@ 2023-07-05 2:21 AM (#31750 - in reply to #31709) (#31750) TopPosts: 4
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Soni posted @ 2023-07-05 2:21 AM
- Can we have this thread be linked from somewhere prominent within the expo itself
- Can the search expo puzzles function for time (Best solving time etc) be actual time format instead of number? I cant see how to input MM:SS other than converting 0:15 to 0.25
- Can we have a thread to report incorrect timings? I started https://logicmastersindia.com/expo/?ppid=9sm-djs-gsv#timing-replay assuming it's easy (Best timing is 0:04) but it was not. Admins can manually remove anything from the thread that's clearly a bug
- Can the search expo puzzles function for time (Best solving time etc) be actual time format instead of number? I cant see how to input MM:SS other than converting 0:15 to 0.25
- Can we have a thread to report incorrect timings? I started https://logicmastersindia.com/expo/?ppid=9sm-djs-gsv#timing-replay assuming it's easy (Best timing is 0:04) but it was not. Admins can manually remove anything from the thread that's clearly a bug
@ 2023-07-05 10:10 AM (#31751 - in reply to #31750) (#31751) Top
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Administrator posted @ 2023-07-05 10:10 AM
Menderbug - 2023-07-04 4:43 PM
Loving Expo so far! Two suggestions:
- A link directly from the expo page to this thread would be good (unless I'm just blind and it's already there).
Loving Expo so far! Two suggestions:
- A link directly from the expo page to this thread would be good (unless I'm just blind and it's already there).
Soni - 2023-07-05 2:21 AM
- Can we have this thread be linked from somewhere prominent within the expo itself
We have now added a "Help" menu at top of each of the Expo pages. Once of the submenus point to this thread.- Can we have this thread be linked from somewhere prominent within the expo itself
@ 2023-07-05 10:13 AM (#31752 - in reply to #31743) (#31752) TopCountry : India
Administrator posted @ 2023-07-05 10:13 AM
Realshaggy - 2023-07-04 7:16 PM
Suggestion: Remove "Puzzles under review" from the lists of recently published puzzles (all/unsolved). Or at least give them an icon.
Have added an icon to Recently published puzzles. As posted earlier, have removed them from "unsolved" list.Suggestion: Remove "Puzzles under review" from the lists of recently published puzzles (all/unsolved). Or at least give them an icon.
Thank you so much for sharing very helpful suggestions.
@ 2023-07-05 9:50 PM (#31759 - in reply to #31709) (#31759) TopPosts: 69
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Realshaggy posted @ 2023-07-05 9:50 PM
The "List of Standard Puzzles/Examples..." has a different header than the other pages (in particular it is missing the freshly introduced "Help" menu, but also a few other options). Smae for some other pages. I can't see a system behind it. Maybe the header should be the same for all pages.
Edited by Realshaggy 2023-07-05 9:53 PM
Edited by Realshaggy 2023-07-05 9:53 PM
@ 2023-07-06 12:42 PM (#31761 - in reply to #31709) (#31761) TopPosts: 1
maxhenty4759 posted @ 2023-07-06 12:42 PM
Thanks
@ 2023-07-07 4:07 AM (#31767 - in reply to #31709) (#31767) TopPosts: 69
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Realshaggy posted @ 2023-07-07 4:07 AM
After having done a few more puzzles, it's still the most common mistake, that a puzzle is started with the wrong default tool (e.g. "Surface" in a Sudoku). It's easy to fix for the solver, but it still feels annoying, if it comes up again and again.
It's especially bad for newcomers who don't have experience with switching tools and don't even know what the best options are. Some of them are buried deep in the menu structure. E.g. for the Ring Ring, which is also set to "Surface" on default currently, my natural choice would be switching to "Special -> Loop -> Line or x", but I don't think a new user would find that.
Therefore I think the setters should be guided better into choosing the right default tool when publishing a puzzle.
One idea might be an (initially checked) checkbox "use appropriate default tool" or something like that in the submitting dialog. If the software is able to identify the puzzle as a standard type (e.g. a Sudoku of any kind or a shading puzzle), the default tool is switched to an appropriate option, regardless of what the user has set. It's still possible to uncheck it either for unknown types, or if the setter really has something different in mind.
It's just a rough idea though, I have no idea how this could work with Penpa Lite or user defined tool lists.
It's especially bad for newcomers who don't have experience with switching tools and don't even know what the best options are. Some of them are buried deep in the menu structure. E.g. for the Ring Ring, which is also set to "Surface" on default currently, my natural choice would be switching to "Special -> Loop -> Line or x", but I don't think a new user would find that.
Therefore I think the setters should be guided better into choosing the right default tool when publishing a puzzle.
One idea might be an (initially checked) checkbox "use appropriate default tool" or something like that in the submitting dialog. If the software is able to identify the puzzle as a standard type (e.g. a Sudoku of any kind or a shading puzzle), the default tool is switched to an appropriate option, regardless of what the user has set. It's still possible to uncheck it either for unknown types, or if the setter really has something different in mind.
It's just a rough idea though, I have no idea how this could work with Penpa Lite or user defined tool lists.
@ 2023-07-07 1:00 PM (#31770 - in reply to #31744) (#31770) TopPosts: 69
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Realshaggy posted @ 2023-07-07 1:00 PM
Administrator - 2023-07-05 3:52 PM
Thank you both. Nice suggestion about "Puzzles under review".
For "Recently published puzzles" : We will mark it is broken.
We have removed from "Recently published puzzles (Unsolved)" List.
Thank you both. Nice suggestion about "Puzzles under review".
For "Recently published puzzles" : We will mark it is broken.
We have removed from "Recently published puzzles (Unsolved)" List.
Thanks for the changes so far. I still have some small concerns with "Puzzles under review".
They are filtered now on the mainpage in the "unsolved puzzles" list and they have a symbol in the "recently published" list. But if I enter the list of unsolved puzzles via the main page, they are shown again and I can't distinguish them from currently available puzzles. Depending on my activity and the number of posted puzzles, this could lead to a situation where I have a handful of unsolved puzzles among a long list of "puzzles under review". And I have to click through all of them to find the ones I can still do.
For me it seems the list of "unsolved puzzles" entered from the main page is the most common way to navigate for "heavy users". At least for now and if they are not searching for something specific. And as long as the portal does not take off with dozens of puzzles per day, there will be enough people with near completion that have the same problem.
You might also consider deleting "Puzzles under review", if the reason does not get adressed by the author after a reasonable time. There are a few currently which should be easily fixable in a minute or so (they are just missing a proper answer check), meanwhile the author prefers publishing more puzzles.
@ 2023-07-07 6:15 PM (#31771 - in reply to #31709) (#31771) TopPosts: 69
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Realshaggy posted @ 2023-07-07 6:15 PM
I hope I'm not annoying with my suggestions and errors, but right now I'm assuming you want as much feedback as possible.
One more thing I've seen is that room outside the grid is sometimes taken into account when the grid size is determind. As an example look at the Skyscrapers (Cipher) by professorX. It is possible that this is a mistake during the setup in Penpa. But even then, if this is a common mistake, there is a question if there might be a better guidance for the setter.
Edited by Realshaggy 2023-07-07 6:16 PM
One more thing I've seen is that room outside the grid is sometimes taken into account when the grid size is determind. As an example look at the Skyscrapers (Cipher) by professorX. It is possible that this is a mistake during the setup in Penpa. But even then, if this is a common mistake, there is a question if there might be a better guidance for the setter.
Edited by Realshaggy 2023-07-07 6:16 PM
@ 2023-07-07 6:22 PM (#31772 - in reply to #31771) (#31772) TopCountry : India
Administrator posted @ 2023-07-07 6:22 PM
Realshaggy - 2023-07-07 6:15 PM
I hope I'm not annoying with my suggestions and errors, but right now I'm assuming you want as much feedback as possible.
Of course, all your postings have been genuinely helpful and they are more than welcome. I hope I'm not annoying with my suggestions and errors, but right now I'm assuming you want as much feedback as possible.
Just that sometimes it might take us some time to act/implement.
But, please be rest assured, all the feedback posted here are taken very seriously. Request continue to provide any kind of feedback/bugs, even if small ones.
@ 2023-07-09 6:51 AM (#31774 - in reply to #31767) (#31774) TopCountry : India
Administrator posted @ 2023-07-09 6:51 AM
Realshaggy - 2023-07-07 4:07 AM
After having done a few more puzzles, it's still the most common mistake, that a puzzle is started with the wrong default tool (e.g. "Surface" in a Sudoku). It's easy to fix for the solver, but it still feels annoying, if it comes up again and again.
It's especially bad for newcomers who don't have experience with switching tools and don't even know what the best options are. Some of them are buried deep in the menu structure. E.g. for the Ring Ring, which is also set to "Surface" on default currently, my natural choice would be switching to "Special -> Loop -> Line or x", but I don't think a new user would find that.
Therefore I think the setters should be guided better into choosing the right default tool when publishing a puzzle.
One idea might be an (initially checked) checkbox "use appropriate default tool" or something like that in the submitting dialog. If the software is able to identify the puzzle as a standard type (e.g. a Sudoku of any kind or a shading puzzle), the default tool is switched to an appropriate option, regardless of what the user has set. It's still possible to uncheck it either for unknown types, or if the setter really has something different in mind.
It's just a rough idea though, I have no idea how this could work with Penpa Lite or user defined tool lists.
After having done a few more puzzles, it's still the most common mistake, that a puzzle is started with the wrong default tool (e.g. "Surface" in a Sudoku). It's easy to fix for the solver, but it still feels annoying, if it comes up again and again.
It's especially bad for newcomers who don't have experience with switching tools and don't even know what the best options are. Some of them are buried deep in the menu structure. E.g. for the Ring Ring, which is also set to "Surface" on default currently, my natural choice would be switching to "Special -> Loop -> Line or x", but I don't think a new user would find that.
Therefore I think the setters should be guided better into choosing the right default tool when publishing a puzzle.
One idea might be an (initially checked) checkbox "use appropriate default tool" or something like that in the submitting dialog. If the software is able to identify the puzzle as a standard type (e.g. a Sudoku of any kind or a shading puzzle), the default tool is switched to an appropriate option, regardless of what the user has set. It's still possible to uncheck it either for unknown types, or if the setter really has something different in mind.
It's just a rough idea though, I have no idea how this could work with Penpa Lite or user defined tool lists.
We acknowledge the feedback and agree with it, we are discussing internally on the ways to improve this. However, as you have guessed, it is significant amount of change in Penpa, so it wll take a while before we can implement this.
@ 2023-07-09 8:40 AM (#31775 - in reply to #31770) (#31775) TopCountry : India
Administrator posted @ 2023-07-09 8:40 AM
Realshaggy - 2023-07-07 1:00 PM
They are filtered now on the mainpage in the "unsolved puzzles" list and they have a symbol in the "recently published" list. But if I enter the list of unsolved puzzles via the main page, they are shown again and I can't distinguish them from currently available puzzles. Depending on my activity and the number of posted puzzles, this could lead to a situation where I have a handful of unsolved puzzles among a long list of "puzzles under review". And I have to click through all of them to find the ones I can still do.
For me it seems the list of "unsolved puzzles" entered from the main page is the most common way to navigate for "heavy users". At least for now and if they are not searching for something specific. And as long as the portal does not take off with dozens of puzzles per day, there will be enough people with near completion that have the same problem.
For Under Review puzzles, we have added the same symbol in the list of unsolved puzzles. Hope it helps.They are filtered now on the mainpage in the "unsolved puzzles" list and they have a symbol in the "recently published" list. But if I enter the list of unsolved puzzles via the main page, they are shown again and I can't distinguish them from currently available puzzles. Depending on my activity and the number of posted puzzles, this could lead to a situation where I have a handful of unsolved puzzles among a long list of "puzzles under review". And I have to click through all of them to find the ones I can still do.
For me it seems the list of "unsolved puzzles" entered from the main page is the most common way to navigate for "heavy users". At least for now and if they are not searching for something specific. And as long as the portal does not take off with dozens of puzzles per day, there will be enough people with near completion that have the same problem.
Realshaggy - 2023-07-07 1:00 PM
You might also consider deleting "Puzzles under review", if the reason does not get adressed by the author after a reasonable time. There are a few currently which should be easily fixable in a minute or so (they are just missing a proper answer check), meanwhile the author prefers publishing more puzzles.
You are right about it. We are debating if we should allow authors to post new puzzles until their "Under Review" puzzles are fixed, OR if we should just delete the "Under Review" puzzles after a week.You might also consider deleting "Puzzles under review", if the reason does not get adressed by the author after a reasonable time. There are a few currently which should be easily fixable in a minute or so (they are just missing a proper answer check), meanwhile the author prefers publishing more puzzles.
@ 2023-07-09 8:49 AM (#31776 - in reply to #31750) (#31776) TopCountry : India
Administrator posted @ 2023-07-09 8:49 AM
Soni - 2023-07-05 2:21 AM
- Can the search expo puzzles function for time (Best solving time etc) be actual time format instead of number? I cant see how to input MM:SS other than converting 0:15 to 0.25
There is no plan to make this change. This filtering is not used much, as per the filtering log.- Can the search expo puzzles function for time (Best solving time etc) be actual time format instead of number? I cant see how to input MM:SS other than converting 0:15 to 0.25
@ 2023-07-09 1:03 PM (#31777 - in reply to #31776) (#31777) TopPosts: 4
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Soni posted @ 2023-07-09 1:03 PM
Administrator - 2023-07-09 8:49 AM
Soni - 2023-07-05 2:21 AM
- Can the search expo puzzles function for time (Best solving time etc) be actual time format instead of number? I cant see how to input MM:SS other than converting 0:15 to 0.25
There is no plan to make this change. This filtering is not used much, as per the filtering log.- Can the search expo puzzles function for time (Best solving time etc) be actual time format instead of number? I cant see how to input MM:SS other than converting 0:15 to 0.25
That's fair, but I think then the time filter should maybe be removed. Maybe the filtering is not used much because it's broken (and not vice versa), but either way I think the current filter is not very useful so might be better to remove.
Also, not sure where to give general LMI feedback but the "Forum updates" section of the LMI home page should be filtered to only have mod-approved messages. Right now obvious-spam things will show on the sidebar even though they will never be mod-approved
@ 2023-07-10 11:48 AM (#31780 - in reply to #31709) (#31780) TopPosts: 17
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Menderbug posted @ 2023-07-10 11:48 AM
It seems that the latest change to limit recently published puzzles by author has broken the "Hide Sudokus" filter.
Edit: also the extra puzzles from each other are not counted for the "N more unsolved puzzles" link.
Edited by Menderbug 2023-07-10 11:50 AM
Edit: also the extra puzzles from each other are not counted for the "N more unsolved puzzles" link.
Edited by Menderbug 2023-07-10 11:50 AM
@ 2023-07-10 1:15 PM (#31781 - in reply to #31709) (#31781) TopPosts: 17
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Menderbug posted @ 2023-07-10 1:15 PM
It's actually even weirder, it currently displays "-8 more unsolved puzzles" for me on desktop.
@ 2023-07-10 2:13 PM (#31782 - in reply to #31709) (#31782) TopPosts: 17
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Menderbug posted @ 2023-07-10 2:13 PM
The actual limit of two puzzles per author doesn't actually seem work properly either. This is my current list.
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Administrator posted @ 2023-07-10 2:27 PM
Menderbug - 2023-07-10 11:48 AM
It seems that the latest change to limit recently published puzzles by author has broken the "Hide Sudokus" filter.
Edit: also the extra puzzles from each other are not counted for the "N more unsolved puzzles" link.
Right, the "Hide Sudokus" filter was broken. Have fixed it now. Checking other issues that you have reported.It seems that the latest change to limit recently published puzzles by author has broken the "Hide Sudokus" filter.
Edit: also the extra puzzles from each other are not counted for the "N more unsolved puzzles" link.
@ 2023-07-10 2:33 PM (#31784 - in reply to #31782) (#31784) TopCountry : India
Administrator posted @ 2023-07-10 2:33 PM
Menderbug - 2023-07-10 2:13 PM
The actual limit of two puzzles per author doesn't actually seem work properly either. This is my current list.
If there are not enough puzzles after taking 2 from each author to make it 20 (as per your customizations), we start showing more from individual authors. The actual limit of two puzzles per author doesn't actually seem work properly either. This is my current list.
@ 2023-07-10 2:47 PM (#31785 - in reply to #31777) (#31785) TopCountry : India
Administrator posted @ 2023-07-10 2:47 PM
Soni - 2023-07-09 1:03 PM
Also, not sure where to give general LMI feedback but the "Forum updates" section of the LMI home page should be filtered to only have mod-approved messages. Right now obvious-spam things will show on the sidebar even though they will never be mod-approved
Fixed.Also, not sure where to give general LMI feedback but the "Forum updates" section of the LMI home page should be filtered to only have mod-approved messages. Right now obvious-spam things will show on the sidebar even though they will never be mod-approved
@ 2023-07-10 3:40 PM (#31787 - in reply to #31709) (#31787) TopPosts: 15
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bakpao posted @ 2023-07-10 3:40 PM
It would be nice if puzzles uploaded as example puzzles weren't treated as normal puzzles. Things I'm particularly thinking about are:
- Being able to see the (unsolved) puzzle without having started it on the puzzle page
- Being able to see the solution (by toggle?) without having to solve the puzzle
- (To a lesser extent and because of the above) perhaps no leaderboards/ratings on these puzzles
- (Also less important) an indication in the search engine that the puzzle is an example puzzle
The examples mainly serve to illustrate/explain a ruleset and being able to solve them should still be possible, but I think they would have much more value if you can see them before solving them.
This would also be in line with other platforms (puzz.link and puzzleduel come to mind) and most instruction booklets.
Apologies if any of this is already the case (I believe I'm the only one who has uploaded example puzzles so far so perhaps it's just something I'm not able to see/validate)
Edited by bakpao 2023-07-10 3:42 PM
- Being able to see the (unsolved) puzzle without having started it on the puzzle page
- Being able to see the solution (by toggle?) without having to solve the puzzle
- (To a lesser extent and because of the above) perhaps no leaderboards/ratings on these puzzles
- (Also less important) an indication in the search engine that the puzzle is an example puzzle
The examples mainly serve to illustrate/explain a ruleset and being able to solve them should still be possible, but I think they would have much more value if you can see them before solving them.
This would also be in line with other platforms (puzz.link and puzzleduel come to mind) and most instruction booklets.
Apologies if any of this is already the case (I believe I'm the only one who has uploaded example puzzles so far so perhaps it's just something I'm not able to see/validate)
Edited by bakpao 2023-07-10 3:42 PM
@ 2023-07-10 6:21 PM (#31788 - in reply to #31787) (#31788) TopCountry : India
Administrator posted @ 2023-07-10 6:21 PM
bakpao - 2023-07-10 3:40 PM
It would be nice if puzzles uploaded as example puzzles weren't treated as normal puzzles. Things I'm particularly thinking about are:
- Being able to see the (unsolved) puzzle without having started it on the puzzle page
- Being able to see the solution (by toggle?) without having to solve the puzzle
- (To a lesser extent and because of the above) perhaps no leaderboards/ratings on these puzzles
- (Also less important) an indication in the search engine that the puzzle is an example puzzle
The examples mainly serve to illustrate/explain a ruleset and being able to solve them should still be possible, but I think they would have much more value if you can see them before solving them.
This would also be in line with other platforms (puzz.link and puzzleduel come to mind) and most instruction booklets.
Apologies if any of this is already the case (I believe I'm the only one who has uploaded example puzzles so far so perhaps it's just something I'm not able to see/validate)
All valid points, somehow we missed to implement this. It would be nice if puzzles uploaded as example puzzles weren't treated as normal puzzles. Things I'm particularly thinking about are:
- Being able to see the (unsolved) puzzle without having started it on the puzzle page
- Being able to see the solution (by toggle?) without having to solve the puzzle
- (To a lesser extent and because of the above) perhaps no leaderboards/ratings on these puzzles
- (Also less important) an indication in the search engine that the puzzle is an example puzzle
The examples mainly serve to illustrate/explain a ruleset and being able to solve them should still be possible, but I think they would have much more value if you can see them before solving them.
This would also be in line with other platforms (puzz.link and puzzleduel come to mind) and most instruction booklets.
Apologies if any of this is already the case (I believe I'm the only one who has uploaded example puzzles so far so perhaps it's just something I'm not able to see/validate)
- Being able to see the (unsolved) puzzle without having started it on the puzzle page - Done
- Being able to see the solution (by toggle?) without having to solve the puzzle - Will explore
- (To a lesser extent and because of the above) perhaps no leaderboards/ratings on these puzzles - Done - Leaderboard page disabled for example puzzles
- (Also less important) an indication in the search engine that the puzzle is an example puzzle - Done - Example puzzles hidden from search engine and also from Expo home page.
@ 2023-07-10 7:24 PM (#31791 - in reply to #31759) (#31791) TopCountry : India
Administrator posted @ 2023-07-10 7:24 PM
Realshaggy - 2023-07-05 9:50 PM
The "List of Standard Puzzles/Examples..." has a different header than the other pages (in particular it is missing the freshly introduced "Help" menu, but also a few other options). Smae for some other pages. I can't see a system behind it. Maybe the header should be the same for all pages.
All pages (except My Puzzles) have same header now.The "List of Standard Puzzles/Examples..." has a different header than the other pages (in particular it is missing the freshly introduced "Help" menu, but also a few other options). Smae for some other pages. I can't see a system behind it. Maybe the header should be the same for all pages.
@ 2023-07-14 4:52 PM (#31808 - in reply to #31709) (#31808) TopPosts: 17
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Menderbug posted @ 2023-07-14 4:52 PM
I just tried to submit a puzzle for the first time, but both the Preview and Submit buttons seem to do nothing except set the puzzle's Display Size to 20 for some reason. Am I doing something silly?
@ 2023-07-14 6:12 PM (#31809 - in reply to #31709) (#31809) TopPosts: 69
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Realshaggy posted @ 2023-07-14 6:12 PM
Since this is a hobby for (almost) all of us, I would suggest using a less harsh wording on the recently introduced "penalties" page . In particular, I think it would be better to talk about "restrictions" instead of "penalities".
@ 2023-07-14 6:39 PM (#31810 - in reply to #31709) (#31810) TopPosts: 69
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Realshaggy posted @ 2023-07-14 6:39 PM
I have some strange behaviour in my only posted puzzle. There was a comment, that the answer check was not triggering for somebody. There were a lot of solutions since then, so maybe the solution was just wrong in this case, I don't know. But I still decided to check it. And whatever I do if I start the puzzle in "review" mode, it seems like I can't trigger the answer check either. Not in Sudoku mode (which is set by default) not in numbers mode, not in any color I tried. Is it still possible to trigger the answer check in "review" mode in a puzzle that is a few weeks old? I'm sure it worked, when I set it up originally. I can provide the solution if that helps, just send me a message in that case.