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Classic Tapa Contest — 11th Feb to 31st March
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@ 2012-02-13 12:32 AM (#6699 - in reply to #6622) (#6699)Quote Reply Top

macherlakumar




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macherlakumar posted @ 2012-02-13 12:32 AM

Please ignore the post.Message sent to Administrator.

Edited by macherlakumar 2012-02-13 12:37 AM
@ 2012-02-13 2:12 AM (#6700 - in reply to #6622) (#6700)Quote Reply Top

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rvarun posted @ 2012-02-13 2:12 AM

Is there any provision to view Cumulative Ranking upto the previous day. I see provision to see only the Current day's ranking.
@ 2012-02-13 4:41 AM (#6702 - in reply to #6622) (#6702)Quote Reply Top

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forcolin posted @ 2012-02-13 4:41 AM

I agree with Valezius and Tamz. This contest is different from any other puzzle contests and daily frequency is essential, it is my opinion it shoud not be taken into account for the calculation of the ranking.
@ 2012-02-13 6:18 AM (#6704 - in reply to #6702) (#6704)Quote Reply Top

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yureklis posted @ 2012-02-13 6:18 AM

Interesting, interesting because I didn't get it. Everytime we discussed about this contest, we (Deb and me) thought of CrocoPuzzle as an example. CrocoPuzzle has a system, and CTC works same as it. Also if i know correctly, CrocoPuzzle's daily puzzles are really daily puzzles, there are only 24 hours to solve. So we wanted to expand time period. When we made this, we had only one aim: giving a chance to all competitors. Because everyone may not have free time or something. So we made 3 days, and when we made this we thought that we are making a useful thing. So now i see some competitors dont think like us. If we didnt make 3 days, it was better? I don't think so.

You can think of this contest as "one day to solve" (like CrocoPuzzle), not 3 days, and go on.

About penalty points, we built a point system. One variant of the system is penalty points. 50 puzzles may have different difficulties. It'll has 30 seconds puzzles, 15 minutes puzzles; so when we thought about puzzle difficulty distribution we decided on 2 minutes. It is very early to say penalty points is much. Not much according to me. As I said above, we considered CrocoPuzzle system, and we built a thing. CrocoPuzzle gives +5 minutes penalty on each wrong submission, i am saying this because it also has a wide variety of different difficulties, and this system is accepted and being used for a long time. I think 2 minutes penalty seems pretty reasonable compared to it.

So i can say that rules are set and valid for every competitor and there won't be any changes on the system. We'll see how it works during the 50 days. Next year maybe we can come up with an improved system considering the suggestions, but this is the deal for this year.
@ 2012-02-13 7:58 AM (#6706 - in reply to #6704) (#6706)Quote Reply Top

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motris posted @ 2012-02-13 7:58 AM

While crocopuzzle is an everyday puzzle, you cannot compete in a day and it does not hurt your score. You choose to compete when you can, and the goals are both personal and interpersonal. So it works well as an everyday puzzle system because you opt in. I don't know, for a solver who can't do weekdays, or weekends, that this system with a rigid system really matches someone who would appreciate breaks.

Also, to be very clear as I think some people miss this, Crocopuzzle DOES NOT use a 5 minute penalty. This may be what you see reported on the published time ranking page, because until the puzzle is finished the error is not fixed. The actual penalty time is based on the median solve time of all the puzzle solvers without errors. It scales with difficulty. I think it is too punitive, as it is ~100% puzzle time value, and think Valezius at 20-30% is in a much better range with a proportional score. But indeed it can be 1m to 2h on different puzzles.
@ 2012-02-13 6:32 PM (#6714 - in reply to #6706) (#6714)Quote Reply Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2012-02-13 6:32 PM

Is the penalty 2 minutes or 15% now?

I would have assumed it to be 2 minutes as it was clearly mentioned before the start of CTC. But when I look at scores, I see 15% at some places, 120 minutes at some others and, 15% + 120 also at some places.
@ 2012-02-13 7:07 PM (#6715 - in reply to #6714) (#6715)Quote Reply Top

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macherlakumar posted @ 2012-02-13 7:07 PM

rakesh_rai - 2012-02-13 6:32 PMIs the penalty 2 minutes or 15% now?

I would have assumed it to be 2 minutes as it was clearly mentioned before the start of CTC. But when I look at scores, I see 15% at some places, 120 minutes at some others and, 15% + 120 also at some places.


Hi,
Both of them are there. 2 minutes penalty in case of incorrect submission and 15% or 30% penalty in case of late attempt, that means attempting yesterday or day before yesterday puzzle.
Hope this clears your confusion.

Regards,
Ravi
@ 2012-02-14 7:55 AM (#6720 - in reply to #6622) (#6720)Quote Reply Top

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PuzzleScott posted @ 2012-02-14 7:55 AM

Is it possible to see other player's solve sequences? I doubt I'll ever place top 20, but I'm sure I could improve my Tapa solving by studying the solve sequences of good players.
@ 2012-02-14 1:01 PM (#6722 - in reply to #6720) (#6722)Quote Reply Top

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Administrator posted @ 2012-02-14 1:01 PM

PuzzleScott - 2012-02-14 7:55 AM

Is it possible to see other player's solve sequences? I doubt I'll ever place top 20, but I'm sure I could improve my Tapa solving by studying the solve sequences of good players.
Yes, allow us some time.
@ 2012-02-14 4:49 PM (#6724 - in reply to #6622) (#6724)Quote Reply Top

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PuzzleScot posted @ 2012-02-14 4:49 PM

Most enjoyable - thank-you for this! I made some comments on UKPA's forum before noticing this discussion.

To repeat:
- It's a pity we can't see a full leaderboard for each day's puzzles...
- ... also that there are no times shown.
- A final nice touch to the interface would be right-click and drag for multiple empty cells.
- Make competitive entry valid only on that specific day (or just last 7 days), then we can discuss puzzles after they have elapsed.

My suggestions for puzzle availability and leaderboards are based on those at http://www.kwontomloop.com/ which I think works very well.
@ 2012-02-14 5:03 PM (#6725 - in reply to #6724) (#6725)Quote Reply Top

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Administrator posted @ 2012-02-14 5:03 PM

PuzzleScot - 2012-02-14 4:49 PM

To repeat:
- It's a pity we can't see a full leaderboard for each day's puzzles...
- ... also that there are no times shown.


There is a different link for standings : http://logicmastersindia.com/CTC/score.asp - You should see both the tables there.
(You can't see today's timing unless you have solved today's puzzle)


PuzzleScot - 2012-02-14 4:49 PM
- A final nice touch to the interface would be right-click and drag for multiple empty cells.

Agreed.
Have no idea how to do using flash.
You can use Shift + drag for multiple empty cells (like Nikoli)
@ 2012-02-15 11:10 AM (#6726 - in reply to #6622) (#6726)Quote Reply Top

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Para posted @ 2012-02-15 11:10 AM

Can you make it possible to log in with a different account somewhere on the CTC page. My girlfriend is visiting and we can't see where she can log in to do the puzzle.
@ 2012-02-15 11:17 AM (#6727 - in reply to #6726) (#6727)Quote Reply Top

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Administrator posted @ 2012-02-15 11:17 AM

Para - 2012-02-15 11:10 AM

Can you make it possible to log in with a different account somewhere on the CTC page. My girlfriend is visiting and we can't see where she can log in to do the puzzle.
Sent you alternate link - Check PM
@ 2012-02-15 7:05 PM (#6728 - in reply to #6720) (#6728)Quote Reply Top

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Administrator posted @ 2012-02-15 7:05 PM

Para - 2012-02-11 2:38 AM
I see we can rewatch our own solves. Will this be the case for other people's solves once the puzzle is over?

PuzzleScott - 2012-02-14 7:55 AM
Is it possible to see other player's solve sequences? I doubt I'll ever place top 20, but I'm sure I could improve my Tapa solving by studying the solve sequences of good players.

Others' Solve Sequences

You can now watch others players' solve sequences. It is available in the score page.

Please note : You can watch only if you have solved that particular day's puzzle OR if that particular day does not count towards contest points anymore (>72 hours).

It may not be how you expected it, but I'm particularly happy about bringing this to everyone. If you have other suggestions / feedback let us know.



Edited by Rohan Rao 2012-02-15 7:29 PM
@ 2012-02-15 8:16 PM (#6729 - in reply to #6728) (#6729)Quote Reply Top

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Valezius posted @ 2012-02-15 8:16 PM

Fantastic!
Thanks.
@ 2012-02-15 11:12 PM (#6733 - in reply to #6728) (#6733)Quote Reply Top

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sonnylaskar posted @ 2012-02-15 11:12 PM

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Para - 2012-02-11 2:38 AM
I see we can rewatch our own solves. Will this be the case for other people's solves once the puzzle is over?

PuzzleScott - 2012-02-14 7:55 AM
Is it possible to see other player's solve sequences? I doubt I'll ever place top 20, but I'm sure I could improve my Tapa solving by studying the solve sequences of good players.

Others' Solve Sequences

You can now watch others players' solve sequences. It is available in the score page.

Please note : You can watch only if you have solved that particular day's puzzle OR if that particular day does not count towards contest points anymore (>72 hours).

It may not be how you expected it, but I'm particularly happy about bringing this to everyone. If you have other suggestions / feedback let us know.



This feature is awesome. But if there would have been like a 'pause' button then it would be even more useful as we could get more idea about the logic used by the solver.
@ 2012-02-16 9:43 PM (#6734 - in reply to #6622) (#6734)Quote Reply Top

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Gareth posted @ 2012-02-16 9:43 PM

It's hardly important, but the playback doesn't work entirely accurately. For example my playbacks of 11th Feb and 15th Feb are wrong - they leave unconnected regions.

This might be related to me using Chrome - when I click to 'unshade' a square it sometimes flickers on and off rapidly instead of clearing (I'm also unable to reliably mark off used clues - I think that often a single click is treated as multiple clicks).

Edited by Gareth 2012-02-16 9:46 PM
@ 2012-02-17 4:34 AM (#6735 - in reply to #6727) (#6735)Quote Reply Top

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mucha posted @ 2012-02-17 4:34 AM

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Para - 2012-02-15 11:10 AM

Can you make it possible to log in with a different account somewhere on the CTC page. My girlfriend is visiting and we can't see where she can log in to do the puzzle.
Sent you alternate link - Check PM


Same problem here, can I get the alternate link as well?
@ 2012-02-17 6:28 AM (#6736 - in reply to #6735) (#6736)Quote Reply Top

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Administrator posted @ 2012-02-17 6:28 AM

mucha - 2012-02-17 4:34 AM

Same problem here, can I get the alternate link as well?
Sent you alternate link - Check PM
@ 2012-02-17 10:32 PM (#6743 - in reply to #6622) (#6743)Quote Reply Top

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macherlakumar posted @ 2012-02-17 10:32 PM

Is it possible to filter results by Country like in usual LMI tests ?.
I know I am asking for something which involves effort again, if it involves more effort then do not do it, if it involves less effort then please do it.

Thanks in advance.

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Ravi
@ 2012-02-20 3:52 AM (#6752 - in reply to #6622) (#6752)Quote Reply Top

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Para posted @ 2012-02-20 3:52 AM

Interesting. First top score with penalty on the 18th.
@ 2012-02-23 2:03 PM (#6768 - in reply to #6622) (#6768)Quote Reply Top

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PuzzleScott posted @ 2012-02-23 2:03 PM

How are standings computed? E.g., CoPo for daily rank? How are cumulative standings (ToPo?) calculated from daily results? Num days in CTC cumulative standings seems to have maxed out at 6.

I'm enjoying the contest in the basement :)

Thanks.
@ 2012-02-23 8:30 PM (#6769 - in reply to #6768) (#6769)Quote Reply Top

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Administrator posted @ 2012-02-23 8:30 PM

PuzzleScott - 2012-02-23 2:03 PM

How are standings computed? E.g., CoPo for daily rank? How are cumulative standings (ToPo?) calculated from daily results? Num days in CTC cumulative standings seems to have maxed out at 6.

I'm enjoying the contest in the basement :)

Thanks.


CoTi ( Competitor's time ) = Seconds Taken * Day Factor + 120 * Number of Wrong Submissions
CoPo ( Competitor's Points) is calculated from "average CoTi of top 10% of players", median of all CoTi for the day, and your own CoTi
ToPo (Total Points) is just sum of all CoPo's across all days.

Details posted in this post : http://logicmastersindia.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=445&s...
@ 2012-02-24 7:41 PM (#6773 - in reply to #6622) (#6773)Quote Reply Top

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2012-02-24 7:41 PM

seems yesterdays was big pionts gunner,,
todays is low points stunner :p
@ 2012-02-26 9:01 AM (#6783 - in reply to #6622) (#6783)Quote Reply Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2012-02-26 9:01 AM

With Palmer finally messing up a puzzle, everyone else has a realistic chance of topping the ladder today.
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