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prasanna16391
Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-14 8:50 PM (#16086 - in reply to #16083) (#16086) Top


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amitsowani - 2014-07-14 8:04 PM

@ Gaurav
We also work under some time constraints with regards to the venue to finish the event on time, which prevents us from having additional rounds.

Do keep posting your ideas coming in, so that we can improve the event even further in subsequent years.


One suggestion I have which can be explored and seems to be the best of both worlds (assuming the organizers are fine with providing a bit more solving content) is to simply fill the 60 minute round with more easy Sudokus. The proportion of points with the top rankers/newcomers will probably still remain the same but
1. It'll be more difficult for everyone to finish (stressing on the word finish, as it still won't be difficult to solve). This means its not as dependent on bonus, and also means that one mistake might not cause as much of a hit.
2. There'll be even more for people to solve and enjoy. I would assume an enthusiast would like to fill their hour with solving when the competition is basically just a one-time-a-year opportunity.
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-14 9:45 PM (#16092 - in reply to #15840) (#16092) Top


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I second Prasanna's thoughts of providing more puzzles, so that best solver just solves in time. It will be win-win situation for both audience as well as organizers as both the objectives will be met.

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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-14 9:49 PM (#16093 - in reply to #16081) (#16093) Top




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gaurav.kjain - 2014-07-14 7:37 PM

This is as surprising to me as for others, but India Sudoku team need guy of Rishi caliber. Debating on this point further according to me is unfair to Rishi and to India Sudoku team.

From next year onwards why not give wild card entries to all the 4 national champions of only last year if they fit into TOI Sudoku championship criterion.
Rest All should go through normal process without any exception.
@Amit
Agree with you, if there are tough puzzles the purpose to take Sudoku to masses and popularize may get hit.
May be why not introduced one more round of top 10-15 participants after 2nd round with some tricky puzzles.


I totally agree with Gaurav............
Firstly there is no point discussing on the wildcard of Rishi.... he has proved it by coming second in the tournament and we cant have a better Indian team atleast without Prassanna, Rohan and Rishi as none of us come near to these guys in any of these tournaments....take it regular LMI contests or World sudoku GP or any other contest.

Giving wild card for finals to the last years team is a very good idea and should be implemented if TOI agrees. This will give help to Amit and Deb also in organising the TOI championships as they will have 4 more people to help them in conduct the show.


All the best Team India...........I am sure of TOP 3 spot this year.
amitsowani
Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-14 9:58 PM (#16095 - in reply to #16092) (#16095) Top



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@Prasanna/ Rajesh

Do remember the problem of the scale.
More puzzles means more prints with the expectation that a large percentage of those will remain unsolved.

The main issue is the large rift between the top few solvers and the wider audience.
We can easily balance time so that no one completes or only the topper completes, but that would mean either too many puzzles or too less time.


I was wondering if we can design a mechanism in which we can check the paper instantly (say within 2 mins) and return it back if there is an error. One immediate drawback is the heavy requirement and dependence on volunteers.

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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-14 10:46 PM (#16098 - in reply to #16095) (#16098) Top



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amitsowani - 2014-07-14 9:58 PM

@Prasanna/ Rajesh

Do remember the problem of the scale.
More puzzles means more prints with the expectation that a large percentage of those will remain unsolved.

The main issue is the large rift between the top few solvers and the wider audience.
We can easily balance time so that no one completes or only the topper completes, but that would mean either too many puzzles or too less time.


I was wondering if we can design a mechanism in which we can check the paper instantly (say within 2 mins) and return it back if there is an error. One immediate drawback is the heavy requirement and dependence on volunteers.



If I may add my two cents here, The present format was designed with the purpose to give more and more people the chance to solve sudokus without having to give up on some due to time constraints. The reason for this was to pull people towards solving all the puzzles and enjoy them. Reducing time or increasing difficulty would simply diminish the common peoples enthusiasm greatly which will affect the participation in the long run.

Yesterday in Mumbai Prasanna, Rohan and I were discussing on this and we all felt that the top 4 of previous year should be given a bye to the finals. TOI need not take care of their travel expenses. This in turn ensures that places open up for others in the regional round and more and more newer people will be seen qualifying for the finals, which is one of TOI intents as well.

But this is obviously dependant on TOI's agreement too.

Rishi
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-15 7:48 AM (#16106 - in reply to #15840) (#16106) Top




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Upsets are more common in sports. We have seen many greats exists in the first round of a tennis grand slams. Once a set of rules are framed, altering the same in the middle of an event is not in the true spirit.
I agree with the Rishis comment that top four can be given a bye from the regional rounds and more can be accommodated to the finals. Try the same to select the puzzle team also. l
Dileep Singh
Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-15 8:34 AM (#16107 - in reply to #15840) (#16107) Top




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I think that there are two targets to be achieved by organising these events.
1. To select the best team to represent India at WSC.
2. To popularise sudoku in public domain, so that there will be a continuous generation of new talents in sudoku solving by increasing the penetration of sudoku to aam junta.

For this, it would be better, if Top 4/5 solvers will be allowed directly to the finals (on the basis of their last year performances in ISC/TSC/WSC). And then organise TSC at regional level, selecting top4/5 finalists from each city. There are many solvers among aam junta who are consistently in top10 in their respective regional rounds for last 2-3years. It is disheartening for them to not get selected despite of their sincere efforts.

It is in the interest of game that more and more people participate with a thing in their mind that they can win.
Participating with the veterans at regional rounds is not good for the enthusiasm of aam junta, as they know that there is no chance for them to get selected.

Edited by Dileep Singh 2014-07-15 8:35 AM
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-15 9:08 AM (#16108 - in reply to #16107) (#16108) Top


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Link : http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/Article.aspx?eid=31804&articlexm...

rvarun
Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-15 11:03 AM (#16109 - in reply to #15840) (#16109) Top




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I feel it is a pretty not so good article. They could have covered the event in detail rather than just a snippet given. :-(
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-15 11:45 AM (#16110 - in reply to #15840) (#16110) Top





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I think the article is nice. It is crisp, and it grabs eyeballs as it is posted on the front page. Salman only looks mildly interested in the Sudoku, and more interested in modeling the Dixy Scott banian. ;-)
amitsowani
Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-15 12:29 PM (#16112 - in reply to #16110) (#16112) Top



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Here are the final standings from the TSC finals




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arjunjolly5
Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-15 1:55 PM (#16113 - in reply to #16107) (#16113) Top




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I agree with Dileep... Knowing that its very hard to get into the top 3/4 of the regional round itself and that even if you are 5th or 6th it is not something that will get appreciated, its heart-breaking...

I would suggest that the organisers should acknowledge the hard-work/performance of ,say, atleast the top 10/15 participants out of the huge lot of around 1000-1200 people who participate in the regional rounds. People come to participate in the event from far-off places. I know in Delhi we had people coming-in from Chandigarh, Amritsar etc. which is like 5-7 hrs drive from Delhi.

Instead of 1 more round of Top 10/15 participants, simply acknowledging their effort, by giving away ceritifcates to them or for that matter a token of appreciation, will encourage them to participate next time and try to come in the Top 10/15 atleast if not in Top 3/4...

To be called as a 'TOP PERFORMER' in itself could be very encouraging...
prasanna16391
Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-15 4:02 PM (#16115 - in reply to #16109) (#16115) Top


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rvarun - 2014-07-15 11:03 AM

I feel it is a pretty not so good article. They could have covered the event in detail rather than just a snippet given. :-(


Would've liked a scorecard (well of course I would) and a more accurate timeline of the finals (I'm pretty sure 10 AM to 3 PM across 4 rounds with breaks in between isn't accurately described by "2 hour session"). I like the idea of having a celebrity in there to draw eyeballs but after that the article should have the content to keep them interested, and I just don't think this article achieves that.

But focusing on the positives, I must say that the 4 rounds were a lot of fun. The Fortress of the 3rd round was easily my favorite but there were some nice stuff worked into the rest too. The first 6x6 Arrow from the Sprint round reminded me of one of my own :) The 4th round with the Samurai was fun at the start but probably tinted by the fact that I had to erase and redo 3 of the grids before submitting. Rohan actually submitted before me but he made a mistake, so that flatters my score a little.
akash.doulani
Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-15 5:38 PM (#16116 - in reply to #15840) (#16116) Top


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Could we have the sudokus from the finals?
amitsowani
Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-15 10:28 PM (#16122 - in reply to #16116) (#16122) Top



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The sudokus from TSC are copyrighted and the property of TOI, so unfortunately they cannot be shared.
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-16 9:40 PM (#16129 - in reply to #15840) (#16129) Top




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The 5 point formula:

1. 5 players from each city in the regional round
2. Same difficulty level to provide awareness and increase enthusiasm amongst the masses
3. WSC difficulty-level Nationals to screen the top 5
4. Wild card entries to Prasanna, Rishi and Rohan is a must, presently we know who the first 3 will be. Its like playing chess against a 3000 rated computer. You can't win, so keep them OUT !! :)
5. Request Times to provide full sponsorship to TOP 8, wild card entries and top 5 from nationals
(I know it's easily suggested but in a long term [2 years+] time-scale, we can request this in exchange for 3 page weekly puzzle section in the Times newspaper for the metropolitan cities), I bet this will induce more people to read ToI.
prasanna16391
Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-16 10:49 PM (#16131 - in reply to #16129) (#16131) Top


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ConfigurationsBeauty - 2014-07-16 9:40 PM

5. Request Times to provide full sponsorship to TOP 8, wild card entries and top 5 from nationals


5th-8th will be on Team B which is unofficial, and Times/other sponsors might not be that interested in it. A lot of countries use their Team B in their own way in which they feel it is most productive.

Possibility 1: Load it up with more good players - all well and good. But will a sponsor like publicizing an unofficial team? A next level to this is, what if even one member of the B team outperforms members of the A team? That is fine and well from a competitive standpoint of course, but if both teams are publicized, in the eyes of the public it is an open fact that the Nationals didn't select the best team. That doesn't seem like a big negative to us but to sponsors, they definitely wouldn't want to publicize such a fact.

Possibility 2: Try to select newer solvers who might benefit from the experience - Again, great from our perspective. In the long term, this means more talent gets the experience of a WSC and improves (I mostly wouldn't have improved to this level if I hadn't gotten a bit lucky with better solvers dropping out of the team in 2011, so I value the WSC experience a lot). But again, we do not have a good enough structure currently for a sponsor to think of the long term benefits of a team. There is no short term gain here, and it is highly difficult to convince folks not into puzzling that it is not just a fad that will die out.

Possibility 3: Send a junior team (U-18 I guess, because that's the bar set by the WPF for prize categorization) - this is the only one I see sponsors interested in. Many schools will be interested in funding a competition which selects a junior team, and there is short term gain AND possibility of long term success too. It even seems great from our perspective, since it forwards the future of puzzles in India.

As for your other points, instead of 5 winners per city, I'd prefer it expanded to more cities. But Times already decreased the per-city winners to 3 from 4 last year, so they seem to be going in the other direction, and I think it might be really hard to convince them to go up to 5, unless we explore possibility of some players bearing their own expenses (assuming that's why they decreased it, and not some other reason).

But you add to the tally of people who want a wildcard for a few best players, which seems pretty unanimous at this point.
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-18 6:07 AM (#16133 - in reply to #15840) (#16133) Top


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Times Sudoku Championship - Mumbai Results


RankNamePointsSubmission
Time
C1
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C2
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C3
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C4
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V1
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V2
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V3
(Alphabet)
V4
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1Rohan Rao6020886766910
2Prasanna Seshadri6025886766910
3Sanket Khanwalkar6031886766910
4Utkaarsh Somaiya6032886766910
5Brendan Mathias6037886766910
6Jaykumar Patel6038886766910
6Meghna Shetty6038886766910
8Prabha Doshi6040886766910
8Saumil Gada6040886766910
8Rajesh Baniya6040886766910
11Arwa Poonawala6046886766910
12Mitsy Dsouza6049886766910
13Ravi Rana6050886766910
14Ashvni Narayanan6052886766910
14Steven Rosario6052886766910
16Bhavna Chohan6053886766910
17Mridu Manocha6054886766910
17Madhavi Maynil6054886766910
19P. R. Alamelumangai6055886766910
20Mehul Chheda6056886766910
21Harshini Desai6058886766910
21Anil Thakur6058886766910
21Mugdha Agrawal6058886766910
24Kaustubh Bendre6059886766910
25Madhur Singhal60886766910
25Geeta Hinduja60886766910
27Stephy Verghese5488676910
27Rakes Kothari5488676910
27Udit Kapoor5488676910
27Rakesh Dhawan5488676910
27Sanjay Bijlani5488676910
32Samir Modi5388666910
32Sagar Ravrane5388666910
32Amit Nigam5388666910
32Sandesh Manjrekar5388666910
36Ragini Agrawal5286766910
37Ayush Shukla508867669
38Pulin Desai488867910
38Hema Mehta488867910
38A. T. Jadhav488867910
38Gitika Shah488876910
42Swarupa Bhagwat478866910
42Vineeta Nakhe478866910
42Manoja Naidu478866910
42Kasturi Bhave478866910
46Priyanka Kardekar458666910
46Nidhi Gandhi458666910
46Hitansh Shah458666910
46Prasad Shah458666910
46Chinmay Thakare458867610
51Unmesh Dahake448866610
52Shrutika Kawa43886669
53Vidula Worlikar42867669
54Shweta Jain41886910
55Yashada Nimkar39866910
56Geetanjali Singh3888679
56Neeta Vahia3888679
58Indira Srinivasan3788669
58Rahul Sharma3788669
58Pradip Ambre3788669
61Navin Warde3588676
61Pooja Sharma3586669
61Krishna Iyer3588676
64Roshan Shinde318869
65Bhavya Singh308769
66Achala Desai298876
66Shashi Menon298867
68Archana Ghangrekar248610
69Mohammad Chasmawala23869
69R. D. Dusane23869
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-18 6:46 AM (#16134 - in reply to #15840) (#16134) Top




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rvarun
Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-18 10:54 AM (#16135 - in reply to #15840) (#16135) Top




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Hi. Can we have the scores of each city as hyperlinks with all details regarding TSC 2014 similar to the one we had in TSC 2013.
arjunjolly5
Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-18 2:56 PM (#16137 - in reply to #15840) (#16137) Top




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waiting for Delhi Regional Round results.. :)
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-18 3:43 PM (#16138 - in reply to #16137) (#16138) Top



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arjunjolly5 - 2014-07-18 2:56 PM

waiting for Delhi Regional Round results.. :)
That is due from my side. I'm still recovering from headache caused after checking Sagar's Alphabet Sudoku :)

I expect to upload Delhi results by tomorrow evening.
arjunjolly5
Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-18 5:07 PM (#16140 - in reply to #15840) (#16140) Top




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hahahaha... I know he screwed it.. No problem Deb.. Take your time...
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-18 8:02 PM (#16141 - in reply to #16140) (#16141) Top


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2013
Rank (*)
1Sumit Bothra6037:51886766910
2Ritesh Gupta6033:08886766910
3Dileep Singh6029:178867669104
4Poonam Gandhi6028:39886766910
5Shivin Garg6025:178867669105
6Rajesh Aggarwal6024:4688676691034
7Himani Shah6023:578867669103
8Sunil Singhal6023:568867669107
9Falak Pahwa6021:48886766910
10Prakhar Gupta6021:09886766910
11Angad Singh6021:088867669108
12Sagar Ramachndran6020:318867669101
13Hitesh Gupta6020:11886766910
14Arjun Jolly6019:258867669106
15Ravi Kant Jain6017:60886766910
16T. Sujaya6013:58886766910
17Akash Verma6013:408867669109
18Arun Gaur6010:2188676691010
19Jitendra Kr Sharma60886766910
20Lakshmi Samudrala5411:208876691056
20Abhinav Jain5410:1088766910
20Neha Yadav5409:3788766910
20Sunila Chanana5404:568867691024
20Rajat Mittal5488766910
20Avneet Singh Nanda548876691038
26Ashish Jain5309:5088666910
26Abhiram5308:0688666910
26Dhruv Bakhshi5306:5088666910
26H. P. Singh5388666910
26Deepanshu K Bhatia5388666910
26Ashutosh Venkatesh Prasad5388666910
26Ritesh Aggarwal5388666910
26Rupanshi Taneja5388666910
26O P Narang538866691034
26Alok Mittal5388666910
26Himanshu Mittal5388666910
37Jyotsna Gupta5286766910
38Sumit Garg5188676610
38Kapil Rijhwani5188676610
40Dinesh Jaiswal5001:408867669
40Aseem Goyal508867669
40Deviani Khanna50886766947
43T Ravi Kumar488876910
44Devishi Kesar4602:248676910
45Himanshi Gupta458666910
45Nikita Bansal458666910
45Rajesh Gokhe458666910
48Lakshya Batra448866610
48Saurav Moondra448866610
50Sara Rustogi43886669
50Saghan Agarwal438676610
50Girish Verma43867661027
50Dhirendra Kumar Gupta43886669
50Seema Nagpal43886669
55Vivek Goyel39866910
56Ashish Kumar38886610
56Rahat Singhla3888679
58Poonam Goel3788669
59Prabodh Chandra3612:3187669
59Anoop Kohli3686769
59Nishu Pushkar368676931
62Ajay Jain3586669
63Sanjeev Lomesh3488666
64c. Rajyalakhsmi3386910
65Komal318869
66Nirmit Gupta2700:58867612
67Sahil Aggarwal256910
67Amit Kumar25889
69Dev Jyoti Purohit23869
70Surbhi Newar1920:48910
71Saqib Javed1569
72Arjun Kataria809:508
72Neha Verma88


(*) - 2013 Rank is manually looked up - omissions are possible.
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Subject: Re: Times Sudoku Championship 2014 @ 2014-07-18 8:23 PM (#16142 - in reply to #15840) (#16142) Top




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