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@ 2011-11-19 2:57 AM (#5979 - in reply to #5978) (#5979) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2011-11-19 2:57 AM

Announcements

1. Puzzle Booklet uploaded. As mentioned in IB, it has 17 pages including a cover page
2. Partial Bonus : Players submitting 24 puzzles with 1 or 2 typos will be given 3 points per minutes saved
@ 2011-11-19 8:55 AM (#5983 - in reply to #5957) (#5983) Top

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Errabee posted @ 2011-11-19 8:55 AM

In Majilin, if a white circle is blackened, does it behave like a black circle or like a white circle? So, does the path have to make a turn, or go straight?
@ 2011-11-19 9:11 AM (#5984 - in reply to #5983) (#5984) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-11-19 9:11 AM

Errabee - 2011-11-19 8:55 AM

In Majilin, if a white circle is blackened, does it behave like a black circle or like a white circle? So, does the path have to make a turn, or go straight?

If any circle is blackened, the loop does not pass through that cell.

So, it is not like some of the Masyu variations we have seen where white circles become black circles.
@ 2011-11-19 6:32 PM (#5986 - in reply to #5957) (#5986) Top

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jamesj11 posted @ 2011-11-19 6:32 PM

Administrator - 2011-11-13 1:40 PM






@ 2011-11-19 7:36 PM (#5987 - in reply to #5986) (#5987) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-11-19 7:36 PM

All point claims made till this point are settled. Refresh score page to see the updates.

Edited by debmohanty 2011-11-19 7:36 PM
@ 2011-11-19 8:24 PM (#5988 - in reply to #5957) (#5988) Top

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neerajmehrotra posted @ 2011-11-19 8:24 PM

Thanks a lot for such a nice set of puzzles...
@ 2011-11-20 12:18 PM (#5991 - in reply to #5957) (#5991) Top

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fractaled posted @ 2011-11-20 12:18 PM

Nice puzzles. If answer corrections are being taken, I mis-entered my solution to #6a. For the B cell I entered the shape in the region, not the shape in the cell.
@ 2011-11-20 12:37 PM (#5992 - in reply to #5957) (#5992) Top

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thesubro posted @ 2011-11-20 12:37 PM

Great set of challenging puzzles.
I was very bothered though by having to keep protecting the light gray lettering everywhere so I would not overlook a letter in a sequence. Slowed me down ever so slightly, and was constantly in my head. Not my favored choice of solution method.
@ 2011-11-20 1:10 PM (#5993 - in reply to #5957) (#5993) Top

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davep posted @ 2011-11-20 1:10 PM

Enjoyed the puzzles, as always -- interesting concept (fusing the puzzles). Best wishes, Dave

Edited by davep 2011-11-20 1:11 PM
@ 2011-11-20 2:51 PM (#5999 - in reply to #5983) (#5999) Top

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anurag posted @ 2011-11-20 2:51 PM

'some cells (and not circles) will be blackened ' would have been much better.
I like fishermen at war and kropkuro..wonderful combi. but hey,whats common b/w akari and nansuke? Is the akari logic going to help fill in nansuke in
anyway, or viceversa? Or they are independent (that would be dull)..And i cant imagine finding quick openings in LITS square! I have same question about Majilin that i have about akari.Any help in progress?

Edited by anurag 2011-11-20 2:53 PM
@ 2011-11-20 3:04 PM (#6000 - in reply to #5999) (#6000) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2011-11-20 3:04 PM

anurag - 2011-11-20 2:51 PM

'some cells (and not circles) will be blackened ' would have been much better.

Better in what sense?
@ 2011-11-20 3:14 PM (#6001 - in reply to #5957) (#6001) Top

anurag



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anurag posted @ 2011-11-20 3:14 PM

better in making sense to the contestant.It was confusing.
@ 2011-11-20 3:14 PM (#6002 - in reply to #5957) (#6002) Top

anurag



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anurag posted @ 2011-11-20 3:14 PM

better in making sense to the contestant.It was confusing.
@ 2011-11-20 7:26 PM (#6003 - in reply to #5957) (#6003) Top

ch1983



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ch1983 posted @ 2011-11-20 7:26 PM

Hi, thanks for this great test.
I liked the puzzles a lot, although for the first time I had problems with the solution code: I really had to search for the very hiding letters of the alphabet (in Yajilin for example my loop goes once straight over the letter so that it got invisible). And to be able to read the Kakuro-clues I had to install another printer.
Nevertheless a very good test.
@ 2011-11-20 7:47 PM (#6004 - in reply to #6003) (#6004) Top

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yureklis posted @ 2011-11-20 7:47 PM

Great test Tawan. Your puzzle are really enjoyable, and the idea is very elegant! Thanks for your puzzles!
@ 2011-11-20 10:33 PM (#6005 - in reply to #5957) (#6005) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2011-11-20 10:33 PM

Really nice test. My only problem is that I solve on computer using paint and stuff, so in the fusion ones I had to use two different tools and keep switching, which put me in a state of confusion throughout the test :P Hopefully I'll get a printer soon...
@ 2011-11-20 11:57 PM (#6006 - in reply to #5957) (#6006) Top

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motris posted @ 2011-11-20 11:57 PM

Beautiful puzzles (the kind of twisted classics I wish the WPC had).

Horrible answer entry mechanisms. I had to look back at the pdf in almost all cases where gray letters were used.
@ 2011-11-21 3:30 AM (#6008 - in reply to #5957) (#6008) Top

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Akuma21 posted @ 2011-11-21 3:30 AM

Very nice test!
Can someone send me the entire solution of Searchdoku?
@ 2011-11-21 3:31 AM (#6009 - in reply to #6006) (#6009) Top

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StGeorge posted @ 2011-11-21 3:31 AM

motris - 2011-11-20 8:57 PM
Horrible answer entry mechanisms. I had to look back at the pdf in almost all cases where gray letters were used.


I had the same problem. I thought it was only an issue with my printer, but apparently I wasn't alone.

I only managed to solve 10 puzzles (got stuck on the majilin...) but they were very good. A lot of them combined types that I'm better at with ones I can barely do at all, which was a turnoff for the test because I didn't have time to practise, but with my rate of solving I didn't even get to them.

Good test, thank you.
@ 2011-11-21 6:20 AM (#6011 - in reply to #5957) (#6011) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-11-21 6:20 AM

No more participants at this time. But the score page is not frozen yet. As many players mentioned, answer keys were problematic. So we need some extra time to revisit all wrong submissions. I expect that the complete results will be out in 3 hours from now.
@ 2011-11-21 6:23 AM (#6012 - in reply to #6008) (#6012) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-11-21 6:23 AM

Akuma21 - 2011-11-21 3:30 AM

Very nice test!
Can someone send me the entire solution of Searchdoku?
Please check attachment.



(SearchDoku.png)



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Attachments SearchDoku.png (80KB - 3 downloads)
@ 2011-11-21 6:38 AM (#6013 - in reply to #5957) (#6013) Top

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motris posted @ 2011-11-21 6:38 AM

You've missed marking the key word BADMINTON which, without E's and not outside the grid, needs to be one of the sudoku diagonals. The all E exterior made for a very interesting puzzle; one of my favorites on this test.
@ 2011-11-21 8:56 AM (#6014 - in reply to #5957) (#6014) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-11-21 8:56 AM

Yes, I missed marking BADMINTON

Tawan has sent me the solution booklet, but this puzzle is missing there. This image is from my solving, and hence the missing line on BADMINTON.

Bit of story there. The original SearchDoku was too cumbersome and less interesting. I was discussing with Tawan to drop the puzzle from the set (the set as a whole looked very difficult to me even otherwise). But then Tawan came up with this very interesting puzzle within couple of hours, and there was no way we were excluding the new one. This one uses both the puzzles (Word Search and Sudoku) nicely. There is a clear logical path as motris shared. One of my favorites along with Anglers and Fishermen at War.

My only concern was (/is) language-neutrality of this puzzle. Just for completeness, the original puzzle used Swiss words.
@ 2011-11-21 9:33 AM (#6015 - in reply to #5957) (#6015) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-11-21 9:33 AM

Detailed results now available at - http://logicmastersindia.com/M201111P/score.asp

motris is one only player to have solved all 24 puzzles and he takes the first position. MellowMelon and xevs both have solved 22, they take the next two positions. The scores are very close after that.

243 players (a whopping 52 from the USA) participated in this test, and 194 players have got non zero scores. Thank you everyone for participating.

Thanks Tawan for an entertaining set of puzzles.
@ 2011-11-21 9:41 AM (#6016 - in reply to #5957) (#6016) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-11-21 9:41 AM

About answer key issues - The most apparent problem was the loop puzzles in Set7. With light grey letters being overwritten by the loop, many players missed couple of letters, especially I and J. As it can be seen from the score page, there are lot of manual overrides for these 3 puzzles.

I don't think the answer key itself was a problem there. We had used it rather successfully in 2010 Decathlon. The marking of the letters were the real culprit.
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