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@ 2016-02-19 4:09 PM (#21045 - in reply to #20978) (#21045) Top

rajeshk




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rajeshk posted @ 2016-02-19 4:09 PM

Checkout one Thropki Sudoku which I recently prepared for the practice of this test
http://www.funwithpuzzles.com/2016/02/thropki-sudoku.html
@ 2016-02-19 7:02 PM (#21047 - in reply to #20978) (#21047) Top

mihiryadav



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mihiryadav posted @ 2016-02-19 7:02 PM

Can anyone tell me.....how a black triangle act as a symmetrical arrowhead and which arrowhead is pointing to the two digits?
@ 2016-02-19 7:23 PM (#21048 - in reply to #21047) (#21048) Top

David McNeill



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David McNeill posted @ 2016-02-19 7:23 PM

It is the 90 degree corner of the triangle which acts as the point of the arrow (rather than either of the two 45 degree corners). Does this help?
@ 2016-02-19 7:32 PM (#21049 - in reply to #20978) (#21049) Top

Vishal



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Vishal posted @ 2016-02-19 7:32 PM

In Max/Min Triplet Sums, I have identified the outside clue-whether max or min- but I am unable to figure out how to use this information as help in solving the Sudoku (apart from Classic rules) ? Please help..
@ 2016-02-19 7:39 PM (#21051 - in reply to #21048) (#21051) Top

mihiryadav



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mihiryadav posted @ 2016-02-19 7:39 PM

Not able to figure out the two digits which is pointed by corresponding arrowhead.
@ 2016-02-19 8:31 PM (#21052 - in reply to #21049) (#21052) Top

David McNeill



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David McNeill posted @ 2016-02-19 8:31 PM

Vishal,

Re: Max/Min Triplet Sums

I'm not very good at walkthroughs.

Try the following. Place two missing 8s by standard logic. Place 2s in boxes 6 and 7 by standard logic. Place 3 in box 8 by standard logic. Place 1 in box 3 by standard logic.

Now in row 4, the missing 1 cannot sit either side of the 3 and 2 (otherwise we would have a 6 sum in that row and we are told that 10 is the minimum sum) so it must go in column 2.

In the same row, the missing 5 must be either side of the 3 and 2 (otherwise we can't have a 10 sum). Therefore, column 3 in that row must have a 6.

In column 5, the 8 sum must be 1-3-4 in some order as the 2 is isolated. The 1 can't lie below the 3 as there would then be a 6 sum. So the 1 must go in row 5 and the 4 in row 6.

In box 4, the missing 3 can't go in bottom right corner as there would then be a 9 sum in row 6. So it goes immediately above that with the missing 4 to its left.

Then look at the 8 sum in column 3. etc.

Edited by David McNeill 2016-02-19 8:36 PM
@ 2016-02-19 8:42 PM (#21053 - in reply to #21051) (#21053) Top

David McNeill



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David McNeill posted @ 2016-02-19 8:42 PM

Mihiryadav,

Re: Arrowhead

Consider the diagonally split cell in top right corner of box 5. The arrow cannot point to the south-east as the first digit in that direction is a 9 and the sum of the first two digits will therefore exceed the allowed value. So, the arrow must point to the north-west and the first two digits in this direction are 3 and 4, adding to 7. The top left triangle in our split cell is coloured black and a 7 is placed in the bottom right triangle.

Hope this gets you going.
@ 2016-02-20 1:40 AM (#21055 - in reply to #20978) (#21055) Top

margareta456



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margareta456 posted @ 2016-02-20 1:40 AM

 How well did you like the theme of the contest? I really liked the theme
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 12. Renban Squeeze
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 10. Tight Fit
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 11. Non-Consecutive Squeeze


@ 2016-02-20 2:33 AM (#21056 - in reply to #20978) (#21056) Top

Plucky



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Plucky posted @ 2016-02-20 2:33 AM

 How well did you like the theme of the contest? I somewhat liked the theme
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 7. Max/Min Triplet Sums
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 13. Triangular Sums
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 4. Trio


This was a good test :) would have given it 3-stars if online solving was available - I don't have a printer so for puzzles without online solving I have to write all my answers in MSPaint with my mouse, which makes it take quite a bit longer and makes it difficult to write pencil marks.
@ 2016-02-20 2:53 PM (#21058 - in reply to #21052) (#21058) Top

Vishal



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Vishal posted @ 2016-02-20 2:53 PM

Thanks David for your help and guiding me through the solving technique.. By the way, I failed to understand the rule - it was for all the combinations of consecutive numbers along a row and column; not only for the first 3...Thanks for your explanation..
@ 2016-02-20 4:30 PM (#21059 - in reply to #20978) (#21059) Top

deu



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deu posted @ 2016-02-20 4:30 PM

 How well did you like the theme of the contest? I really liked the theme
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 6. Outside Sums
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 7. Max/Min Triplet Sums
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 12. Renban Squeeze


@ 2016-02-20 5:47 PM (#21060 - in reply to #20978) (#21060) Top

gaurav.kjain



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gaurav.kjain posted @ 2016-02-20 5:47 PM

 How well did you like the theme of the contest? I somewhat liked the theme
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 9. Thropki
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 14. Arrowhead
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 10. Tight Fit


@ 2016-02-20 8:02 PM (#21061 - in reply to #20978) (#21061) Top

kishy72



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kishy72 posted @ 2016-02-20 8:02 PM

 How well did you like the theme of the contest? I somewhat liked the theme
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 6. Outside Sums
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 13. Triangular Sums
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 9. Thropki


I really liked this test.Normally,I hate Math based variants in sudoku but this test was different.I remember thinking before the test that I would be happy with a score somewhere around 400.I didn't expect 470 in 90 mins(74?!).In the last 16 mins of the test,I really had a go at Thropki(100) but it seemed beyond my reach despite multiple guesses.

I greatly enjoyed solving Outside and Triangular sums both of which had a very systematic solve and I also loved the squeeze variants.

Thanks a lot to David for this wonderful test and to all test solvers. The set was delightful and I had great fun!
@ 2016-02-20 8:14 PM (#21062 - in reply to #21061) (#21062) Top

bskbri



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bskbri posted @ 2016-02-20 8:14 PM

I have two questions on triangular sums:
1. Are we sure that we won't split any more cells? I am confused because the rule says triangles cannot touch grid boundary. These already placed ones are far enough not to touch :)
2. May the three numbers around a triangle be same?
@ 2016-02-20 8:25 PM (#21063 - in reply to #21062) (#21063) Top

David McNeill



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David McNeill posted @ 2016-02-20 8:25 PM

Bskbri,

Re: Triangular Sums

All split cells will be indicated before solving.

There is no special rule prohibiting more than one edge of a triangle having the same digit.
@ 2016-02-20 9:00 PM (#21064 - in reply to #20978) (#21064) Top

An LMI player



An LMI player posted @ 2016-02-20 9:00 PM

 How well did you like the theme of the contest? I really liked the theme
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 10. Tight Fit
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 3. Classic
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 6. Outside Sums


@ 2016-02-20 9:01 PM (#21065 - in reply to #20978) (#21065) Top

misko



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misko posted @ 2016-02-20 9:01 PM

 How well did you like the theme of the contest? I somewhat liked the theme
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 14. Arrowhead
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 8. Thropki
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 9. Thropki


@ 2016-02-20 10:09 PM (#21066 - in reply to #20978) (#21066) Top

aashay



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aashay posted @ 2016-02-20 10:09 PM

I am unable to submit Classic-3 solution. The answer key is A - 249516837 and B - 847925316

Sorry, was typing the wrong answer I guess. The key was not allowing me to submit.

Edited by aashay 2016-02-20 10:27 PM
@ 2016-02-20 10:11 PM (#21067 - in reply to #20978) (#21067) Top

An LMI player



An LMI player posted @ 2016-02-20 10:11 PM

 How well did you like the theme of the contest? I really liked the theme
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 5. Anti-Diagonal
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 6. Outside Sums
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 11. Non-Consecutive Squeeze


@ 2016-02-20 11:37 PM (#21068 - in reply to #20978) (#21068) Top

An LMI player



An LMI player posted @ 2016-02-20 11:37 PM

 How well did you like the theme of the contest? I really liked the theme
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 9. Thropki


@ 2016-02-20 11:58 PM (#21069 - in reply to #20978) (#21069) Top

rakesh_rai




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rakesh_rai posted @ 2016-02-20 11:58 PM

 How well did you like the theme of the contest? I somewhat liked the theme
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 13. Triangular Sums
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 9. Thropki
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 14. Arrowhead


@ 2016-02-21 12:14 AM (#21071 - in reply to #20978) (#21071) Top

Swagatam



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Swagatam posted @ 2016-02-21 12:14 AM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 5. Anti-Diagonal
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 6. Outside Sums
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 4. Trio


@ 2016-02-21 1:25 AM (#21072 - in reply to #20978) (#21072) Top

An LMI player



An LMI player posted @ 2016-02-21 1:25 AM

 How well did you like the theme of the contest? I really liked the theme
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 8. Thropki
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 7. Max/Min Triplet Sums
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 6. Outside Sums


@ 2016-02-21 12:22 PM (#21074 - in reply to #20978) (#21074) Top

tiphan



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tiphan posted @ 2016-02-21 12:22 PM

 How well did you like the theme of the contest? I really liked the theme
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 5. Anti-Diagonal
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 4. Trio
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 1. Classic


@ 2016-02-21 6:47 PM (#21077 - in reply to #20978) (#21077) Top

TiiT



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TiiT posted @ 2016-02-21 6:47 PM

 How well did you like the theme of the contest? I really liked the theme
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 11. Non-Consecutive Squeeze
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 12. Renban Squeeze
 Your 3 most favorite puzzles of the contest. 14. Arrowhead


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