Thread - Killing Time — LMI April Sudoku Test

@ 2012-04-10 9:50 PM (#7130 - in reply to #7096) (#7130) Top

purifire

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purifire posted @ 2012-04-10 9:50 PM

This is a post to inform you all that there has been a change in the title of the test. People felt that the earlier title was bringing up images of an unsavoury event of the past. Our intention was not to hurt anyone's sentiments and after discussions with fellow solvers across the world, we decided to change the title.
Our focus and passions are all towards puzzles and we intend to keep it that way.

Appreciate the inputs of Tom C, David Millar and Jason Z on this.

Rishi

@ 2012-04-11 6:29 AM (#7131 - in reply to #7129) (#7131) Top

Administrator

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Administrator posted @ 2012-04-11 6:29 AM

Administrator - 2012-04-10 9:43 PM

Instructions in Chinese : http://www.sudokufans.org.cn/forums/topic/413-

If the above link doesn't work, here is the exact link

@ 2012-04-11 4:39 PM (#7132 - in reply to #7131) (#7132) Top

Fred76

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Fred76 posted @ 2012-04-11 4:39 PM

Another "5 still alive" with the rule "Digits cannot repeat inside a cage" for your training (quite different style than the first one):

(5stillalive2.png)

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5stillalive2.png (12KB - 6 downloads)

@ 2012-04-11 6:55 PM (#7133 - in reply to #7096) (#7133) Top

Realshaggy

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Realshaggy posted @ 2012-04-11 6:55 PM

It seems like 8 and 3 are still alive too:

http://www.logic-masters.de/Raetselportal/Raetsel/zeigen.php?id=000...
http://www.logic-masters.de/Raetselportal/Raetsel/zeigen.php?id=000...

Hope it's not too far away from the original theme, but there's some specific logic which is the same, and I don't think there are many examples out there for this type.

(Puzzles by Richard Stolk in the Puzzle-Portal of Logic Masters Germany.)

@ 2012-04-11 8:31 PM (#7134 - in reply to #7133) (#7134) Top

Richard

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Richard posted @ 2012-04-11 8:31 PM

Both puzzles were specialties, and inspired by the one of the fivefold sudoku test.
Sometimes a 'theme' can be a very simple digit...
The first one I made was for the 3rd anniversary of the puzzle portal in Germany, and the second was a bit too hard for the recent German sudoku championship.
Maybe they will help in preparation for this killer-test. The way to think yourself into the puzzle might be the same...

@ 2012-04-11 9:06 PM (#7135 - in reply to #7133) (#7135) Top

Richard

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Richard posted @ 2012-04-11 9:06 PM

http://www.logic-masters.de/Raetselportal/Raetsel/zeigen.php?id=0001BX
http://www.logic-masters.de/Raetselportal/Raetsel/zeigen.php?id=000...

If the instructions are in German, simply click on the english flag on top-right of the screen.

@ 2012-04-13 10:35 PM (#7143 - in reply to #7096) (#7143) Top

flk

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flk posted @ 2012-04-13 10:35 PM

Hey guys I've seen the 0-8 sudoku before but haven't understood the variation - is the purpose simply to throw people off their usual killer sudoku rhythm? Can't you just add one digit per cell to each cage and treat it as a normal killer?

Looking forward to the test

@ 2012-04-14 12:44 AM (#7144 - in reply to #7143) (#7144) Top

motris

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motris posted @ 2012-04-14 12:44 AM

flk - 2012-04-13 9:35 AM

Hey guys I've seen the 0-8 sudoku before but haven't understood the variation - is the purpose simply to throw people off their usual killer sudoku rhythm? Can't you just add one digit per cell to each cage and treat it as a normal killer?

Looking forward to the test

Yes, and yes.

I don't think it is a variation either, just an attempt at a paradigm shift that is unfortunately more detrimental to online solvers than paper solvers who can "fix" the puzzle. Just be sure to convert back to 0-8 before submitting the answer.

Edited by motris 2012-04-14 12:45 AM

@ 2012-04-14 3:02 AM (#7145 - in reply to #7143) (#7145) Top

Para

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Para posted @ 2012-04-14 3:02 AM

flk - 2012-04-13 10:35 PM

Hey guys I've seen the 0-8 sudoku before but haven't understood the variation - is the purpose simply to throw people off their usual killer sudoku rhythm? Can't you just add one digit per cell to each cage and treat it as a normal killer?

Looking forward to the test

If you do that remember to subtract 1 from every digit for the answer key.

The Killer from the spring sudoku test and the one I made were both zero killers (unclued areas) and had clear cage sum themes. So maybe it's another similar gimmick.

I at first was thinking the greater than killer would have the symbols be between cages (like on killersudokuonline.com) and not between cells.

@ 2012-04-14 3:22 AM (#7146 - in reply to #7096) (#7146) Top

Administrator

Country : India

Administrator posted @ 2012-04-14 3:22 AM

Announcements

1. Password protected pdf is uploaded. It has 12 pages. There is no cover page.
2. If you are planning to solve online, please solve the example first to be comfortable.
3. Paper only link - http://logicmastersindia.com/M201204S/?paper=1

@ 2012-04-14 8:00 PM (#7147 - in reply to #7096) (#7147) Top

SKnight

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SKnight posted @ 2012-04-14 8:00 PM

Hmm... results page isn't showing that anybody has submitted anything, even though people have finished the test, and have actually submitted answers.

@ 2012-04-14 8:04 PM (#7148 - in reply to #7147) (#7148) Top

purifire

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purifire posted @ 2012-04-14 8:04 PM

Deb will be setting that right soon..

@ 2012-04-15 4:10 AM (#7149 - in reply to #7147) (#7149) Top

Para

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Para posted @ 2012-04-15 4:10 AM

Phew, just managed to submit my answers in time.

It was a little bit confusing that the Surprise Killer wasn't named that in the booklet but is named that on the answer key page. It took me a little while to realise the name didn't match the name on the answer key page. But I had actually switched answer pages a few times looking for the right place to put in the answer key.

SKnight - 2012-04-14 8:00 PM

Hmm... results page isn't showing that anybody has submitted anything, even though people have finished the test, and have actually submitted answers.

It's to increase tension.

I think it has some old script remembered as it also already shows ratings before I entered them.

Edited by Para 2012-04-15 4:19 AM

@ 2012-04-15 5:30 AM (#7150 - in reply to #7096) (#7150) Top

forcolin

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forcolin posted @ 2012-04-15 5:30 AM

@ 2012-04-15 8:45 AM (#7151 - in reply to #7096) (#7151) Top

joshuazucker

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joshuazucker posted @ 2012-04-15 8:45 AM

I think I noticed a typo on the Untouch submission form: the online form says to submit row 5 and row 6 but the arrows on the puzzle say to submit row 5 and column 6.

@ 2012-04-15 2:06 PM (#7152 - in reply to #7151) (#7152) Top

Ziti

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Ziti posted @ 2012-04-15 2:06 PM

Thank you for the entertaining set, Rishi. You took a good idea and made it great with many clever variants. Good work!

@ 2012-04-15 2:53 PM (#7153 - in reply to #7152) (#7153) Top

purifire

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purifire posted @ 2012-04-15 2:53 PM

Thanks Jason!

@ 2012-04-15 6:04 PM (#7154 - in reply to #7096) (#7154) Top

rajeshk

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rajeshk posted @ 2012-04-15 6:04 PM

Thanks Rishi for the great set of puzzles created by you. I really enjoyed it participating in this.

@ 2012-04-15 6:08 PM (#7155 - in reply to #7154) (#7155) Top

purifire

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purifire posted @ 2012-04-15 6:08 PM

Thanks Rajesh!

@ 2012-04-15 6:21 PM (#7156 - in reply to #7096) (#7156) Top

flk

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flk posted @ 2012-04-15 6:21 PM

Thanks for the test, most enjoyable. Also thanks to those who responded above.

@ 2012-04-15 10:29 PM (#7157 - in reply to #7096) (#7157) Top

rajeshk

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rajeshk posted @ 2012-04-15 10:29 PM

I am not able to see results. It shows the players which participated but not any score. Is there anyone else facing the same problem?

@ 2012-04-15 10:30 PM (#7158 - in reply to #7157) (#7158) Top

purifire

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purifire posted @ 2012-04-15 10:30 PM

rajeshk - 2012-04-15 10:29 PM

I am not able to see results. It shows the players which participated but not any score. Is there anyone else facing the same problem?

Deb will look into it Rajesh. I think everyone is facing that problem.

@ 2012-04-16 8:17 AM (#7159 - in reply to #7096) (#7159) Top

rajeshk

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rajeshk posted @ 2012-04-16 8:17 AM

Thanks Rishi for your super quick reply. I am able to see the results now.

@ 2012-04-16 11:44 AM (#7161 - in reply to #7159) (#7161) Top

purifire

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purifire posted @ 2012-04-16 11:44 AM

The Results page has been corrected and you can now see the results. Apologies for any inconvenience.

Rishi

@ 2012-04-16 2:47 PM (#7162 - in reply to #7161) (#7162) Top

prasanna16391

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2012-04-16 2:47 PM

Still disappointed I messed up a chance for completion, but quite happy if it stays like this :P

Great Killers, I can easily say, my favorite Sudoku test on LMI, but I guess I'm biased with liking Killers and all.

Thanks Rishi :)


	@ 2012-04-10 9:50 PM (#7130 - in reply to #7096) (#7130) Top
purifire Posts: 460 Country : India	purifire posted @ 2012-04-10 9:50 PM This is a post to inform you all that there has been a change in the title of the test. People felt that the earlier title was bringing up images of an unsavoury event of the past. Our intention was not to hurt anyone's sentiments and after discussions with fellow solvers across the world, we decided to change the title. Our focus and passions are all towards puzzles and we intend to keep it that way. Appreciate the inputs of Tom C, David Millar and Jason Z on this. Rishi
	@ 2012-04-11 6:29 AM (#7131 - in reply to #7129) (#7131) Top
Administrator Country : India	Administrator posted @ 2012-04-11 6:29 AM Administrator - 2012-04-10 9:43 PM Instructions in Chinese : http://www.sudokufans.org.cn/forums/topic/413- If the above link doesn't work, here is the exact link
	@ 2012-04-11 4:39 PM (#7132 - in reply to #7131) (#7132) Top
Fred76 Posts: 337 Country : Switzerland	Fred76 posted @ 2012-04-11 4:39 PM Another "5 still alive" with the rule "Digits cannot repeat inside a cage" for your training (quite different style than the first one): (5stillalive2.png) Attachments ---------------- 5stillalive2.png (12KB - 6 downloads)
	@ 2012-04-11 6:55 PM (#7133 - in reply to #7096) (#7133) Top
Realshaggy Posts: 69 Country : Germany	Realshaggy posted @ 2012-04-11 6:55 PM It seems like 8 and 3 are still alive too: http://www.logic-masters.de/Raetselportal/Raetsel/zeigen.php?id=000... http://www.logic-masters.de/Raetselportal/Raetsel/zeigen.php?id=000... Hope it's not too far away from the original theme, but there's some specific logic which is the same, and I don't think there are many examples out there for this type. (Puzzles by Richard Stolk in the Puzzle-Portal of Logic Masters Germany.)
	@ 2012-04-11 8:31 PM (#7134 - in reply to #7133) (#7134) Top
Richard Posts: 191 Country : The Netherlands	Richard posted @ 2012-04-11 8:31 PM Both puzzles were specialties, and inspired by the one of the fivefold sudoku test. Sometimes a 'theme' can be a very simple digit... The first one I made was for the 3rd anniversary of the puzzle portal in Germany, and the second was a bit too hard for the recent German sudoku championship. Maybe they will help in preparation for this killer-test. The way to think yourself into the puzzle might be the same...
	@ 2012-04-11 9:06 PM (#7135 - in reply to #7133) (#7135) Top
Richard Posts: 191 Country : The Netherlands	Richard posted @ 2012-04-11 9:06 PM http://www.logic-masters.de/Raetselportal/Raetsel/zeigen.php?id=0001BX http://www.logic-masters.de/Raetselportal/Raetsel/zeigen.php?id=000... If the instructions are in German, simply click on the english flag on top-right of the screen.
	@ 2012-04-13 10:35 PM (#7143 - in reply to #7096) (#7143) Top
flk Posts: 23 Country : Australia	flk posted @ 2012-04-13 10:35 PM Hey guys I've seen the 0-8 sudoku before but haven't understood the variation - is the purpose simply to throw people off their usual killer sudoku rhythm? Can't you just add one digit per cell to each cage and treat it as a normal killer? Looking forward to the test
	@ 2012-04-14 12:44 AM (#7144 - in reply to #7143) (#7144) Top
motris Posts: 199 Country : United States	motris posted @ 2012-04-14 12:44 AM flk - 2012-04-13 9:35 AM Hey guys I've seen the 0-8 sudoku before but haven't understood the variation - is the purpose simply to throw people off their usual killer sudoku rhythm? Can't you just add one digit per cell to each cage and treat it as a normal killer? Looking forward to the test Yes, and yes. I don't think it is a variation either, just an attempt at a paradigm shift that is unfortunately more detrimental to online solvers than paper solvers who can "fix" the puzzle. Just be sure to convert back to 0-8 before submitting the answer. Edited by motris 2012-04-14 12:45 AM
	@ 2012-04-14 3:02 AM (#7145 - in reply to #7143) (#7145) Top
Para Posts: 315 Country : The Netherlands	Para posted @ 2012-04-14 3:02 AM flk - 2012-04-13 10:35 PM Hey guys I've seen the 0-8 sudoku before but haven't understood the variation - is the purpose simply to throw people off their usual killer sudoku rhythm? Can't you just add one digit per cell to each cage and treat it as a normal killer? Looking forward to the test If you do that remember to subtract 1 from every digit for the answer key. The Killer from the spring sudoku test and the one I made were both zero killers (unclued areas) and had clear cage sum themes. So maybe it's another similar gimmick. I at first was thinking the greater than killer would have the symbols be between cages (like on killersudokuonline.com) and not between cells.
	@ 2012-04-14 3:22 AM (#7146 - in reply to #7096) (#7146) Top
Administrator Country : India	Administrator posted @ 2012-04-14 3:22 AM Announcements 1. Password protected pdf is uploaded. It has 12 pages. There is no cover page. 2. If you are planning to solve online, please solve the example first to be comfortable. 3. Paper only link - http://logicmastersindia.com/M201204S/?paper=1
	@ 2012-04-14 8:00 PM (#7147 - in reply to #7096) (#7147) Top
SKnight Posts: 25 Country : United States	SKnight posted @ 2012-04-14 8:00 PM Hmm... results page isn't showing that anybody has submitted anything, even though people have finished the test, and have actually submitted answers.
	@ 2012-04-14 8:04 PM (#7148 - in reply to #7147) (#7148) Top
purifire Posts: 460 Country : India	purifire posted @ 2012-04-14 8:04 PM Deb will be setting that right soon..
	@ 2012-04-15 4:10 AM (#7149 - in reply to #7147) (#7149) Top
Para Posts: 315 Country : The Netherlands	Para posted @ 2012-04-15 4:10 AM Phew, just managed to submit my answers in time. It was a little bit confusing that the Surprise Killer wasn't named that in the booklet but is named that on the answer key page. It took me a little while to realise the name didn't match the name on the answer key page. But I had actually switched answer pages a few times looking for the right place to put in the answer key. SKnight - 2012-04-14 8:00 PM Hmm... results page isn't showing that anybody has submitted anything, even though people have finished the test, and have actually submitted answers. It's to increase tension. I think it has some old script remembered as it also already shows ratings before I entered them. Edited by Para 2012-04-15 4:19 AM
	@ 2012-04-15 5:30 AM (#7150 - in reply to #7096) (#7150) Top
forcolin Posts: 172 Country : ITALY	forcolin posted @ 2012-04-15 5:30 AM Phew, just managed to submit my answers in time. It was a little bit confusing that the Surprise Killer wasn't named that in the booklet but is named that on the answer key page. It took me a little while to realise the name didn't match the name on the answer key page. But I had actually switched answer pages a few times looking for the right place to put in the answer key. I just copy/pasted as I had exactly the same experience. Para I owe you a beer for the copyright Stefano
	@ 2012-04-15 8:45 AM (#7151 - in reply to #7096) (#7151) Top
joshuazucker Posts: 31 Country : United States	joshuazucker posted @ 2012-04-15 8:45 AM I think I noticed a typo on the Untouch submission form: the online form says to submit row 5 and row 6 but the arrows on the puzzle say to submit row 5 and column 6.
	@ 2012-04-15 2:06 PM (#7152 - in reply to #7151) (#7152) Top
Ziti Posts: 42 Country : United States	Ziti posted @ 2012-04-15 2:06 PM Thank you for the entertaining set, Rishi. You took a good idea and made it great with many clever variants. Good work!
	@ 2012-04-15 2:53 PM (#7153 - in reply to #7152) (#7153) Top
purifire Posts: 460 Country : India	purifire posted @ 2012-04-15 2:53 PM Thanks Jason!
	@ 2012-04-15 6:04 PM (#7154 - in reply to #7096) (#7154) Top
rajeshk Posts: 542 Country : India	rajeshk posted @ 2012-04-15 6:04 PM Thanks Rishi for the great set of puzzles created by you. I really enjoyed it participating in this.
	@ 2012-04-15 6:08 PM (#7155 - in reply to #7154) (#7155) Top
purifire Posts: 460 Country : India	purifire posted @ 2012-04-15 6:08 PM Thanks Rajesh!
	@ 2012-04-15 6:21 PM (#7156 - in reply to #7096) (#7156) Top
flk Posts: 23 Country : Australia	flk posted @ 2012-04-15 6:21 PM Thanks for the test, most enjoyable. Also thanks to those who responded above.
	@ 2012-04-15 10:29 PM (#7157 - in reply to #7096) (#7157) Top
rajeshk Posts: 542 Country : India	rajeshk posted @ 2012-04-15 10:29 PM I am not able to see results. It shows the players which participated but not any score. Is there anyone else facing the same problem?
	@ 2012-04-15 10:30 PM (#7158 - in reply to #7157) (#7158) Top
purifire Posts: 460 Country : India	purifire posted @ 2012-04-15 10:30 PM rajeshk - 2012-04-15 10:29 PM I am not able to see results. It shows the players which participated but not any score. Is there anyone else facing the same problem? Deb will look into it Rajesh. I think everyone is facing that problem.
	@ 2012-04-16 8:17 AM (#7159 - in reply to #7096) (#7159) Top
rajeshk Posts: 542 Country : India	rajeshk posted @ 2012-04-16 8:17 AM Thanks Rishi for your super quick reply. I am able to see the results now.
	@ 2012-04-16 11:44 AM (#7161 - in reply to #7159) (#7161) Top
purifire Posts: 460 Country : India	purifire posted @ 2012-04-16 11:44 AM The Results page has been corrected and you can now see the results. Apologies for any inconvenience. Rishi
	@ 2012-04-16 2:47 PM (#7162 - in reply to #7161) (#7162) Top
prasanna16391 Posts: 1801 Country : India	prasanna16391 posted @ 2012-04-16 2:47 PM Still disappointed I messed up a chance for completion, but quite happy if it stays like this :P Great Killers, I can easily say, my favorite Sudoku test on LMI, but I guess I'm biased with liking Killers and all. Thanks Rishi :)