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@ 2020-04-20 1:01 AM (#28069 - in reply to #28067) (#28069) Top

rakesh_rai




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rakesh_rai posted @ 2020-04-20 1:01 AM

ashaash11ash - 2020-04-19 11:25 PM

The quality of the puzzles were Awesome. I really liked the logic of each and every puzzle. The test was quite hard but enjoyable. It does not seems to be your first round Priyam :) Prasanna is one of the best authors so no need to mention him ;) .

unfortunately i solved 2 magnet puzzles and did not type the answer key. 14 points less from the total score :(


Magnets were 2, 6 and 10 points. Which two added up to 14?
@ 2020-04-20 1:16 AM (#28070 - in reply to #28069) (#28070) Top

ashaash11ash



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ashaash11ash posted @ 2020-04-20 1:16 AM

The 4 pointer exploratory one and the 10 pointer classic one..
@ 2020-04-20 4:17 AM (#28075 - in reply to #27915) (#28075) Top

An LMI player



An LMI player posted @ 2020-04-20 4:17 AM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Magnetic Fields
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Too many pages / too large grids


@ 2020-04-20 9:01 AM (#28078 - in reply to #27915) (#28078) Top

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2020-04-20 9:01 AM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many medium difficult puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Magnetic Fields
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


As a lockdown exception, I participated in this round. Superb puzles. Quality and logic was amazing.
Of course as others have already stated, its definitely hard round. I broke skyscraper 7 pointer and Hashi 10 pointer at the end. Could have been 17 points more.
Didn't get time to even touch Magnets.

My favourites were:
Skylines and Magnetic Fields

Awesome Job Priyam.
Quality was excellent though difficulty was hard.
Thoroughly Enjoyed.
@ 2020-04-21 4:23 PM (#28089 - in reply to #27915) (#28089) Top

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peluri posted @ 2020-04-21 4:23 PM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Anglers
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2020-04-22 7:12 AM (#28090 - in reply to #27915) (#28090) Top

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mstang posted @ 2020-04-22 7:12 AM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Magnetic Fields
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2020-04-22 1:35 PM (#28091 - in reply to #27915) (#28091) Top

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pranavmanu posted @ 2020-04-22 1:35 PM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many medium difficult puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Anglers
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


Fantastic puzzles, great quality.
Laptop shut down midway for some reason,and wasted ample time to boot it up again.
The difficulty level was pretty high for me, as even the medium pointers took too long to fall.
Loved the anglers 8 pointer especially and the magnets set. Slitherlink was a good solve as well.
I feel answer key for magnets can be kept as P,N rather than +,-.
Thank you Priyam and Prasanna !
@ 2020-04-22 8:41 PM (#28093 - in reply to #27915) (#28093) Top

An LMI player



An LMI player posted @ 2020-04-22 8:41 PM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Skyscrapers
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


I am a beginner and my opinion is not so important for the general good of the game, because I would never became a representative player. Also I am not a fast person in any aspect so probably I will never be a fast solver, even let assume experience in the end will give me some improvement. Still, I feel most of the tests are build on a difficult or very difficult side and the target diistribution of puzzles (mentioned in the feedback form - 50% easy, 40% medium, 10% hard) is not respected in most cases. Maybe I misjudge the difficulty and maybe this kind of tests are excellent for the top solvers - which is good in perspective of National & World Championship.
Did you tought of a B-division kind of? I mean something like a preparation stage for medium or beginners solvers? Maybe this is not a purpose of this project, in this case my question is pointless. And I am not an Indian player, maybe this is also biasing me and is not relevant. I am just curious how you, the experienced players, see this matter.
@ 2020-04-22 8:41 PM (#28094 - in reply to #27915) (#28094) Top

BogdanG



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BogdanG posted @ 2020-04-22 8:41 PM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Skyscrapers
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


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@ 2020-04-22 8:45 PM (#28095 - in reply to #27915) (#28095) Top

A Carton Mutant



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A Carton Mutant posted @ 2020-04-22 8:45 PM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Anglers
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Answer keys could have been better
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


Very nice set of puzzles! Can't think of a puzzle I didn't enjoy.

I just think some answer keys could have been friendlier:
-Admittedly tents uses number clues but I still think number keys would have been better.
-Hashi keys were of different lengths but the red border for each line goes away after (I guess) you input the minimum length (for example, 6 for the large one). I was typing looking at the screen and got a bit panicky as I thought I had overly long answers. Also, not requiring zeroes might be an improvement, I corrected a row with an extra imagined zero at the last second.
-Allowing P&N for magnets would be nice.

Hopefully I don't come across as nitpicky, as I really liked the puzzles. My favorites are 12, 18 & 20. Thanks Priyam and Prasanna! :)
@ 2020-04-22 9:39 PM (#28097 - in reply to #28093) (#28097) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2020-04-22 9:39 PM

An LMI player - 2020-04-22 8:41 PM

I am a beginner and my opinion is not so important for the general good of the game, because I would never became a representative player. Also I am not a fast person in any aspect so probably I will never be a fast solver, even let assume experience in the end will give me some improvement. Still, I feel most of the tests are build on a difficult or very difficult side and the target diistribution of puzzles (mentioned in the feedback form - 50% easy, 40% medium, 10% hard) is not respected in most cases. Maybe I misjudge the difficulty and maybe this kind of tests are excellent for the top solvers - which is good in perspective of National & World Championship.
Did you tought of a B-division kind of? I mean something like a preparation stage for medium or beginners solvers? Maybe this is not a purpose of this project, in this case my question is pointless. And I am not an Indian player, maybe this is also biasing me and is not relevant. I am just curious how you, the experienced players, see this matter.


Firstly, we value opinions and feedback of all the solvers here and if anything encourage more of them. So thank you very much for your thoughts.

It is generally difficult to know how easy to go and how much to go towards the other side. Just for example, define what a "beginner" should be able to solve here. Any definition you give will probably be discouraging for someone who solved less than that. So we can't possibly say that we target that a beginner should be able to solve this many puzzles - everyone is different in their development.

So the most important thing we target is - there should be something for everyone while also being a bit of a challenge for the top solvers. What a first time solver should aim for is to solve what they can, get some points and then solve the remaining puzzles outside of the 90 minutes to prepare for next time. Look at Round 3 vs this round or Round 1. Round 3 was objectively easier than both the other rounds, but there are many beginners who still got around the same score. The target distributions and feedback on difficulty are probably more useful for our authors, many of whom are also new and learning as the solvers are, to see how their round is received by different people.

So what is the solution? Well, not many do it but we do encourage asking for solve paths and tips for the puzzles after the contest too. Its a bit difficult to prepare full walkthroughs but I am sure there are enough people on the forum to answer about the next step or approach if someone is stuck on a particular puzzle - these are the discussions that should ideally dominate the forum over whether a contest is suitable for an audience or not, in my opinion.

Rather than try to make contests easier and easier which becomes a never ending endeavor, I would prefer letting the authors of Puzzle Ramayan, some newer and some experienced, to express themselves within slightly broader parameters, and instead focus on teaching solvers who are interested in seeing the logical paths of these and other puzzles and helping them raise their level through that. Some comments do make it seem like we are taking the puzzles away once the 90 minutes are done which I'd just like to remind everyone, isn't the case :) We keep a restricted forum for the contest duration for a reason. We are here to help solvers once the contest is done for them too.

Eventually this round and other PR rounds should also work as worthy qualifiers to the Indian Championships - which have both sprint rounds as well as more think-y rounds. We will surely consider all the feedback here. Thank you and everyone else for providing it.
@ 2020-04-22 10:58 PM (#28098 - in reply to #27915) (#28098) Top

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tamz29 posted @ 2020-04-22 10:58 PM

Thanks for the puzzles, glad to finish this in time. Phew.

The 7x7 Skyscrapers was hardest for me.
The IB had a blank cell in Anglers so I thought that would apply to the puzzles here too - hence I wasted a few seconds
adding up the Anglers to make sure there were no gaps (and there were none). And made quick work on those.
I took around 2-3 minutes for the 8-point Anglers (compared to 10+ minutes on the Skyscrapers) - so not sure how others found the point balance there.

The Magnets (both classics and the variant) were very nice. I think I managed to find the intended paths and they were pretty.
Thanks again!
@ 2020-04-23 12:29 AM (#28099 - in reply to #27915) (#28099) Top

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ABcDexter posted @ 2020-04-23 12:29 AM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Slitherlink
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


Enjoyed the puzzles :)
Hope to solve more puzzles in the future :D
@ 2020-04-23 12:41 AM (#28100 - in reply to #28067) (#28100) Top

priyambhushan



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priyambhushan posted @ 2020-04-23 12:41 AM

ashaash11ash - 2020-04-19 11:25 PM

The quality of the puzzles were Awesome. I really liked the logic of each and every puzzle. The test was quite hard but enjoyable. It does not seems to be your first round Priyam :) Prasanna is one of the best authors so no need to mention him ;) .

unfortunately i solved 2 magnet puzzles and did not type the answer key. 14 points less from the total score :(




Thank you so much Ashish! Means so much coming from you! :)
@ 2020-04-23 12:42 AM (#28101 - in reply to #28078) (#28101) Top

priyambhushan



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priyambhushan posted @ 2020-04-23 12:42 AM

swaroop2011 - 2020-04-20 9:01 AM

As a lockdown exception, I participated in this round. Superb puzles. Quality and logic was amazing.
Of course as others have already stated, its definitely hard round. I broke skyscraper 7 pointer and Hashi 10 pointer at the end. Could have been 17 points more.
Didn't get time to even touch Magnets.

My favourites were:
Skylines and Magnetic Fields

Awesome Job Priyam.
Quality was excellent though difficulty was hard.
Thoroughly Enjoyed.


Glad you made an exception for our round :D
Thanks a lot, Swaroop! :)
@ 2020-04-23 12:43 AM (#28102 - in reply to #28091) (#28102) Top

priyambhushan



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priyambhushan posted @ 2020-04-23 12:43 AM

pranavmanu - 2020-04-22 1:35 PM

Fantastic puzzles, great quality.
Laptop shut down midway for some reason,and wasted ample time to boot it up again.
The difficulty level was pretty high for me, as even the medium pointers took too long to fall.
Loved the anglers 8 pointer especially and the magnets set. Slitherlink was a good solve as well.
I feel answer key for magnets can be kept as P,N rather than +,-.
Thank you Priyam and Prasanna !


Ah the electronic misfortune! Great job anyway! Thank you so much, Pranav! :)
@ 2020-04-23 12:44 AM (#28103 - in reply to #28046) (#28103) Top

priyambhushan



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priyambhushan posted @ 2020-04-23 12:44 AM

WA1729 - 2020-04-18 8:06 AM

Very nice test as usual! Thanks for putting this together.

I'm not a huge fan of the magnets answer key because you have to alternate between holding shift for + and not holding shift for -. Could we use P and N instead?

Favorite Puzzles:

4 Skyscrapers - I like the almost symmetric grid.
12 Anglers - The 2x2 blocks of fish made the solve interesting.
19 Skylines - This had a lot of loop / skyscraper interaction.
22 Magnetic Fields - I like this variation a lot.


As a first time author, it's surreal to see postive feedback on puzzle quality from some amazing solvers and some of the best puzzle setters in the world! Thank you so much, Walker! :)
@ 2020-04-23 12:45 AM (#28104 - in reply to #28052) (#28104) Top

priyambhushan



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priyambhushan posted @ 2020-04-23 12:45 AM

TiiT - 2020-04-18 8:32 PM

Had some trouble with big hashi. Also hoped to finish the set and it was close. In general nice and logical puzzles.

But the points distribution was a bit off for me.


Super close!
Thank you for your feedback, TiiT! Means a lot :) glad you enjoyed the puzzles
@ 2020-04-23 12:48 AM (#28105 - in reply to #28095) (#28105) Top

priyambhushan



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priyambhushan posted @ 2020-04-23 12:48 AM

A Carton Mutant - 2020-04-22 8:45 PM

Very nice set of puzzles! Can't think of a puzzle I didn't enjoy.

I just think some answer keys could have been friendlier:
-Admittedly tents uses number clues but I still think number keys would have been better.
-Hashi keys were of different lengths but the red border for each line goes away after (I guess) you input the minimum length (for example, 6 for the large one). I was typing looking at the screen and got a bit panicky as I thought I had overly long answers. Also, not requiring zeroes might be an improvement, I corrected a row with an extra imagined zero at the last second.
-Allowing P&N for magnets would be nice.

Hopefully I don't come across as nitpicky, as I really liked the puzzles. My favorites are 12, 18 & 20. Thanks Priyam and Prasanna! :)


The first 2 lines made my day! Glad you liked the puzzles, and thanks a lot for the feedback! Means so much coming from one of my favourite puzzle authors!
@ 2020-04-23 1:06 AM (#28106 - in reply to #27915) (#28106) Top

An LMI player



An LMI player posted @ 2020-04-23 1:06 AM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many medium difficult puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Skylines
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2020-04-23 1:29 AM (#28107 - in reply to #28098) (#28107) Top

priyambhushan



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priyambhushan posted @ 2020-04-23 1:29 AM

tamz29 - 2020-04-22 10:58 PM

Thanks for the puzzles, glad to finish this in time. Phew.

The 7x7 Skyscrapers was hardest for me.
The IB had a blank cell in Anglers so I thought that would apply to the puzzles here too - hence I wasted a few seconds
adding up the Anglers to make sure there were no gaps (and there were none). And made quick work on those.
I took around 2-3 minutes for the 8-point Anglers (compared to 10+ minutes on the Skyscrapers) - so not sure how others found the point balance there.

The Magnets (both classics and the variant) were very nice. I think I managed to find the intended paths and they were pretty.
Thanks again!


Thank you, I'm really glad you liked the puzzles in this round! :)
Skyscrapers are my favourite and best type and probably why I cannot gauge the difficulty accurately! Thanks for the feedback Tawan!
@ 2020-04-23 1:30 AM (#28108 - in reply to #28099) (#28108) Top

priyambhushan



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priyambhushan posted @ 2020-04-23 1:30 AM

ABcDexter - 2020-04-23 12:29 AM

Enjoyed the puzzles :)
Hope to solve more puzzles in the future :D


From one first time author to another- thank you, Anubhav!
Glad you liked the puzzles :)
Looking forward to solving the PR 6!! Cheers
@ 2020-04-23 1:41 AM (#28109 - in reply to #28047) (#28109) Top

priyambhushan



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priyambhushan posted @ 2020-04-23 1:41 AM

vopani - 2020-04-18 1:51 PM

Too hard period.

Favourites: Magnets 10x10, Skylines 8x8, Skyscrapers 7x7

Thanks Priyam and Prasanna!


I probably got difficulty a bit off but I am glad you liked the puzzles! Thanks Rohan!
@ 2020-04-23 1:42 AM (#28110 - in reply to #28108) (#28110) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2020-04-23 1:42 AM

My puzzles: Anglers 1, 2, Hashi 1, 2, Skylines 1, 2, Magnetic Fields 1, 2.
Priyam's puzzles: Tents 1, 2, 3, Skyscrapers 1, 2, 3, Slitherlink 1, 2, 3, Anglers 3, Hashi 3, Magnets 1, 2, 3.

Magnetic Fields was Priyam's idea that I developed on while Skylines was an idea I thought of to round off the set.
@ 2020-04-23 1:42 AM (#28111 - in reply to #27915) (#28111) Top

prasanna16391



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prasanna16391 posted @ 2020-04-23 1:42 AM

Thank you everyone for participating, and again thank you to everyone who provided feedback on the round.

Like last year, I got to work with a debuting author. Authors maybe don't have as much leeway as solvers do :) While a solver can take multiple rounds to improve, an author has to hit their stride pretty quickly. Like last year I think the debuting author really did that in terms of puzzle quality.

A lot of you liked the 3rd Anglers and the Magnets set - these were my favourites of the set too when Priyam first sent them to me.

Last year's "rookie", Harmeet, returned this time for PR Round 2. I hope Priyam is a returning author too.

Its always a rewarding experience to see a new author find their steps and grow in confidence after a few initial tries. I hope I can continue to guide new authors into this in future years too.

Congrats Priyam, and well done :)
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