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Posts: 183 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Country : Turkey | yureklis posted @ 2016-01-03 11:18 PM Realshaggy - 2016-01-03 2:03 AM Nice puzzles. Imho it should be clarified, that there may not be 0-clues in Magic Tapa, since this would cause non-uniqueness in the lower left corner. Zero is not Classic Tapa clue. Tapa clues are from 1 to 8. If the zero is used in a varition we mention in the instruction. Moreover if the zero had been used in this variation, you would use the zero in clue cells with slash like 0/3, 0/1, 0/4. So it means there are tons of solutions. So you cannot use the zero in regular Tapa unless the instruction says 0-8 digits . | ||||||||||||||||||
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Posts: 49 ![]() ![]() Country : France | Kithyane posted @ 2016-01-04 12:43 AM
Just started playing here at LMI for a few weeks (also working the backlog since 2010 on my free time), and for now the puzzles are really excellent. I haven't played a lot of tapa puzzles before, but it is a puzzle type I really like, and I look forward to do more ! | ||||||||||||||||||
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Posts: 241 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Country : Indonesia | chaotic_iak posted @ 2016-01-04 12:57 AM yureklis - 2016-01-04 2:18 AM Realshaggy - 2016-01-03 2:03 AM Nice puzzles. Imho it should be clarified, that there may not be 0-clues in Magic Tapa, since this would cause non-uniqueness in the lower left corner. Zero is not Classic Tapa clue. Tapa clues are from 1 to 8. If the zero is used in a varition we mention in the instruction. Moreover if the zero had been used in this variation, you would use the zero in clue cells with slash like 0/3, 0/1, 0/4. So it means there are tons of solutions. So you cannot use the zero in regular Tapa unless the instruction says 0-8 digits . A single zero is a Classic Tapa clue. (0/1, 0/2, etc isn't a Classic Tapa clue, but a single 0 is.) Otherwise, how would you explain the existence of Classic Tapa puzzles that involve a 0 (indicating all squares around it are empty)? Edited by chaotic_iak 2016-01-04 12:57 AM | ||||||||||||||||||
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Posts: 170 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Country : Germany | rob posted @ 2016-01-04 1:24 AM
Thanks, really good to have a new TVC series. The dedication is great way to keep Florian remembered. I felt like I had a slow start, though the points per time don't really reflect that. One oversight on the harder skyscrapers meant I solved that one twice, but no trouble otherwise. I should revisit the star battle, the option I chose towards the end went through. The outside tapa also seemed a bit overvalued to me. For less experienced solvers, it would be helpful tobe a bit more explicit in the instructions about details like those 0s in the magic tapa, it's just very hard to tell if you haven't solved the example carefully. By the way, the base "tapa rule" at the start of the booklet makes no mention of a digit range 1-8. | ||||||||||||||||||
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Posts: 28 ![]() Country : United Kingdom | puzzlemad posted @ 2016-01-04 2:20 AM
I've now solved most of the puzzles - just the skyscrapers ones left. I was surprised how easy I found the Outside Tapa (for the points) - I should have tried that one in the test. Thanks again. | ||||||||||||||||||
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Posts: 225 ![]() ![]() ![]() Country : Thailand | tamz29 posted @ 2016-01-04 2:26 AM I made the effort to practise for this using Bram's puzzles. His puzzles were frighteningly difficult, but if it weren't for those, I wouldn't have grasped so many Tapa concepts doing this test. In general, I feel Tapa is heavily intuitive and to score well in these sprint tests, you're better off "guessing" your path. All the puzzles are so neat. Make Room for Tapa was lovely because it had enough clear logical deductions to discourage guessing from early on. Tapa Magic was cool, but sadly this type might be quickly worn out after, say, 10 puzzles. I was on intense mode for the entire 80 minutes and I still have two big puzzles left. How on earth are you guys so good at this!? ; | ||||||||||||||||||
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An LMI player | An LMI player posted @ 2016-01-04 2:45 AM
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An LMI player | An LMI player posted @ 2016-01-04 8:14 AM
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Posts: 315 ![]() ![]() ![]() Country : The Netherlands | Para posted @ 2016-01-04 10:24 AM tamz29 - 2016-01-04 2:26 AM I made the effort to practise for this using Bram's puzzles. His puzzles were frighteningly difficult, but if it weren't for those, I wouldn't have grasped so many Tapa concepts doing this test. My goal is always to put at least something in each practise puzzle that might be useful when doing the test puzzles. So that means that they might seem more difficult as there will be some deduction in there you might not be familiar with yet. But once you're aware of that logic, doing the next puzzle might seem easier as you no longer have to work out such deductions. | ||||||||||||||||||
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Posts: 7 Country : Bulgaria | Deyan posted @ 2016-01-04 2:38 PM ghirsch - 2016-01-03 7:04 PM Deyan - 2016-01-02 11:01 PM The last puzzle allows a double solution (although with the same answer) It's good to avoid unnecessary graphics in booklets, which slow down printing You should check again, I'm confident that it has only one solution. Maybe your alternate solution has some rows with repeated digits. Bottom left clue might be 0 or 1. | ||||||||||||||||||
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Posts: 66 ![]() ![]() ![]() Country : Hungary | Valezius posted @ 2016-01-04 2:56 PM
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Posts: 3 Country : Romania | dahunor posted @ 2016-01-04 3:12 PM
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An LMI player | An LMI player posted @ 2016-01-05 2:05 AM
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Posts: 187 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Country : New Zealand | kiwijam posted @ 2016-01-05 3:13 AM
I know TVC has been running a long time already, but perhaps adding one (easy?) Classic Tapa at the start might be nice for novice solvers? | ||||||||||||||||||
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Posts: 241 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Country : Indonesia | chaotic_iak posted @ 2016-01-05 4:09 AM kiwijam - 2016-01-05 6:13 AM I know TVC has been running a long time already, but perhaps adding one (easy?) Classic Tapa at the start might be nice for novice solvers? I would assume Classic Tapa is covered by CTC (that is ongoing concurrently), so novice solvers that want to try Classic Tapa first can do CTC for one day before starting. | ||||||||||||||||||
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Posts: 7 Country : United States | easonrevant posted @ 2016-01-05 4:23 AM
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Posts: 9 Country : United States | Jacoblance posted @ 2016-01-05 5:29 AM Hmm... If these are going to be every other weekend, then TVC XVIII will fall on Mystery Hunt weekend. I'd think there is a reasonable overlap between those two sets of puzzlers, so perhaps that one could start earlier, or its deadline be extended until later? | ||||||||||||||||||
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Posts: 30 ![]() Country : United States | brecher92 posted @ 2016-01-05 7:03 AM I'm just glad to have the best-three-of-four rule here, since my printer had a massive paper jam and I couldn't even get started... p.s. I assume that my 0 will not be factored into the puzzle ratings? | ||||||||||||||||||
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Country : India | debmohanty posted @ 2016-01-05 9:00 AM Jacoblance - 2016-01-05 5:29 AM It will be difficult to start earlier, but it can be extended easily. Will extending by 24 hours work?Hmm... If these are going to be every other weekend, then TVC XVIII will fall on Mystery Hunt weekend. I'd think there is a reasonable overlap between those two sets of puzzlers, so perhaps that one could start earlier, or its deadline be extended until later? | ||||||||||||||||||
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Posts: 241 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Country : Indonesia | chaotic_iak posted @ 2016-01-05 2:01 PM Extending by 24 hours should work; MIT Mystery Hunt should end before Monday EST (Tuesday GMT), so there's one day worth to do it. | ||||||||||||||||||
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Posts: 315 ![]() ![]() ![]() Country : The Netherlands | Para posted @ 2016-01-05 2:32 PM brecher92 - 2016-01-05 7:03 AM I'm just glad to have the best-three-of-four rule here, since my printer had a massive paper jam and I couldn't even get started... p.s. I assume that my 0 will not be factored into the puzzle ratings? TVC does not count towards the LMI puzzle ratings. | ||||||||||||||||||
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Posts: 1800 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Country : India | prasanna16391 posted @ 2016-01-05 6:07 PM
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Posts: 24 ![]() Country : ITALY | GaS posted @ 2016-01-06 4:13 AM
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Posts: 183 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Country : Turkey | yureklis posted @ 2016-01-07 12:57 AM Thanks to all participants. Top three are as follows: 1. Endo Ken (Japan) [13/13, 56:51 min] 2. Hideaki Jo (Japan) [13/13, 61:08 min] 3. Jack Lance (USA) [13/13, 55:50 min] After a huge break TVC came back. I forgot how hard it is to construct a set. Frankly I hadn't prepared any contest for a long time, therefore I had a little bit trouble while I was making puzzles and art works. Anyway, after 2013, this one was the first Tapa contest, and for us (Kamer and I) it went well. 11 solvers submitted all puzzles correctly, some of them accomplished this before the end, some of them made it happen in extra time; but all did. We prepared a solution booklet for the first time in TVC history. If you are a puzzle designer, you must know that the worst part of shaping a puzzle set is to make the solution booklet :) I hope solutions works for new comers and others. - The puzzle solved by least competitors was Tapa Skyscrapers (b). It was solved by 26 competitors. - The puzzle solved by most competitors was Tapa with Borders (a). It was solved by 97 competitors. - The puzzle with the highest rating was Tapa Skyscrapers (b). (8.80) and the puzzle with the lowest rating was Tapa with Borders (a) (6.00). Full results table is here: http://logicmastersindia.com/TVC/XVII/score.asp For TVC XVIII, the poll has been opened. So you can vote, 6 of the 10 puzzle types will be determined by your votes. The remaining 4 will be displayed in the IB to be published at the weekend. Please feel free to share any ideas. Last words for Bram, Iām not sure you know about his blog, but he did a great job again. As before he prepared some TVC practice puzzles, I hope he continues to prepare. You can check his blog: puzzleparasite.blogspot.com Best, serkan Edited by yureklis 2016-01-07 12:58 AM |