Its not that I didn't understand the scenario, its that I didn't (and don't) understand how that can be defined into the rules or why it is a problem only in this set of rules. This same scenario applies to ISC/TSC every year, be it 4 months or 2 months or 2 weeks between rounds. What is a defined amount of time for a player to improve? Have the best 4 of ISC/IPC always been the best 4 at the WSC/WPC? The moment you say, in a given amount of time, D could become better than C, that statement could be true no matter what the amount of time is, and how C and D are chosen. It relies more on individuals varying, than establishing/defining a system. It is the exact same as me saying that C could improve even beyond A and B and be good enough to be World Champion. It could happen, but it doesn't help defining a rule. In the end, for the rules what we can establish is, at a given point of time, A is better than B, and so gets on the team. That is the case every year, no matter the format, unless we have an offline ISC a few days before the WSC.

One more point for organising the event in this format is that we want participants hopeful of making it to the national team to participate around the year. So even the wild cards (toppers from previous WSC/WPC) need to participate in as many of the tournaments as possible to justify their wild card position.
And so you will see Rohan participating in the Sudoku Mahabharat and Prasanna in the Puzzle Ramayan's


Also we definitely want all the top participants to definitely participate in the offline finals and are planning to sponsor travel for top X (number yet to be finalized) participants for the finals. This however will not be possible for Indian participants abroad. Hence the special rule is in place.

Sorry to re-start this discussion again. There is no such rule which specifies that best players at WSC/WPC 2015 will have to participate in SM/PR.
Currently we are giving two wild card entries. One for best players at WSC/WPC 2015 and another for top 3 NRI player. My suggestion is both these wild card can be given based upon performance in SM/PR. One for best player at SM/PR and another for top 3 NRI player after 8 rounds . This format will force best players at WSC/WPC 2015 to participate in SM/PR and hence continuous improve his/her performance as well making PR/SM more competitive.

That's right. There is a reason. We're hoping the best Indian at WSC/WPC will most probably be part of the organizing team for SM/PR. It is very difficult and demanding for Deb to organize everything alone. In fact, it is almost certain that he does not have time/bandwidth to organize it himself, especially the finals.
Hence, that player will not be able to participate in the finals, and rightly receives a wild card for next year.


I think you have misunderstood this. 'Two' wild card entries are not guaranteed.
If none of the top-3 Indians in SM/PR are living abroad, there will not be wild card for these players.

Also, I'm sure all the WC participants from India are going to participate in all the SM/PR rounds (except maybe Rishi).

Adding to this, we also shouldn't have a system that is fully dependent on one person, whoever that person is. If that person is unable, then what? We cancel it? I am sure that is not good for competitiveness of SM/PR. So it is best to have a team, even if it is only a team of 2.

Also, the wildcard is given for best WSC/WPC performer because that is the final hurdle and it is, in a way, a reward for someone who has done well while representing their country in that final hurdle. The NRI wildcard is given to preserve the team strength in a special case scenario. The two goals are completely different, where one is a reward of sorts (I say of sorts, because as Rohan said, it is a hope that this person also helps in organization) and the other is a necessity to an extent. So there need not be a uniformity in the reasons for these wildcards.

Thanks Rohan and Prasanna for explaining it in detail.

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Points table updated after excluding worst two rounds.

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Ranks updated after Converse Variations

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When will the finals venue and dates be decided?

Edited by sanket.saxena 2016-02-26 8:08 AM

We are working on it. Since we plan for the finals to be around July (based on last year we wanted participants to have enough time after the 8 rounds to decide and finalize their trip), I think its not a problem if the announcement takes a while longer.

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Hi Can you please let me know when is TIMES SUDOKU CHAMPIONSHIP Going to held this year???....Sorry to post the query here

Hi! I am new to LMI & I was unaware of Sudoku Mahabharat these all so, can I participate in SUDOKU MAHABHARAT finals which are going to held on july this year, and I am ready to give any test before that.Please help.

If its not announced yet, that generally means its not confirmed yet :)



Hi, welcome to LMI! We planned the Sudoku Mahabharat and Puzzle Ramayan events with 8 online rounds to encourage regular participation among Indians. Rewarding regularity is important to us. Also, it is unfair to participants who were told they needed to do 8 rounds to qualify and also unfair to those beyond the top 50 who didn't qualify if we grant entry to newcomers at this stage.

However, I suggest that you use this time to train and improve yourself because if you are new to LMI, then odds are you are new to variations and the difficulty that exists at the National level. With some hard work you can improve and maybe get a really good rank in future competitions. You can download all the online rounds of Sudoku Mahabharat as well as other LMI contests here - http://logicmastersindia.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=60&st... . Practice them and see how you fair at solving them. Feel free to ask doubts and queries on the forum if you are stuck at a particular variant or something. There will be more National level events coming up both this year and next year, probably including the Times Championship the other member asked about above, so you will surely get a chance to participate at some point, and its better to start preparing for that even if you were too late this time.

great answer (i'm a 3 yr newbie, and that is exactly what to say)

Preliminary version of the Instruction booklet of Sudoku Mahabharat (Day 1) has been sent to participants.

Updated list

Final version of SM IB has been sent to confirmed participants.