@ 2020-04-23 3:09 PM (#28116 - in reply to #27915) (#28116) Top
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Administrator posted @ 2020-04-23 3:09 PM
Puzzle_Maestro - 2020-04-17 7:06 PM
I don't understand why letters are used for columns: using numbers seems like a better option.
Tents: Quite a few opinions emphasizing that the column number should be 123 instead of ABC. The main reason is not to cause confusion with tent clues. We agree that ease of entering is better with 123. So this can be considered next time, ensuring visually that there is no chance of confusing them as tent clues. I don't understand why letters are used for columns: using numbers seems like a better option.
WA1729 - 2020-04-18 8:06 AM
I'm not a huge fan of the magnets answer key because you have to alternate between holding shift for + and not holding shift for -. Could we use P and N instead?
OK. We can consider both options in future. I'm not a huge fan of the magnets answer key because you have to alternate between holding shift for + and not holding shift for -. Could we use P and N instead?
Grizix - 2020-04-18 9:44 PM
Maybe its just me, but I find answer keys with letters for the column numbering (instead of numbers) really painful.
And I cannot see the point of having to put letters instead of digits.
The digits are ordered, and the letters are thrown on the keyboard randomly, so I have to put one hand on the grid to check the alignment with the top letter, and the other hand on the keyboard, trembling from one letter to another, eyes staring wildly to find the good letter.
This point has been answered already. Maybe its just me, but I find answer keys with letters for the column numbering (instead of numbers) really painful.
And I cannot see the point of having to put letters instead of digits.
The digits are ordered, and the letters are thrown on the keyboard randomly, so I have to put one hand on the grid to check the alignment with the top letter, and the other hand on the keyboard, trembling from one letter to another, eyes staring wildly to find the good letter.
kishy72 - 2020-04-19 5:43 PM
Entering answer keys were a chore.In particular, Hashi's was very difficult to enter and I kept putting more digits than needed in the answer key due to wrong interpretation until I figured how it works.Maybe specific clues can be marked above by a letter and asking the number of clues connected to them would have been better ?
Not sure if that would work better. We considered the current key as against "number of double bridges" as counting is too error-prone and maybe guess-friendly too. Entering answer keys were a chore.In particular, Hashi's was very difficult to enter and I kept putting more digits than needed in the answer key due to wrong interpretation until I figured how it works.Maybe specific clues can be marked above by a letter and asking the number of clues connected to them would have been better ?
pranavmanu - 2020-04-22 1:35 PM
I feel answer key for magnets can be kept as P,N rather than +,-
Magnets: The advantage with + and - is that we enter the same characters that we used during the solve. Also, + and - are next to each other on the keyboard. Probably we can allow both options next time. I feel answer key for magnets can be kept as P,N rather than +,-
A Carton Mutant - 2020-04-22 8:45 PM
I just think some answer keys could have been friendlier:
-Admittedly tents uses number clues but I still think number keys would have been better.
-Hashi keys were of different lengths but the red border for each line goes away after (I guess) you input the minimum length (for example, 6 for the large one). I was typing looking at the screen and got a bit panicky as I thought I had overly long answers. Also, not requiring zeroes might be an improvement, I corrected a row with an extra imagined zero at the last second.
-Allowing P&N for magnets would be nice.
Hopefully I don't come across as nitpicky
These are good points. And if it is called nitpicking, that is welcome. Good observation on the Hashi key. Yes, the red border goes away once the minimum was reached, and we kept the message also that way (6-8 letters, 3-4 digits). Not ideal, but not a big issue either. If we dont ask for zeroes in the answer key, the effectiveness of the answer key gets diluted. But this is something which we can discuss in future.I just think some answer keys could have been friendlier:
-Admittedly tents uses number clues but I still think number keys would have been better.
-Hashi keys were of different lengths but the red border for each line goes away after (I guess) you input the minimum length (for example, 6 for the large one). I was typing looking at the screen and got a bit panicky as I thought I had overly long answers. Also, not requiring zeroes might be an improvement, I corrected a row with an extra imagined zero at the last second.
-Allowing P&N for magnets would be nice.
Hopefully I don't come across as nitpicky
@ 2020-04-23 3:41 PM (#28117 - in reply to #27915) (#28117) TopPosts: 739
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vopani posted @ 2020-04-23 3:41 PM
Thread on Hashi answer key suggestion: https://logicmastersindia.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?pid=5079
Just bumping up a thread on Hashi answer key. My personal view is that Para's suggestion is far more easier than what was used in this test.
Just bumping up a thread on Hashi answer key. My personal view is that Para's suggestion is far more easier than what was used in this test.
@ 2020-04-23 4:46 PM (#28118 - in reply to #27915) (#28118) TopPosts: 52
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gaurav.kjain posted @ 2020-04-23 4:46 PM
I finished all the puzzles later even though my performance was not good. Points distribution could be better. I have started enjoying puzzles lot now than earlier. This may be after solving group which helped in understanding and the idea of having focused group on single round was awesome and helpful. Thanks Priyam and Prasanna for initiative. I wish we could do same thing for each round. This is so much so I am waiting for next GP/PR round now.
The logic on Magnetic fields-Highest pointer was amazing and being author helps to decode those logic fast. Solved Anglers first time, they look numberlink to me with additional length constraint and could solve them without much trouble
Magnet 10 pointer, I could have submitted but I think answer key is very complicated, I wrongly entered in hurry and missed it, I like GP option where there is option given even to put P/N. I think we make answer keys easy and that should be worked upon.
I like skyscrapers highest pointer a lot, Priyam, I think this is your creation and it doesn't seem from 1st time author.
My other favorite puzzles [As i solved almost all offline] in no particular order
-- Skyscraper - Highest pointer
-- Hashi - 4 pointer
-- Magnet - 10 pointer
-- Anglers - 4 pointer, 8 pointer
-- All Exploratory puzzles -- I think they were just having awesome logic and wonderful creation
Thanks Priyam and Prasanna for the wonderful test.
Edited by gaurav.kjain 2020-04-23 4:50 PM
The logic on Magnetic fields-Highest pointer was amazing and being author helps to decode those logic fast. Solved Anglers first time, they look numberlink to me with additional length constraint and could solve them without much trouble
Magnet 10 pointer, I could have submitted but I think answer key is very complicated, I wrongly entered in hurry and missed it, I like GP option where there is option given even to put P/N. I think we make answer keys easy and that should be worked upon.
I like skyscrapers highest pointer a lot, Priyam, I think this is your creation and it doesn't seem from 1st time author.
My other favorite puzzles [As i solved almost all offline] in no particular order
-- Skyscraper - Highest pointer
-- Hashi - 4 pointer
-- Magnet - 10 pointer
-- Anglers - 4 pointer, 8 pointer
-- All Exploratory puzzles -- I think they were just having awesome logic and wonderful creation
Thanks Priyam and Prasanna for the wonderful test.
Edited by gaurav.kjain 2020-04-23 4:50 PM
@ 2020-04-23 4:52 PM (#28119 - in reply to #27915) (#28119) TopPosts: 52
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gaurav.kjain posted @ 2020-04-23 4:52 PM
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Too many hard puzzles | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
| Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | Magnetic Fields | |
| What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Answer keys could have been better | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Many puzzles were worth too much or too little | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right |
@ 2020-04-23 6:54 PM (#28121 - in reply to #27915) (#28121) TopCountry : India
Administrator posted @ 2020-04-23 6:54 PM
The Solution Booklet is now available here.
@ 2020-04-23 7:05 PM (#28122 - in reply to #28121) (#28122) TopCountry : India
Administrator posted @ 2020-04-23 7:05 PM
Also, participants CAN suggest their discomfort with answer keys (with suggestions) before the test starts.
IB was released on Sunday and test started on Friday.
IB was released on Sunday and test started on Friday.
@ 2020-04-25 1:44 AM (#28129 - in reply to #28118) (#28129) TopPosts: 36
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priyambhushan posted @ 2020-04-25 1:44 AM
gaurav.kjain - 2020-04-23 4:46 PM
I finished all the puzzles later even though my performance was not good. Points distribution could be better. I have started enjoying puzzles lot now than earlier. This may be after solving group which helped in understanding and the idea of having focused group on single round was awesome and helpful. Thanks Priyam and Prasanna for initiative. I wish we could do same thing for each round. This is so much so I am waiting for next GP/PR round now.
The logic on Magnetic fields-Highest pointer was amazing and being author helps to decode those logic fast. Solved Anglers first time, they look numberlink to me with additional length constraint and could solve them without much trouble
Magnet 10 pointer, I could have submitted but I think answer key is very complicated, I wrongly entered in hurry and missed it, I like GP option where there is option given even to put P/N. I think we make answer keys easy and that should be worked upon.
I like skyscrapers highest pointer a lot, Priyam, I think this is your creation and it doesn't seem from 1st time author.
My other favorite puzzles [As i solved almost all offline] in no particular order
-- Skyscraper - Highest pointer
-- Hashi - 4 pointer
-- Magnet - 10 pointer
-- Anglers - 4 pointer, 8 pointer
-- All Exploratory puzzles -- I think they were just having awesome logic and wonderful creation
Thanks Priyam and Prasanna for the wonderful test.
I finished all the puzzles later even though my performance was not good. Points distribution could be better. I have started enjoying puzzles lot now than earlier. This may be after solving group which helped in understanding and the idea of having focused group on single round was awesome and helpful. Thanks Priyam and Prasanna for initiative. I wish we could do same thing for each round. This is so much so I am waiting for next GP/PR round now.
The logic on Magnetic fields-Highest pointer was amazing and being author helps to decode those logic fast. Solved Anglers first time, they look numberlink to me with additional length constraint and could solve them without much trouble
Magnet 10 pointer, I could have submitted but I think answer key is very complicated, I wrongly entered in hurry and missed it, I like GP option where there is option given even to put P/N. I think we make answer keys easy and that should be worked upon.
I like skyscrapers highest pointer a lot, Priyam, I think this is your creation and it doesn't seem from 1st time author.
My other favorite puzzles [As i solved almost all offline] in no particular order
-- Skyscraper - Highest pointer
-- Hashi - 4 pointer
-- Magnet - 10 pointer
-- Anglers - 4 pointer, 8 pointer
-- All Exploratory puzzles -- I think they were just having awesome logic and wonderful creation
Thanks Priyam and Prasanna for the wonderful test.
It is very encouraging to hear that the practice puzzles and tips helped out any and all PR participants, and led you to liking puzzles more!
Thank you for your kind words about my puzzles :)
Keep puzzling!
@ 2020-11-11 3:21 PM (#28559 - in reply to #28019) (#28559) TopPosts: 1
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Zabagui posted @ 2020-11-11 3:21 PM
I do not find the password anymore :-(