Country : India | Administrator posted @ 2010-10-02 7:16 PM Logic Masters India announces October Puzzle Test 1 — Nikoli Selection Date : 9th and 10th October Puzzle Types : 15 Selected puzzle types from nikoli.com — 18 main puzzles + 3 Marathon puzzles Author : Tom "detuned" Collyer Length : 100 minutes IB and Submission Link : http://logicmastersindia.com/M201010P1 |
@ 2010-10-03 12:20 PM (#2023 - in reply to #2014) (#2023) Top | |
Posts: 40 Country : China | Minfang Lin posted @ 2010-10-03 12:20 PM Chinese translation of rules are available on http://www.sudokufans.org.cn/forums/index.php?showtopic=118 |
@ 2010-10-03 2:36 PM (#2024 - in reply to #2023) (#2024) Top | |
Posts: 774 Country : India | rakesh_rai posted @ 2010-10-03 2:36 PM I am unable to understand the Hitori answer key with respect to the given example. |
@ 2010-10-03 2:42 PM (#2026 - in reply to #2024) (#2026) Top | |
Country : India | Administrator posted @ 2010-10-03 2:42 PM rakesh_rai - 2010-10-03 2:36 PM answer key should be 21022. Updated in IB.I am unable to understand the Hitori answer key with respect to the given example. |
@ 2010-10-03 2:48 PM (#2027 - in reply to #2014) (#2027) Top | |
Posts: 774 Country : India | rakesh_rai posted @ 2010-10-03 2:48 PM For LITS, does "consecutive" mean "connected" squares? "Consecutive" normally means four squares through which a single continuous path can be drawn. In that case, we cannot make a T with consecutive squares. |
@ 2010-10-03 4:08 PM (#2028 - in reply to #2027) (#2028) Top | |
Country : India | Administrator posted @ 2010-10-03 4:08 PM Yes, it is "connected". |
@ 2010-10-04 1:35 PM (#2034 - in reply to #2014) (#2034) Top | |
Posts: 63 Country : United Kingdom | David McNeill posted @ 2010-10-04 1:35 PM Is it possible to provide a link to a "real" Suraromu puzzle? I have never seen one of these before and do not subscribe to nikoli. Thank you, David McNeill. |
@ 2010-10-04 1:42 PM (#2035 - in reply to #2034) (#2035) Top | |
Country : India | debmohanty posted @ 2010-10-04 1:42 PM Tom had shared few links with us http://www.nikoli.co.jp/en/puzzles/suraromu/ http://mathgrant.blogspot.com/search/label/Circumnavi-Gates http://mathgrant.blogspot.com/2009/12/rules-circumnavi-gates.html (for Rule) Hope that helps. A slight variation : http://mellowmelon.wordpress.com/category/puzzle-types/slalom/ |
@ 2010-10-04 9:28 PM (#2043 - in reply to #2014) (#2043) Top | |
Posts: 739 Country : India | vopani posted @ 2010-10-04 9:28 PM Can we solve the three marathon puzzles before the 1st 18? |
@ 2010-10-04 10:29 PM (#2046 - in reply to #2043) (#2046) Top | |
Posts: 349 Country : India | amitsowani posted @ 2010-10-04 10:29 PM Yes you can, but it might be preferable to solve the 18 basic puzzles first to ensure a time bonus. |
@ 2010-10-04 10:56 PM (#2049 - in reply to #2014) (#2049) Top | |
Posts: 542 Country : India | rajeshk posted @ 2010-10-04 10:56 PM For the LITS puzzle, do we need to use all the pieces i.e L, I, T, S at least once? |
@ 2010-10-04 10:59 PM (#2050 - in reply to #2049) (#2050) Top | |
Posts: 349 Country : India | amitsowani posted @ 2010-10-04 10:59 PM It is not necessary to use all pieces. The rules do not require that. |
@ 2010-10-05 5:04 AM (#2054 - in reply to #2043) (#2054) Top | |
Country : India | debmohanty posted @ 2010-10-05 5:04 AM Rohan Rao - 2010-10-04 9:28 PM As mentioned in the IB, The "point value" of a main puzzle > The "point value" of a marathon puzzle > The "point value" of time bonus Can we solve the three marathon puzzles before the 1st 18? [ "Point Value" is points you get for spending a minute ] To secure more points, you should be doing the main puzzles first. |
@ 2010-10-05 2:13 PM (#2063 - in reply to #2054) (#2063) Top | |
Posts: 774 Country : India | rakesh_rai posted @ 2010-10-05 2:13 PM For Numberlink, does every cell need to be filled? The rules currently do not say so, but it seems to be implied (indirectly) as the answer key has no mention of blank cells. The IB mentions marathon puzzles as "...finest tradition of fold out Nikoli puzzles..." - What is meant by fold out puzzles? Does it mean large puzzles which exceed the regular page size? |
@ 2010-10-05 2:23 PM (#2064 - in reply to #2063) (#2064) Top | |
Country : India | debmohanty posted @ 2010-10-05 2:23 PM rakesh_rai - 2010-10-05 2:13 PM Lets wait till Tom comments on this tomorrow. In the meantime I suggest take a look this wonderful analysis by Tom on using-all-cells-in-NumberLink For Numberlink, does every cell need to be filled? The rules currently do not say so, but it seems to be implied (indirectly) as the answer key has no mention of blank cells. http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/tcollyer/entry/friday_puzzles_71/ Also, the very very nice primer by mellowmelon on how to solve Numberlinks : http://mellowmelon.wordpress.com/2010/07/24/numberlink-primer/ rakesh_rai - 2010-10-05 2:13 PM The IB mentions marathon puzzles as "...finest tradition of fold out Nikoli puzzles..." - What is meant by fold out puzzles? Does it mean large puzzles which exceed the regular page size? I myself have never seen traditional "fold-out" Nikoli puzzles. I'll be surely interested in seeing one, if anyone can share. But, yes, the "marathon" puzzles are little larger than the "main" puzzles :-) |
@ 2010-10-05 8:53 PM (#2067 - in reply to #2014) (#2067) Top | |
Posts: 199 Country : United States | motris posted @ 2010-10-05 8:53 PM Nikoli's main magazine is about 15cm by 25 cm which is good for having several "standard" puzzles on a page but not always for very large puzzles, so each one has a fold-out page with two extra large puzzles that is 30 cm by 25 cm. Nikoli puzzles come in certain standard sizes, so types like Masyu tend to be 10x10 or 18x10 or 17x17 in white cells. A fold-out puzzle is 64x50 typically, and takes at least an hour for the "expert time" (Nikoli puzzles come with time ratings sometimes). I have a feeling these are not true fold-out puzzles, but are certainly very large. There is an intermediate size - what I'd call a "full-page" Nikoli puzzle - which are 31x45. A whole magazine, "Giants", has just full-page and fold-out puzzles and is my favorite thing to purchase since each puzzle is very carefully constructed but takes awhile to solve. Nikoli has also released 2 "poster" sized kakuro (124 x 90) and slitherlink (178 x 128), which are quite formidable challenges, probably taking at least a day if not a week to finish, considering possible mistakes. See here: Large Kakuro |
@ 2010-10-06 9:25 AM (#2068 - in reply to #2067) (#2068) Top | |
Posts: 774 Country : India | rakesh_rai posted @ 2010-10-06 9:25 AM Thanks Deb and MoTriS. The links on numberlink were quite a good read. Hopefully, it will help me (and many others) to solve the numberlink in the coming LMI puzzle test. Also, after looking at the picture of the kakuro poster, the slim chances of trying even one of the marathon puzzles have become even slimmer. No partial bonus this time? |
@ 2010-10-06 2:40 PM (#2069 - in reply to #2064) (#2069) Top | |
Posts: 152 Country : United Kingdom | detuned posted @ 2010-10-06 2:40 PM rakesh_rai - 2010-10-05 2:13 PM For Numberlink, does every cell need to be filled? The rules currently do not say so, but it seems to be implied (indirectly) as the answer key has no mention of blank cells. There is no requirement that all cells need to be used for numberlink, and there are plenty of examples where all squares haven't been used, however I'd say it's pretty likely that all the cells will be used in the answer keys at least, given that oversight. If you read MellowMelon's primer, you can decide for yourself whether this extra information will be of any practical use. :) The "marathon puzzles" are big enough to sensibly fill an A4 page, without being too small. Motris is right in assuming they are big, but not THAT big. |
@ 2010-10-07 8:30 PM (#2081 - in reply to #2068) (#2081) Top | |
Country : India | Administrator posted @ 2010-10-07 8:30 PM rakesh_rai - 2010-10-06 9:25 AM No partial bonus this time? After discussing with Tom, this is what we decided. Keeping in mind that WPC is only few weeks away where you *mostly* get 0 for a wrong answer, there is no partial bonus this time. Also the bonus system is already fairly complex with the marathon puzzles. |
@ 2010-10-08 12:01 PM (#2082 - in reply to #2014) (#2082) Top | |
Country : India | debmohanty posted @ 2010-10-08 12:01 PM Announcements 1. For HEYAWAKE in main section - The answer key will be different that what it is specified in the IB New Answer key: Enter the number of shaded cells in the 3th row, followed by the number of shaded cells in the 3rd column. For the example the answer is 0,2 2. For HEYAWAKE in marathon section The answer key is same as what it was mentioned in the IB. Enter the number of shaded cells in the marked rooms. 3. For Kakuro (both main and marathon section) Instead of rows / columns, some sums will be marked. Players need to enter the digits for them. Answer Key : Digits in marked horizontal sum 11, followed by digits in marked vertical Sum 24 For the example posted above : The answer is 5132, 798 |
@ 2010-10-08 12:58 PM (#2085 - in reply to #2014) (#2085) Top | |
Country : India | Administrator posted @ 2010-10-08 12:58 PM The puzzle booklet will be uploaded around mid-night (IST). For all puzzles where rows and columns are to be entered - they will be explicitly marked in the puzzle booklet by arrows. The puzzles in the booklet will be sorted in ascending order of points. P01 - Numberlink P02 - Hashi P03 - Sudoku P04 - Surarumo P05 - Akari P06 - Masyu P07 - Fillomino P08 - Hitori P09 - Slitherlink P10 - Shikaku P11 - Yajilin P12 - Nurikabe P13 - Kakuro P14 - Yajilin P15 - Heyawake P16 - LITS P17 - Nurikabe P18 - Slitherlink |
@ 2010-10-09 12:56 AM (#2089 - in reply to #2014) (#2089) Top | |
Country : India | Administrator posted @ 2010-10-09 12:56 AM Password protected pdfs uploaded. Note that the marathon puzzles are in a separate pdf. Password for marathon pdf is different than main puzzle pdf. Both passwords will be displayed after you start the test edited by debmohanty at 2010-10-09 6:20 PM |
@ 2010-10-09 4:08 AM (#2090 - in reply to #2089) (#2090) Top | |
Posts: 152 Country : United Kingdom | detuned posted @ 2010-10-09 4:08 AM At this point, I'd just like to thank all the help and support I got from Deb and testers - absolutely top stuff guys and this wouldn't have happened without you! |
@ 2010-10-09 6:25 AM (#2091 - in reply to #2014) (#2091) Top | |
Country : India | Administrator posted @ 2010-10-09 6:25 AM "Nikoli Selection" has started. All the best to everyone. |
@ 2010-10-09 3:24 PM (#2093 - in reply to #2091) (#2093) Top | |
Posts: 349 Country : India | amitsowani posted @ 2010-10-09 3:24 PM We would like to apologize for mistakes in some of the puzzles. 1) The LITS image in the pdf is incorrect. We have uploaded an updated pdf. So all participants who are yet to participate please download the updated version. 2) The Nurikabe 10X10 puzzle is incorrect. 3) The Numberlinks puzzle has multiple solutions. 4) The Heyawake marathon puzzle is incorrect. Extremely sorry for participants have already taken the test. I am sure you must have had a great time solving the rest of the puzzles. Hope it will serve as great practice for the WPC. Password for marathon pdf is different than main puzzle pdf. Both passwords will be displayed after you start the test |