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kiwijam
Posts: 187
 
Country : New Zealand | kiwijam posted @ 2022-04-16 10:24 AM I have some clarifications for the optimizers. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
10. Opti-Road:
There is an error with the example. The column digits should be 22212, not 21212.
Also there is an error with the example answer key: the score for the example is 8, not 9.
11. From 0 to 9:
Without parentheses, we will always do multiplication and division (x and / ) before addition and subtraction (_PLUS_ and - ). Also, dividing by 0 is not allowed.
12. Record Score:
Total score is number of white paths plus number of black paths. The example is simple so I attach another one.
In this, White has 1 path, 1235674 (this is from the previous question from Christian - I think it is not important which direction #4 scores? ).
And Black has 2x2=4 paths, 1234567, 1234576, 1324567, 1324576. It is not possible to go from #4 to #6 directly.
And so the total score for this example is 5.
 (Record Score Example.png)Attachments ----------------  Record Score Example.png (84KB - 2 downloads) |
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moeve
Posts: 2
Country : Germany | moeve posted @ 2022-04-16 12:05 PM What about CJK's question:
CJK - 2022-04-14 10:07 PM
Is it allowed to use programs or similar things, especially for the optimization puzzles?
Of course, programming is usually not allowed in puzzle contests -- but ususally there are no optimization puzzles and especially for No. 11 it is obviously quite tempting to do some... ; ) |
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Riad Khanmagomedov
Posts: 234
Country : Russia | CJK - 2022-04-16 3:41 AM
For Record Score, does the goal shot also count as part of the path? Especially, if one team has a player next to the opposite goalkeeper, can the same order of players count twice (since this player can kick the ball directly or diagonally into the goal) or is this counted as the same path?
This counts as the same path. |
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Riad Khanmagomedov
Posts: 234
Country : Russia | kiwijam - 2022-04-16 10:24 AM
I have some clarifications for the optimizers. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
10. Opti-Road:
There is an error with the example. The column digits should be 22212, not 21212.
Also there is an error with the example answer key: the score for the example is 8, not 9.
11. From 0 to 9:
Without parentheses, we will always do multiplication and division (x and /) before addition and subtraction (_PLUS_ and -). Also, dividing by 0 is not allowed.
12. Record Score:
Total score is number of white paths plus number of black paths. The example is simple so I attach another one.
In this, White has 1 path, 1235674 (this is from the previous question from Christian - I think it is not important which direction #4 scores?).
And Black has 2x2=4 paths, 1234567, 1234576, 1324567, 1324576. It is not possible to go from #4 to #6 directly.
And so the total score for this example is 5.
Thanks James:
10. You're right, I'll correct the example and the meaning of the expression in the answer format.
11. Yes.
12. Yes.
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Christian
Posts: 5
Country : France | Hello,
For optimizer 11, is 2_PLUS_3=5 an equality, or must there be an arithmetic sign on both sides of the equality sign = ? |
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prasanna16391
Posts: 1801
 
Country : India | I've uploaded a new PB with these changes. |
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Riad Khanmagomedov
Posts: 234
Country : Russia | Christian - 2022-04-16 9:50 PM
Hello,
For optimizer 11, is 2_PLUS_3=5 an equality, or must there be an arithmetic sign on both sides of the equality sign = ?
Hello Christian,
2_PLUS_3=5 is accepted as an answer. |
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forcolin
Posts: 172
Country : ITALY | For Mechanical Sudoku: Can any of the fragments overlap with one of the existing givens?
For LMI road: can two shaded cells (or half cells (share a side?
stefano |
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Riad Khanmagomedov
Posts: 234
Country : Russia | forcolin - 2022-04-17 3:32 PM
For Mechanical Sudoku: Can any of the fragments overlap with one of the existing givens?
For LMI road: can two shaded cells (or half cells (share a side?
stefano
Hi Stefano,
1. It is not forbidden, but the fragments do not overlap each other.
2. Yes. |
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Barbitos
Posts: 6
Country : France | Hi, what about -2*-4=8? it would give more points but i guess it could also be forbidden since in that case the "-" sign is not really used as an operator |
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Carlos
Posts: 8
Country : France | Carlos posted @ 2022-04-19 11:55 AM Hello,
If I am not mistaken, CJK's question doesn't have an answer yet. It would be convenient to know if we have to work only with paper/pencil for the optimization problems or not, in order to be rated with the same criteria.
Thank you very much! |
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moeve
Posts: 2
Country : Germany | moeve posted @ 2022-04-19 3:57 PM moeve - 2022-04-16 9:05 AM
What about CJK's question:
CJK - 2022-04-14 10:07 PM
Is it allowed to use programs or similar things, especially for the optimization puzzles?
Of course, programming is usually not allowed in puzzle contests -- but ususally there are no optimization puzzles and especially for No. 11 it is obviously quite tempting to do some... ; )
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forcolin
Posts: 172
Country : ITALY | puzzle 11: only integer numbers or decimal allowed? |
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Riad Khanmagomedov
Posts: 234
Country : Russia | forcolin - 2022-04-19 5:43 PM
puzzle 11: only integer numbers or decimal allowed?
The intermediate result can be fractional, but it is forbidden to construct numbers using a dot or comma. |
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MastrclaySeine
Posts: 1
Country : The Netherlands | moeve - 2022-04-19 3:57 PM
moeve - 2022-04-16 9:05 AM
What about CJK's question:
CJK - 2022-04-14 10:07 PM
Is it allowed to use programs or similar things, especially for the optimization puzzles?
Of course, programming is usually not allowed in puzzle contests -- but ususally there are no optimization puzzles and especially for No. 11 it is obviously quite tempting to do some... ; )
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Another request then to get an answer to this question. Not sure why this question has been ignored three times? |
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Carlos
Posts: 8
Country : France | Carlos posted @ 2022-04-20 3:50 PM Hello,
It would be convenient to know if we have to use only paper/pencil for optimization problems, in order to be rated on the same criteria... |
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Nizz
Posts: 12
Country : Denmark | Nizz posted @ 2022-04-20 4:36 PM Riad Khanmagomedov - 2022-04-17 2:30 PM
forcolin - 2022-04-17 3:32 PM
For Mechanical Sudoku: Can any of the fragments overlap with one of the existing givens?
Hi Stefano,
1. It is not forbidden, but the fragments do not overlap each other.
OK. Back to square one on that one. |
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Carlos
Posts: 8
Country : France | Carlos posted @ 2022-04-20 11:18 PM Hello,
It would be convenient to know if we have to use only paper/pencil for the optimization problems, in order to be rated on the same criteria...
Edited by Carlos 2022-04-20 11:43 PM
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Riad Khanmagomedov
Posts: 234
Country : Russia | Carlos - 2022-04-20 11:18 PM
Hello,
It would be convenient to know if we have to use only paper/pencil for the optimization problems, in order to be rated on the same criteria...
Hello,
I always use only paper and pencil, because I am not a programmer. |
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Riad Khanmagomedov
Posts: 234
Country : Russia | I see errors in some answers to 12. Record score. Two white players cannot pass to each other if there is a black player on the line between them. And two black players cannot be connected by a straight line if there is a white player between them. |
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CJK
Posts: 11
Country : Germany | CJK posted @ 2022-04-21 12:50 PM Riad Khanmagomedov - 2022-04-20 7:20 PM
Hello,
I always use only paper and pencil, because I am not a programmer.
Hello Riad,
I have to admit that it is a little bit frustrating that this simple question cannot be clearly answered by you, even after being repeated five times. I do not really understand why it is that difficult to just say "yes, programming is allowed" or "no, programming is not allowed".
To be clear: I have no clear opinion about whether it should be allowed or not (I haven't programmed yet and I probably won't have time for it anymore ), but I dislike the fact that you ignore one specific question for a whole week while answering every other question just a few hours later. For this contest it may be too late, but please don't do this in future contests again. |
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jo97
Posts: 1
Country : France | jo97 posted @ 2022-04-21 7:10 PM Hello%2C%0D%0AFor+the+optimizer+equation%2C+exponent+and+negation+are+allow+or+not%3F+Because+technically+exponent+can+be+write+without+using+additionnal+arithmetic+sign%3A%0D%0A9%3D3%C2%B2+et+9+%3D+3%5E2%3F |
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Riad Khanmagomedov
Posts: 234
Country : Russia | CJK - 2022-04-21 12:50 PM
Riad Khanmagomedov - 2022-04-20 7:20 PM
Hello,
I always use only paper and pencil, because I am not a programmer.
Hello Riad,
I have to admit that it is a little bit frustrating that this simple question cannot be clearly answered by you, even after being repeated five times. I do not really understand why it is that difficult to just say "yes, programming is allowed" or "no, programming is not allowed".
To be clear: I have no clear opinion about whether it should be allowed or not (I haven't programmed yet and I probably won't have time for it anymore ), but I dislike the fact that you ignore one specific question for a whole week while answering every other question just a few hours later. For this contest it may be too late, but please don't do this in future contests again.
Hello Christian,
If I knew the answers to all the questions, of course I would have suggested it. I don't program and participate in all tournaments without resorting to this process. Let's leave this question to the discretion of each puzzler. |
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Swagatam
Posts: 45
Country : India | A couple of questions: For optimizer puzzles, any optimizer puzzle
1. How do you approach to final solution from your initial guess/solution?
2. How do you become aware of that you have reached to the optimum solution? |
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Riad Khanmagomedov
Posts: 234
Country : Russia | Please do not use the exponent operator in 11. From 0 to 9. |
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