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Sprint Test — LMI Sep Puzzle Test — 3rd and 4th September80 posts • Page 1 of 4 • 1 2 3 4
How frequently you would want to see Sprint tests at LMI?
The aim of the Sprint test is to have relatively easier and less number of puzzles so that many more players can complete the full set. Please let us know if we should have more Sprint tests at LMI.
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Once in a month22 Votes - [47.83%]
Once in a quarter18 Votes - [39.13%]
Once in 6 months5 Votes - [10.87%]
Once in a year1 Votes - [2.17%]
Never. This should be the last Sprint Test.0 Votes - [0%]
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@ 2011-08-30 1:21 PM (#5490 - in reply to #5455) (#5490) Top

Ours brun




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Ours brun posted @ 2011-08-30 1:21 PM

Thanks for all the suggestions. Indeed, for this test we wanted to avoid bonus systems which would have needed to change the interface; so we have decided to stay on something quite simple but, I hope, more fair than the previous system. It will be made of two parts :

1) a player who finishes early, either with 14 or 15 correct puzzles, will get 3 bonus points per minute.
2) additionally, if all the 15 puzzles are correct and whatever the remaining time is, the player will get a fixed 25 points bonus.

This way, nobody should loose more than 25 points (the puzzle points excepted) on a single typo.

The points distribution is close from what we could get with Thomas' suggestion of deducing a fixed number of minutes ; the main difference being that this way, there remains a significative difference between two players finishing with a few minutes saved, one with 15 puzzles and the other one with 14.

An updated version of the instruction booklet should probably be available in some time.
@ 2011-08-30 1:41 PM (#5491 - in reply to #5490) (#5491) Top

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Ours brun posted @ 2011-08-30 1:41 PM

An updated version of the instruction booklet IS available.
@ 2011-09-02 11:30 AM (#5495 - in reply to #5455) (#5495) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-09-02 11:30 AM

A small note about Akari. It is only necessary to enter the column position of left most light bulb for each row.

For the following grid, answer key is BABDACB. Same rule for Star Battle.

@ 2011-09-02 9:02 PM (#5496 - in reply to #5455) (#5496) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-09-02 9:02 PM

The submission page was showing target time of 60 minutes for all players with rating < 500. This was a typo and has been fixed. Thanks Fred76 for reporting.

Note that target time is just for display purpose. For everyone, submissions will be allowed until 75 minutes, irrespective of the target time.
@ 2011-09-02 9:13 PM (#5497 - in reply to #5455) (#5497) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2011-09-02 9:13 PM

Puzzle Booklet uploaded. It has 8 pages. Each page has 2 puzzles, except the last page. There is no header page.

Flash submission enabled too.
@ 2011-09-02 9:37 PM (#5498 - in reply to #5496) (#5498) Top

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Fred76 posted @ 2011-09-02 9:37 PM

debmohanty - 2011-09-02 9:02 PM

The submission page was showing target time of 60 minutes for all players with rating < 500. This was a typo and has been fixed. Thanks Fred76 for reporting.

Note that target time is just for display purpose. For everyone, submissions will be allowed until 75 minutes, irrespective of the target time.


So, now my target time is 75 minutes, but what about my target points
@ 2011-09-03 12:11 AM (#5499 - in reply to #5455) (#5499) Top

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Ours brun posted @ 2011-09-03 12:11 AM

In your case, your target points are exactly equal to your number of posts on LMI forum.

Now if you are wise, you will not answer this.
@ 2011-09-03 2:33 AM (#5500 - in reply to #5499) (#5500) Top

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Fred76 posted @ 2011-09-03 2:33 AM

Ours brun - 2011-09-03 12:11 AM

Now if you are wise, you will not answer this.


you know me: you know that I am wise
@ 2011-09-03 6:15 AM (#5502 - in reply to #5455) (#5502) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2011-09-03 6:15 AM

Score page link - http://logicmastersindia.com/M201109P/score.asp

As usual, please use the score page to settle all claims
@ 2011-09-03 7:52 AM (#5503 - in reply to #5455) (#5503) Top

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thesubro posted @ 2011-09-03 7:52 AM

For Fortress, the Answer Key instructions advise: "Write the length of separate white cell blocks in the marked rows and/or columns (write 0 if there is none). The answer for the example would be 1, 1."

Frankly, its a bad noninstructive example. If there were 2 separate white cells of length 1 in the first row, should the answer have been 11, 1 (a one for each separate white cell block) or 2, 1 (providing the aggregate "length of the separate white cell blocks")

Thanks.
@ 2011-09-03 8:01 AM (#5504 - in reply to #5455) (#5504) Top

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thesubro posted @ 2011-09-03 8:01 AM

For Galaxies, the Answer Key instructions advise: "Write the length of distinct regions parts in the marked rows and/or columns."

Just as in Heyawacky, symmetrical "galaxies" can double back on themselves and have arms or legs separated by other galaxies. In such instances should the answer reflect each portion of a multi-part single galaxy by the length of its aggregate distinct parts, or each portion separately?

Thanks.

Edited by thesubro 2011-09-03 8:02 AM
@ 2011-09-03 8:13 AM (#5505 - in reply to #5455) (#5505) Top

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figonometry posted @ 2011-09-03 8:13 AM

Does anyone know of a good tutorial for how to do Heyawake? That is easily my biggest blind spot now when it comes to puzzles. I managed to get everything else on this test solved (and mostly correct!) near my target time, but never finished the Heyawake. I've been practicing them, and still it's rare for me to finish one.
@ 2011-09-03 8:27 AM (#5506 - in reply to #5504) (#5506) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-09-03 8:27 AM

thesubro - 2011-09-03 8:01 AM

For Galaxies, the Answer Key instructions advise: "Write the length of distinct regions parts in the marked rows and/or columns."

Just as in Heyawacky, symmetrical "galaxies" can double back on themselves and have arms or legs separated by other galaxies. In such instances should the answer reflect each portion of a multi-part single galaxy by the length of its aggregate distinct parts, or each portion separately?

Thanks.
In that case, you still need to enter the "different" number of galaxies.
@ 2011-09-03 8:45 AM (#5507 - in reply to #5455) (#5507) Top

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anderson posted @ 2011-09-03 8:45 AM

As for having fun, this test was certainly a lot of fun. Thanks a bunch for the elegant puzzles, Ours brun! :)

And the test was definitely doable in the time allotted, but that didn't prevent me from breaking a puzzle because I couldn't count to 3, restarting, getting to the final step, and then wondering for 5 minutes why it didn't have a unique solution, again because I missed something and couldn't count to 3. I ended up not solving it. Oops.
@ 2011-09-03 10:08 AM (#5508 - in reply to #5503) (#5508) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-09-03 10:08 AM

thesubro - 2011-09-03 7:52 AM

For Fortress, the Answer Key instructions advise: "Write the length of separate white cell blocks in the marked rows and/or columns (write 0 if there is none). The answer for the example would be 1, 1."

Frankly, its a bad noninstructive example. If there were 2 separate white cells of length 1 in the first row, should the answer have been 11, 1 (a one for each separate white cell block) or 2, 1 (providing the aggregate "length of the separate white cell blocks")

Thanks.
It should be 11,1
Note that several puzzles in this test use the same mechanism for answer key. Please check NURIKABE, HEYAWACKY, HORSE SNAKE, LITS
@ 2011-09-03 10:33 AM (#5509 - in reply to #5455) (#5509) Top

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thesubro posted @ 2011-09-03 10:33 AM

As usual, LMI is the the top site for online puzzle test fun, both in terms of the quality of the test taking mechanisms as well as the product. Thanks for all of the hours that the puzzle creators (By Bastien « Ours brun » Vial-Jaime) and Deb put into these efforts.

With that all said, I personally stink at Galaxies and Snake puzzles, so I was not looking forward to them on the test - and my concerns were accurate. I guess I will need to wait for a treatise to be published by Motris or MellowMelon so that I can advance my puzzle career.

Folks, great fun again. Thanks so much.

TheSubro
@ 2011-09-03 8:19 PM (#5510 - in reply to #5455) (#5510) Top

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pribaros posted @ 2011-09-03 8:19 PM

i dont see the password and Pdf can not open, anyone knows? (my time is started, immediate pleasee :) )
@ 2011-09-03 8:28 PM (#5511 - in reply to #5510) (#5511) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-09-03 8:28 PM

pribaros - 2011-09-03 8:19 PM

i dont see the password and Pdf can not open, anyone knows? (my time is started, immediate pleasee :) )

The password is shown below the timer. If you still can't see the password, send me a message


@ 2011-09-03 8:31 PM (#5512 - in reply to #5511) (#5512) Top

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pribaros posted @ 2011-09-03 8:31 PM

ahh sooo, ok i see thanx for reply
@ 2011-09-03 9:24 PM (#5514 - in reply to #5502) (#5514) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2011-09-03 9:24 PM

Administrator - 2011-09-03 6:15 AM

As usual, please use the score page to settle all claims
All claims will be looked into. Sometimes, it might take a while.
Please check your forum inbox for updates.
@ 2011-09-04 6:53 AM (#5516 - in reply to #5455) (#5516) Top

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kiwijam posted @ 2011-09-04 6:53 AM

Will the Hall of Fame entries be based on how much better than the Target Time you achieved?
Sure we want to know who was fastest overall, but the same names are always seen on the podium.
Here is a rare chance for the normal puzzlers to achieve a small amount of glory! :)
@ 2011-09-04 11:36 PM (#5517 - in reply to #5455) (#5517) Top

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motris posted @ 2011-09-04 11:36 PM

My pulse is racing more than on any other test. Waiting till the end to do all the typing didn't help. Many good designs and definitely "sprint" was the captured feel. Thanks Bastien!
@ 2011-09-05 12:59 AM (#5518 - in reply to #5517) (#5518) Top

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MellowMelon posted @ 2011-09-05 12:59 AM

Yeah, I can concur with having the pulse racing. Although here, that took the place of the huge amount of sweat I've started to feel all over me after finishing a 90+ minute test.
@ 2011-09-05 6:25 AM (#5519 - in reply to #5455) (#5519) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-09-05 6:25 AM

With no one participating now, Sprint test is over. MellowMelon (33:51), motris (34:05), xevs (37:48) take the top 3 positions. Their timings are extremely close (note that xevs took 3.5 minutes to recheck all answers before hitting 'Claim Bonus'). All of them and 3 more in top 10 are well ahead of their 'target' time.

Thank you everyone for participating and for voting in the poll. It is important for us to know what everyone expects.

Some stats :
Total number of participants : 264
Number of non-zero scores : 210
Number of players claiming bonus : 41
Number of players getting bonus : 36
Number of players submitting all 15, but not claiming bonus : 4
Number of players with all 15 correct: 29
Number of players with 14 correct: 19

Median Score : 110

@ 2011-09-05 6:36 AM (#5520 - in reply to #5455) (#5520) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-09-05 6:36 AM

Please post any feedback you might have regarding the test
  • Length of the test
  • Difficulty of puzzles
  • Complexity of puzzles
  • Number of puzzles
Bastien will share his thoughts some time later in the day.
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