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@ 2015-08-26 5:22 PM (#19180 - in reply to #19178) (#19180) Top

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kishy72 posted @ 2015-08-26 5:22 PM

lenson - 2015-08-26 1:58 PM

So coming in the top 3 alone is not sufficient to make it to the A team; they need to be 1st.



Coming 1st is a sufficient condition, not a necessary condition.


Your first post suggested quite the contrary of what you stated now.That's why I clarified.Obviously, it is apparent from my posts that being 1st is not a pre-requisite.A top 3 slot alone is sufficient for a wild card for someone out of India during offline finals.
@ 2015-08-26 5:51 PM (#19182 - in reply to #19179) (#19182) Top

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rajeshk posted @ 2015-08-26 5:51 PM

prasanna16391 - 2015-08-26 5:18 PM

Also,
"This reasoning looks good. However one point we should also keep in mind that there is one more wild card for best performing player at WSC/WPC. Now suppose after WSC/WPC the top player who has already got wild card for Team A decides not to contest further in SM online rounds. In this case top-3 player will not be including best player at WSC/WPC and in actual 3rd ranked player may be 4th best player. In this case this rule will be more disappointing for the 4th player if the score gap between rank 3 and rank 4 is very less."

I don't understand this. The team is of 4 players. So even if X is the 4th best player in India, he deserves to be on the team right? Gap being less between rankings will always be disappointing, even if these two competitors went to the offline finals and competed.


Lets assume A, B, C, D and E are top 5 players. "A" being the best player at WSC/WPC 2015 decides not to compete in SM as he/she has got wild card entry for WSC/WPC 2016. Now assume that at the end of 8 rounds in March 2106 ranks of B, C, D and E are 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th respectively. Gap between the 3rd ranked D and 4th ranked E is very less.
There is great possibility that after 4 months during offline final in July 2016 E can score better than D. However if D is given wild card entry because of this rule, then B, C and E will be fighting for top 2 slots to be in team. So at this point of time E is better than D but still can't make it to team if he/she can't beat B or C.
In the same case in case E is able to beat B or C. then B or C is not part of team even though B or C is able to beat D in online competition.
Hope it make it clear or should I give you call to explain this :)
@ 2015-08-26 6:11 PM (#19185 - in reply to #19182) (#19185) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2015-08-26 6:11 PM

rajeshk - 2015-08-26 5:51 PM

Lets assume A, B, C, D and E are top 5 players. "A" being the best player at WSC/WPC 2015 decides not to compete in SM as he/she has got wild card entry for WSC/WPC 2016. Now assume that at the end of 8 rounds in March 2106 ranks of B, C, D and E are 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th respectively. Gap between the 3rd ranked D and 4th ranked E is very less.
There is great possibility that after 4 months during offline final in July 2016 E can score better than D. However if D is given wild card entry because of this rule, then B, C and E will be fighting for top 2 slots to be in team. So at this point of time E is better than D but still can't make it to team if he/she can't beat B or C.
In the same case in case E is able to beat B or C. then B or C is not part of team even though B or C is able to beat D in online competition.



Its not that I didn't understand the scenario, its that I didn't (and don't) understand how that can be defined into the rules or why it is a problem only in this set of rules. This same scenario applies to ISC/TSC every year, be it 4 months or 2 months or 2 weeks between rounds. What is a defined amount of time for a player to improve? Have the best 4 of ISC/IPC always been the best 4 at the WSC/WPC? The moment you say, in a given amount of time, D could become better than C, that statement could be true no matter what the amount of time is, and how C and D are chosen. It relies more on individuals varying, than establishing/defining a system. It is the exact same as me saying that C could improve even beyond A and B and be good enough to be World Champion. It could happen, but it doesn't help defining a rule. In the end, for the rules what we can establish is, at a given point of time, A is better than B, and so gets on the team. That is the case every year, no matter the format, unless we have an offline ISC a few days before the WSC.
@ 2015-08-26 6:54 PM (#19186 - in reply to #19185) (#19186) Top

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amitsowani posted @ 2015-08-26 6:54 PM

One more point for organising the event in this format is that we want participants hopeful of making it to the national team to participate around the year. So even the wild cards (toppers from previous WSC/WPC) need to participate in as many of the tournaments as possible to justify their wild card position.
And so you will see Rohan participating in the Sudoku Mahabharat and Prasanna in the Puzzle Ramayan's


Also we definitely want all the top participants to definitely participate in the offline finals and are planning to sponsor travel for top X (number yet to be finalized) participants for the finals. This however will not be possible for Indian participants abroad. Hence the special rule is in place.



@ 2015-10-02 8:05 PM (#19545 - in reply to #18769) (#19545) Top

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rajeshk posted @ 2015-10-02 8:05 PM

Sorry to re-start this discussion again. There is no such rule which specifies that best players at WSC/WPC 2015 will have to participate in SM/PR.
Currently we are giving two wild card entries. One for best players at WSC/WPC 2015 and another for top 3 NRI player. My suggestion is both these wild card can be given based upon performance in SM/PR. One for best player at SM/PR and another for top 3 NRI player after 8 rounds . This format will force best players at WSC/WPC 2015 to participate in SM/PR and hence continuous improve his/her performance as well making PR/SM more competitive.
@ 2015-10-02 11:57 PM (#19546 - in reply to #19545) (#19546) Top

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vopani posted @ 2015-10-02 11:57 PM

rajeshk - 2015-10-02 8:05 PM

Sorry to re-start this discussion again. There is no such rule which specifies that best players at WSC/WPC 2015 will have to participate in SM/PR.

That's right. There is a reason. We're hoping the best Indian at WSC/WPC will most probably be part of the organizing team for SM/PR. It is very difficult and demanding for Deb to organize everything alone. In fact, it is almost certain that he does not have time/bandwidth to organize it himself, especially the finals.
Hence, that player will not be able to participate in the finals, and rightly receives a wild card for next year.

Currently we are giving two wild card entries. One for best players at WSC/WPC 2015 and another for top 3 NRI player. My suggestion is both these wild card can be given based upon performance in SM/PR. One for best player at SM/PR and another for top 3 NRI player after 8 rounds . This format will force best players at WSC/WPC 2015 to participate in SM/PR and hence continuous improve his/her performance as well making PR/SM more competitive.

I think you have misunderstood this. 'Two' wild card entries are not guaranteed.
If none of the top-3 Indians in SM/PR are living abroad, there will not be wild card for these players.

Also, I'm sure all the WC participants from India are going to participate in all the SM/PR rounds (except maybe Rishi).
@ 2015-10-03 12:33 AM (#19547 - in reply to #19546) (#19547) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2015-10-03 12:33 AM

Rohan Rao - 2015-10-02 11:57 PM

That's right. There is a reason. We're hoping the best Indian at WSC/WPC will most probably be part of the organizing team for SM/PR. It is very difficult and demanding for Deb to organize everything alone. In fact, it is almost certain that he does not have time/bandwidth to organize it himself, especially the finals.
Hence, that player will not be able to participate in the finals, and rightly receives a wild card for next year.



Adding to this, we also shouldn't have a system that is fully dependent on one person, whoever that person is. If that person is unable, then what? We cancel it? I am sure that is not good for competitiveness of SM/PR. So it is best to have a team, even if it is only a team of 2.

Also, the wildcard is given for best WSC/WPC performer because that is the final hurdle and it is, in a way, a reward for someone who has done well while representing their country in that final hurdle. The NRI wildcard is given to preserve the team strength in a special case scenario. The two goals are completely different, where one is a reward of sorts (I say of sorts, because as Rohan said, it is a hope that this person also helps in organization) and the other is a necessity to an extent. So there need not be a uniformity in the reasons for these wildcards.
@ 2015-10-03 1:18 AM (#19548 - in reply to #18769) (#19548) Top

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rajeshk posted @ 2015-10-03 1:18 AM

Thanks Rohan and Prasanna for explaining it in detail.
@ 2015-11-02 12:29 AM (#19749 - in reply to #18769) (#19749) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2015-11-02 12:29 AM

Update - Wild Card

Following his impressive 7th place finish in the 10th World Sudoku Championship in Sofia, Bulgaria, Prasanna Seshadri gets a wildcard into the Indian A team for the 11th WSC in Slovakia, and won't be eligible for the Sudoku Mahabharat leader-board and finals.

@ 2015-11-02 12:34 AM (#19751 - in reply to #18769) (#19751) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2015-11-02 12:34 AM

Update - Scoring system

After the first 3 rounds, we have noticed that it is very difficult to maintain a consistent difficulty level across rounds. This means, under the current scoring system, some rounds will become discards by default, which negates the discard advantages. So, we have decided to alter the scoring system to scale the scores in comparison to the best score for each round, starting at 100 and going lower. For the Sudoku Mahabharat rankings, it will be the best Indian score among eligible players. For the International rankings it will be the best score in the round.



@ 2015-11-02 10:20 AM (#19753 - in reply to #18769) (#19753) Top

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@ 2016-01-27 5:23 PM (#20823 - in reply to #18769) (#20823) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2016-01-27 5:23 PM

Points table updated after excluding worst two rounds.

Indians: http://logicmastersindia.com/SM/2015-16-ranks.asp
International: http://logicmastersindia.com/SM/2015-16-ranks.asp?all=1
@ 2016-02-16 3:27 PM (#21015 - in reply to #18769) (#21015) Top

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@ 2016-02-26 8:05 AM (#21115 - in reply to #18769) (#21115) Top

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sanket.saxena posted @ 2016-02-26 8:05 AM

When will the finals venue and dates be decided?

Edited by sanket.saxena 2016-02-26 8:08 AM
@ 2016-02-26 3:14 PM (#21118 - in reply to #21115) (#21118) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2016-02-26 3:14 PM

sanket.saxena - 2016-02-26 8:05 AM

When will the finals venue and dates be decided?


We are working on it. Since we plan for the finals to be around July (based on last year we wanted participants to have enough time after the 8 rounds to decide and finalize their trip), I think its not a problem if the announcement takes a while longer.
@ 2016-03-15 6:33 AM (#21263 - in reply to #18769) (#21263) Top

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@ 2016-05-03 7:28 PM (#21635 - in reply to #18769) (#21635) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2016-05-03 7:28 PM

Venue and details for offline finals


Please check here for the venue, dates, participation fee, and other necessary details about the offline finals of Sudoku Mahabharat & ISC 2016 here - http://logicmastersindia.com/SM/2015-16sm-pr-finals.asp
Please note that the top 50 of SM can also participate in day two's Puzzle Ramayan event.
An email will be sent to the qualifiers shortly with an invite letter containing the same details.
Feel free to post any queries you may have here.


@ 2016-05-04 1:07 AM (#21637 - in reply to #18769) (#21637) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2016-05-04 1:07 AM

Mails have been sent to the top 50 of SM. Please check your spam if you don't see it in your inbox and give us a reply.
@ 2016-05-16 2:00 PM (#21650 - in reply to #18769) (#21650) Top

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rajgupta83 posted @ 2016-05-16 2:00 PM

Hi Can you please let me know when is TIMES SUDOKU CHAMPIONSHIP Going to held this year???....Sorry to post the query here
@ 2016-05-16 10:09 PM (#21651 - in reply to #18769) (#21651) Top

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rakysh posted @ 2016-05-16 10:09 PM

Hi! I am new to LMI & I was unaware of Sudoku Mahabharat these all so, can I participate in SUDOKU MAHABHARAT finals which are going to held on july this year, and I am ready to give any test before that.Please help.
@ 2016-05-17 11:01 AM (#21652 - in reply to #21651) (#21652) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2016-05-17 11:01 AM

rajgupta83 - 2016-05-16 2:00 PM

Hi Can you please let me know when is TIMES SUDOKU CHAMPIONSHIP Going to held this year???....Sorry to post the query here


If its not announced yet, that generally means its not confirmed yet :)

rakysh - 2016-05-16 10:09 PM

Hi! I am new to LMI & I was unaware of Sudoku Mahabharat these all so, can I participate in SUDOKU MAHABHARAT finals which are going to held on july this year, and I am ready to give any test before that.Please help.


Hi, welcome to LMI! We planned the Sudoku Mahabharat and Puzzle Ramayan events with 8 online rounds to encourage regular participation among Indians. Rewarding regularity is important to us. Also, it is unfair to participants who were told they needed to do 8 rounds to qualify and also unfair to those beyond the top 50 who didn't qualify if we grant entry to newcomers at this stage.

However, I suggest that you use this time to train and improve yourself because if you are new to LMI, then odds are you are new to variations and the difficulty that exists at the National level. With some hard work you can improve and maybe get a really good rank in future competitions. You can download all the online rounds of Sudoku Mahabharat as well as other LMI contests here - http://logicmastersindia.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=60&st... . Practice them and see how you fair at solving them. Feel free to ask doubts and queries on the forum if you are stuck at a particular variant or something. There will be more National level events coming up both this year and next year, probably including the Times Championship the other member asked about above, so you will surely get a chance to participate at some point, and its better to start preparing for that even if you were too late this time.
@ 2016-05-24 12:30 PM (#21664 - in reply to #18769) (#21664) Top

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mikeylyk posted @ 2016-05-24 12:30 PM

great answer (i'm a 3 yr newbie, and that is exactly what to say)
@ 2016-06-08 9:17 AM (#21670 - in reply to #21664) (#21670) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2016-06-08 9:17 AM

List of confirmed participants for the Finals (so far)

Last updated on 15th June 2016



@ 2016-06-09 5:55 AM (#21671 - in reply to #18769) (#21671) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2016-06-09 5:55 AM

Preliminary version of the Instruction booklet of Sudoku Mahabharat (Day 1) has been sent to participants.
@ 2016-06-15 4:50 PM (#21676 - in reply to #21670) (#21676) Top

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