have been better ?
Not sure if that would work better. We considered the current key as against "number of double bridges" as counting is too error-prone and maybe guess-friendly too.

pranavmanu - 2020-04-22 1:35 PM
I feel answer key for magnets can be kept as P,N rather than +,-
Magnets: The advantage with + and - is that we enter the same characters that we used during the solve. Also, + and - are next to each other on the keyboard. Probably we can allow both options next time.

A Carton Mutant - 2020-04-22 8:45 PM
I just think some answer keys could have been friendlier:
-Admittedly tents uses number clues but I still think number keys would have been better.
-Hashi keys were of different lengths but the red border for each line goes away after (I guess) you input the minimum length (for example, 6 for the large one). I was typing looking at the screen and got a bit panicky as I thought I had overly long answers. Also, not requiring zeroes might be an improvement, I corrected a row with an extra imagined zero at the last second.
-Allowing P&N for magnets would be nice.

Hopefully I don't come across as nitpicky
These are good points. And if it is called nitpicking, that is welcome. Good observation on the Hashi key. Yes, the red border goes away once the minimum was reached, and we kept the message also that way (6-8 letters, 3-4 digits). Not ideal, but not a big issue either. If we dont ask for zeroes in the answer key, the effectiveness of the answer key gets diluted. But this is something which we can discuss in future.
@ 2020-04-23 3:41 PM (#28117 - in reply to #27915) (#28117) Top

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vopani posted @ 2020-04-23 3:41 PM

Thread on Hashi answer key suggestion: https://logicmastersindia.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?pid=5079
Just bumping up a thread on Hashi answer key. My personal view is that Para's suggestion is far more easier than what was used in this test.
@ 2020-04-23 4:46 PM (#28118 - in reply to #27915) (#28118) Top

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gaurav.kjain posted @ 2020-04-23 4:46 PM

I finished all the puzzles later even though my performance was not good. Points distribution could be better. I have started enjoying puzzles lot now than earlier. This may be after solving group which helped in understanding and the idea of having focused group on single round was awesome and helpful. Thanks Priyam and Prasanna for initiative. I wish we could do same thing for each round. This is so much so I am waiting for next GP/PR round now.
The logic on Magnetic fields-Highest pointer was amazing and being author helps to decode those logic fast. Solved Anglers first time, they look numberlink to me with additional length constraint and could solve them without much trouble
Magnet 10 pointer, I could have submitted but I think answer key is very complicated, I wrongly entered in hurry and missed it, I like GP option where there is option given even to put P/N. I think we make answer keys easy and that should be worked upon.
I like skyscrapers highest pointer a lot, Priyam, I think this is your creation and it doesn't seem from 1st time author.
My other favorite puzzles [As i solved almost all offline] in no particular order

-- Skyscraper - Highest pointer
-- Hashi - 4 pointer
-- Magnet - 10 pointer
-- Anglers - 4 pointer, 8 pointer
-- All Exploratory puzzles -- I think they were just having awesome logic and wonderful creation

Thanks Priyam and Prasanna for the wonderful test.

Edited by gaurav.kjain 2020-04-23 4:50 PM
@ 2020-04-23 4:52 PM (#28119 - in reply to #27915) (#28119) Top

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gaurav.kjain posted @ 2020-04-23 4:52 PM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Magnetic Fields
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Answer keys could have been better
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2020-04-23 6:54 PM (#28121 - in reply to #27915) (#28121) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2020-04-23 6:54 PM

The Solution Booklet is now available here.
@ 2020-04-23 7:05 PM (#28122 - in reply to #28121) (#28122) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2020-04-23 7:05 PM

Also, participants CAN suggest their discomfort with answer keys (with suggestions) before the test starts.
IB was released on Sunday and test started on Friday.
@ 2020-04-25 1:44 AM (#28129 - in reply to #28118) (#28129) Top

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priyambhushan posted @ 2020-04-25 1:44 AM

gaurav.kjain - 2020-04-23 4:46 PM

I finished all the puzzles later even though my performance was not good. Points distribution could be better. I have started enjoying puzzles lot now than earlier. This may be after solving group which helped in understanding and the idea of having focused group on single round was awesome and helpful. Thanks Priyam and Prasanna for initiative. I wish we could do same thing for each round. This is so much so I am waiting for next GP/PR round now.
The logic on Magnetic fields-Highest pointer was amazing and being author helps to decode those logic fast. Solved Anglers first time, they look numberlink to me with additional length constraint and could solve them without much trouble
Magnet 10 pointer, I could have submitted but I think answer key is very complicated, I wrongly entered in hurry and missed it, I like GP option where there is option given even to put P/N. I think we make answer keys easy and that should be worked upon.
I like skyscrapers highest pointer a lot, Priyam, I think this is your creation and it doesn't seem from 1st time author.
My other favorite puzzles [As i solved almost all offline] in no particular order

-- Skyscraper - Highest pointer
-- Hashi - 4 pointer
-- Magnet - 10 pointer
-- Anglers - 4 pointer, 8 pointer
-- All Exploratory puzzles -- I think they were just having awesome logic and wonderful creation

Thanks Priyam and Prasanna for the wonderful test.


It is very encouraging to hear that the practice puzzles and tips helped out any and all PR participants, and led you to liking puzzles more!
Thank you for your kind words about my puzzles :)
Keep puzzling!
@ 2020-11-11 3:21 PM (#28559 - in reply to #28019) (#28559) Top

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Zabagui posted @ 2020-11-11 3:21 PM

I do not find the password anymore :-(
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