Thread - 2021 WS+PC Time Trials

@ 2021-11-11 7:22 PM (#29724 - in reply to #29698) (#29724)Quote Reply Top

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Kithyane posted @ 2021-11-11 7:22 PM

This part of the event remains very mysterious ! I guess it corresponds to the "Olympics" part of the main schedule ?

Will there be more informations published before the Opening Ceremony on these trials ? I mainly ask for scheduling purpose ^^

@ 2021-11-11 10:11 PM (#29726 - in reply to #29698) (#29726)Quote Reply Top

Administrator

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Administrator posted @ 2021-11-11 10:11 PM

A preliminary version of part one of the Instruction booklet can be found here - (edit - new version up. see below) (and on the main landing page). We are still working out the little things.

The time trials will run throughout the event in short intervals. Each will have separate winners.

@ 2021-11-12 1:19 AM (#29732 - in reply to #29698) (#29732)Quote Reply Top

ghirsch

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ghirsch posted @ 2021-11-12 1:19 AM

Within each 3 hour window, does it matter when we start the puzzle? E.g. will a 5-minute solve right at the start of the window be considered equal to a 5-minute solve that is started halfway through?

@ 2021-11-12 6:23 AM (#29734 - in reply to #29698) (#29734)Quote Reply Top

prasanna16391

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2021-11-12 6:23 AM

Note: A new version of the IB is up, the change is the answer key to Archery. New link - https://www.worldpuzzle.org/files/106/timetrials%20part%20one%20IB%2...

@ 2021-11-12 7:29 AM (#29736 - in reply to #29732) (#29736)Quote Reply Top

tamz29

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tamz29 posted @ 2021-11-12 7:29 AM

Hello,

No. Time starts at the same time for everyone globally.
Think of it has 33 LIVE events - this is a nod to Nikoli Time Trials from back in the day.
I understand it will be impossible to participate in all events, but we've tried to spread it out so people can give some a go.

@ 2021-11-12 9:30 AM (#29737 - in reply to #29732) (#29737)Quote Reply Top

Administrator

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Administrator posted @ 2021-11-12 9:30 AM

ghirsch - 2021-11-12 1:19 AM

Within each 3 hour window, does it matter when we start the puzzle? E.g. will a 5-minute solve right at the start of the window be considered equal to a 5-minute solve that is started halfway through?

To add to what Tawan mentioned above, there will not be any "Start Button" for these puzzles. For every participant, the start time will be recorded as the same time the puzzle goes LIVE.

@ 2021-11-12 3:43 PM (#29742 - in reply to #29698) (#29742)Quote Reply Top

Dux

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Dux posted @ 2021-11-12 3:43 PM

For the Archery puzzle in the instruction booklet, I believe the solution is not uniqe: 17,29 and 19,27 also seems valid to me.

@ 2021-11-12 7:54 PM (#29745 - in reply to #29736) (#29745)Quote Reply Top

tamz29

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tamz29 posted @ 2021-11-12 7:54 PM

The first Time Trials is starting in a few hours.

This is the first experiment with LIVE contests on LMI so we hope things go smoothly.

Before the gun fire; we suggest you familiarize yourself with the rules and answer keys and have the PDF loaded and ready. The password will be dropped for everyone at the same time. For those solving online; there will be a button that says Penpa Link which will take you to Penpa.

No answer checking is enabled. You will still have to submit answers on LMI.

The PDF file also has a shortened link underneath the puzzle. You can also access the link by copying the URL there.Though clicking the Penpa button will be faster.

Happy puzzling!

@ 2021-11-12 9:09 PM (#29748 - in reply to #29698) (#29748)Quote Reply Top

swaroop2011

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2021-11-12 9:09 PM

This is by no means an exhaustive list but some tips to help with Penpa+ tool/site for everyone.
PDF link - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Cy_T1mRBst6Wsx99O_bZwnJGMpomMz-w/vi...
If any questions, feel free to post here.

@ 2021-11-13 2:26 AM (#29777 - in reply to #29698) (#29777)Quote Reply Top

prasanna16391

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2021-11-13 2:26 AM

The first time Trial Puzzle Booklet is available to download. The password will show up at start time.
link - https://logicmastersindia.com/live/?contest=WSPC2021_T01

@ 2021-11-13 2:59 AM (#29778 - in reply to #29698) (#29778)Quote Reply Top

EctoPlasma

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EctoPlasma posted @ 2021-11-13 2:59 AM

Shoot, I didn't know the word "LIVE" in the IB meant a contest with a fixed starting time. I was pretty lucky to have found out this fact only 1 minute after the beginning, but I suspect a lot others might have missed it due to the same misunderstanding...

@ 2021-11-13 3:14 AM (#29779 - in reply to #29698) (#29779)Quote Reply Top

EctoPlasma

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EctoPlasma posted @ 2021-11-13 3:14 AM

Also when and how are the results going to drop?

@ 2021-11-13 3:17 AM (#29780 - in reply to #29698) (#29780)Quote Reply Top

prasanna16391

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2021-11-13 3:17 AM

We were a little concerned about the load on the website and wanted to see how it performs. Refreshing of the results page is a large part of that traffic so we played it safe. We'll run the numbers and release results soon.

@ 2021-11-13 4:19 AM (#29782 - in reply to #29698) (#29782)Quote Reply Top

prasanna16391

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2021-11-13 4:19 AM

The Score Page is now live. We have installed a 2 hour cooldown to control frequent refreshing. Also, we have not implemented the penalties yet, so wrong submissions will be adjusted later.

@ 2021-11-13 6:44 AM (#29784 - in reply to #29698) (#29784)Quote Reply Top

Timjamiller

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Timjamiller posted @ 2021-11-13 6:44 AM

There is a time error in the instruction booklet. When it says EST 20:00, it should read EST 22:00. This happens across multiple days.

@ 2021-11-13 7:21 AM (#29785 - in reply to #29784) (#29785)Quote Reply Top

tamz29

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tamz29 posted @ 2021-11-13 7:21 AM

Timjamiller - 2021-11-13 6:44 AM

There is a time error in the instruction booklet. When it says EST 20:00, it should read EST 22:00. This happens across multiple days.

You are right. This escaped me, I will get a new schedule posted.

@ 2021-11-13 2:22 PM (#29793 - in reply to #29698) (#29793)Quote Reply Top

prasanna16391

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2021-11-13 2:22 PM

Time Trial 3: Wrestling starts in 8 minutes. Link - https://logicmastersindia.com/live/?contest=WSPC2021_T03

@ 2021-11-13 3:11 PM (#29796 - in reply to #29698) (#29796)Quote Reply Top

prasanna16391

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2021-11-13 3:11 PM

The fixed schedule is up as a separate PDF here - https://www.worldpuzzle.org/files/106/schedule%20time%20trials%20fix... and is reflected on the landing page too.

To avoid confusion you can also check the Progress link at the top right of the home page which counts down to the start of or end of each event.

@ 2021-11-13 9:11 PM (#29807 - in reply to #29698) (#29807)Quote Reply Top

Kithyane

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Kithyane posted @ 2021-11-13 9:11 PM

Field Hockey puzzle PDF is not available yet, does it still start at 16:00 GMT ?

Edited by Kithyane 2021-11-13 9:16 PM

@ 2021-11-13 9:18 PM (#29808 - in reply to #29807) (#29808)Quote Reply Top

Wendy

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Wendy posted @ 2021-11-13 9:18 PM

Yes! It will be uploaded right now!

@ 2021-11-13 9:18 PM (#29809 - in reply to #29807) (#29809)Quote Reply Top

Wendy

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Wendy posted @ 2021-11-13 9:18 PM

Yes! We will upload it now!

@ 2021-11-13 9:19 PM (#29810 - in reply to #29807) (#29810)Quote Reply Top

prasanna16391

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2021-11-13 9:19 PM

It should be available now. Link - https://logicmastersindia.com/live/?contest=WSPC2021_T04
And yes, it starts as scheduled :)

@ 2021-11-13 9:19 PM (#29811 - in reply to #29698) (#29811)Quote Reply Top

Kithyane

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Kithyane posted @ 2021-11-13 9:19 PM

Thanks :)

@ 2021-11-13 9:46 PM (#29813 - in reply to #29698) (#29813)Quote Reply Top

apiad

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apiad posted @ 2021-11-13 9:46 PM

Archery: 1. Is 29+17, 19+27 a possible answer for the example problem? 2. Can we have the same number in the different boards?

@ 2021-11-13 10:21 PM (#29816 - in reply to #29813) (#29816)Quote Reply Top

greenhorn

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greenhorn posted @ 2021-11-13 10:21 PM

Archery: 1. Is 29+17, 19+27 a possible answer for the example problem? 2. Can we have the same number in the different boards?

1. Yes, it is a possible answer. Sorry, the example is not unique.
2. Yes, you can. You just cannot hit the same number on the same board.

Edited by greenhorn 2021-11-13 10:21 PM


	@ 2021-11-11 7:22 PM (#29724 - in reply to #29698) (#29724)Quote Reply Top
Kithyane Posts: 49 Country : France	Kithyane posted @ 2021-11-11 7:22 PM This part of the event remains very mysterious ! I guess it corresponds to the "Olympics" part of the main schedule ? Will there be more informations published before the Opening Ceremony on these trials ? I mainly ask for scheduling purpose ^^
	@ 2021-11-11 10:11 PM (#29726 - in reply to #29698) (#29726)Quote Reply Top
Administrator Country : India	Administrator posted @ 2021-11-11 10:11 PM A preliminary version of part one of the Instruction booklet can be found here - (edit - new version up. see below) (and on the main landing page). We are still working out the little things. The time trials will run throughout the event in short intervals. Each will have separate winners.
	@ 2021-11-12 1:19 AM (#29732 - in reply to #29698) (#29732)Quote Reply Top
ghirsch Posts: 102 Country : United States	ghirsch posted @ 2021-11-12 1:19 AM Within each 3 hour window, does it matter when we start the puzzle? E.g. will a 5-minute solve right at the start of the window be considered equal to a 5-minute solve that is started halfway through?
	@ 2021-11-12 6:23 AM (#29734 - in reply to #29698) (#29734)Quote Reply Top
prasanna16391 Posts: 1801 Country : India	prasanna16391 posted @ 2021-11-12 6:23 AM Note: A new version of the IB is up, the change is the answer key to Archery. New link - https://www.worldpuzzle.org/files/106/timetrials%20part%20one%20IB%2...
	@ 2021-11-12 7:29 AM (#29736 - in reply to #29732) (#29736)Quote Reply Top
tamz29 Posts: 225 Country : Thailand	tamz29 posted @ 2021-11-12 7:29 AM Hello, No. Time starts at the same time for everyone globally. Think of it has 33 LIVE events - this is a nod to Nikoli Time Trials from back in the day. I understand it will be impossible to participate in all events, but we've tried to spread it out so people can give some a go.
	@ 2021-11-12 9:30 AM (#29737 - in reply to #29732) (#29737)Quote Reply Top
Administrator Country : India	Administrator posted @ 2021-11-12 9:30 AM ghirsch - 2021-11-12 1:19 AM Within each 3 hour window, does it matter when we start the puzzle? E.g. will a 5-minute solve right at the start of the window be considered equal to a 5-minute solve that is started halfway through? To add to what Tawan mentioned above, there will not be any "Start Button" for these puzzles. For every participant, the start time will be recorded as the same time the puzzle goes LIVE.
	@ 2021-11-12 3:43 PM (#29742 - in reply to #29698) (#29742)Quote Reply Top
Dux Posts: 3 Country : The Netherlands	Dux posted @ 2021-11-12 3:43 PM For the Archery puzzle in the instruction booklet, I believe the solution is not uniqe: 17,29 and 19,27 also seems valid to me.
	@ 2021-11-12 7:54 PM (#29745 - in reply to #29736) (#29745)Quote Reply Top
tamz29 Posts: 225 Country : Thailand	tamz29 posted @ 2021-11-12 7:54 PM The first Time Trials is starting in a few hours. This is the first experiment with LIVE contests on LMI so we hope things go smoothly. Before the gun fire; we suggest you familiarize yourself with the rules and answer keys and have the PDF loaded and ready. The password will be dropped for everyone at the same time. For those solving online; there will be a button that says Penpa Link which will take you to Penpa. No answer checking is enabled. You will still have to submit answers on LMI. The PDF file also has a shortened link underneath the puzzle. You can also access the link by copying the URL there.Though clicking the Penpa button will be faster. Happy puzzling!
	@ 2021-11-12 9:09 PM (#29748 - in reply to #29698) (#29748)Quote Reply Top
swaroop2011 Posts: 668 Country : India	swaroop2011 posted @ 2021-11-12 9:09 PM This is by no means an exhaustive list but some tips to help with Penpa+ tool/site for everyone. PDF link - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Cy_T1mRBst6Wsx99O_bZwnJGMpomMz-w/vi... If any questions, feel free to post here.
	@ 2021-11-13 2:26 AM (#29777 - in reply to #29698) (#29777)Quote Reply Top
prasanna16391 Posts: 1801 Country : India	prasanna16391 posted @ 2021-11-13 2:26 AM The first time Trial Puzzle Booklet is available to download. The password will show up at start time. link - https://logicmastersindia.com/live/?contest=WSPC2021_T01
	@ 2021-11-13 2:59 AM (#29778 - in reply to #29698) (#29778)Quote Reply Top
EctoPlasma Posts: 23 Country : Japan	EctoPlasma posted @ 2021-11-13 2:59 AM Shoot, I didn't know the word "LIVE" in the IB meant a contest with a fixed starting time. I was pretty lucky to have found out this fact only 1 minute after the beginning, but I suspect a lot others might have missed it due to the same misunderstanding...
	@ 2021-11-13 3:14 AM (#29779 - in reply to #29698) (#29779)Quote Reply Top
EctoPlasma Posts: 23 Country : Japan	EctoPlasma posted @ 2021-11-13 3:14 AM Also when and how are the results going to drop?
	@ 2021-11-13 3:17 AM (#29780 - in reply to #29698) (#29780)Quote Reply Top
prasanna16391 Posts: 1801 Country : India	prasanna16391 posted @ 2021-11-13 3:17 AM We were a little concerned about the load on the website and wanted to see how it performs. Refreshing of the results page is a large part of that traffic so we played it safe. We'll run the numbers and release results soon.
	@ 2021-11-13 4:19 AM (#29782 - in reply to #29698) (#29782)Quote Reply Top
prasanna16391 Posts: 1801 Country : India	prasanna16391 posted @ 2021-11-13 4:19 AM The Score Page is now live. We have installed a 2 hour cooldown to control frequent refreshing. Also, we have not implemented the penalties yet, so wrong submissions will be adjusted later.
	@ 2021-11-13 6:44 AM (#29784 - in reply to #29698) (#29784)Quote Reply Top
Timjamiller Posts: 54 Country : United States	Timjamiller posted @ 2021-11-13 6:44 AM There is a time error in the instruction booklet. When it says EST 20:00, it should read EST 22:00. This happens across multiple days.
	@ 2021-11-13 7:21 AM (#29785 - in reply to #29784) (#29785)Quote Reply Top
tamz29 Posts: 225 Country : Thailand	tamz29 posted @ 2021-11-13 7:21 AM Timjamiller - 2021-11-13 6:44 AM There is a time error in the instruction booklet. When it says EST 20:00, it should read EST 22:00. This happens across multiple days. You are right. This escaped me, I will get a new schedule posted.
	@ 2021-11-13 2:22 PM (#29793 - in reply to #29698) (#29793)Quote Reply Top
prasanna16391 Posts: 1801 Country : India	prasanna16391 posted @ 2021-11-13 2:22 PM Time Trial 3: Wrestling starts in 8 minutes. Link - https://logicmastersindia.com/live/?contest=WSPC2021_T03
	@ 2021-11-13 3:11 PM (#29796 - in reply to #29698) (#29796)Quote Reply Top
prasanna16391 Posts: 1801 Country : India	prasanna16391 posted @ 2021-11-13 3:11 PM The fixed schedule is up as a separate PDF here - https://www.worldpuzzle.org/files/106/schedule%20time%20trials%20fix... and is reflected on the landing page too. To avoid confusion you can also check the Progress link at the top right of the home page which counts down to the start of or end of each event.
	@ 2021-11-13 9:11 PM (#29807 - in reply to #29698) (#29807)Quote Reply Top
Kithyane Posts: 49 Country : France	Kithyane posted @ 2021-11-13 9:11 PM Field Hockey puzzle PDF is not available yet, does it still start at 16:00 GMT ? Edited by Kithyane 2021-11-13 9:16 PM
	@ 2021-11-13 9:18 PM (#29808 - in reply to #29807) (#29808)Quote Reply Top
Wendy Posts: 10 Country : China	Wendy posted @ 2021-11-13 9:18 PM Yes! It will be uploaded right now!
	@ 2021-11-13 9:18 PM (#29809 - in reply to #29807) (#29809)Quote Reply Top
Wendy Posts: 10 Country : China	Wendy posted @ 2021-11-13 9:18 PM Yes! We will upload it now!
	@ 2021-11-13 9:19 PM (#29810 - in reply to #29807) (#29810)Quote Reply Top
prasanna16391 Posts: 1801 Country : India	prasanna16391 posted @ 2021-11-13 9:19 PM It should be available now. Link - https://logicmastersindia.com/live/?contest=WSPC2021_T04 And yes, it starts as scheduled :)
	@ 2021-11-13 9:19 PM (#29811 - in reply to #29698) (#29811)Quote Reply Top
Kithyane Posts: 49 Country : France	Kithyane posted @ 2021-11-13 9:19 PM Thanks :)
	@ 2021-11-13 9:46 PM (#29813 - in reply to #29698) (#29813)Quote Reply Top
apiad Posts: 2 Country : China	apiad posted @ 2021-11-13 9:46 PM Archery: 1. Is 29+17, 19+27 a possible answer for the example problem? 2. Can we have the same number in the different boards?
	@ 2021-11-13 10:21 PM (#29816 - in reply to #29813) (#29816)Quote Reply Top
greenhorn Posts: 164 Country : Slovakia	greenhorn posted @ 2021-11-13 10:21 PM Archery: 1. Is 29+17, 19+27 a possible answer for the example problem? 2. Can we have the same number in the different boards? 1. Yes, it is a possible answer. Sorry, the example is not unique. 2. Yes, you can. You just cannot hit the same number on the same board. Edited by greenhorn 2021-11-13 10:21 PM