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ghirsch
Posts: 102
Country : United States | ghirsch posted @ 2015-10-31 10:27 PM | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Too many hard puzzles | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Fairly Nice | | | Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | Anglers | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Many puzzles were worth too much or too little | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
This round felt far more difficult than previous ones. I did enjoy the puzzles that I solved though, and I thought the multi-anglers was very fun. Can someone explain the theme to me though? What does "evergreen" mean? |
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vopani
Posts: 739
 
Country : India | vopani posted @ 2015-10-31 11:10 PM ghirsch - 2015-10-31 10:27 PM
Can someone explain the theme to me though? What does "evergreen" mean?
They are just Classic puzzles that have been appearing in contests for a long time. We couldn't have too many standard puzzles in one test, so we split it across two (Classics and Evergreens ).
Also, a tribute to two really nice tests during the birth of LMI: Evergreens and Evergreens2 :- )
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peluri
Posts: 26
Country : Finland | peluri posted @ 2015-10-31 11:48 PM | How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? | variations represented the theme well | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | Arrows | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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bob
Posts: 59
Country : United States | bob posted @ 2015-11-01 12:50 AM | How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? | variations represented the theme well | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Too many hard puzzles | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | Magnets | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Many puzzles were worth too much or too little | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
Puzzles seemed unexpectedly hard this round. I used to subscribe to CrocoPuzzle and always did the magnet puzzles. I was quite stumped by the harder ones in this set. Even the Hashi puzzles seemed hard and I have quite a bit of experience with these. I barely had time to look at the easy domino puzzles and completely skipped an entire category (anglers ). There is usually time to at least scan them. |
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swaroop2011
Posts: 668
Country : India | Puzzles were nice but I believe they were tough. Lot of new tricks in lots of puzzles. I continued Solving even after the time was over and took around 25 min more to solve few more puzzles. Only left ones were Magents 9 pointer and Arrows 3rd one. Thanks to deb for pointing out the start for Arrows 3rd one.
Really lots and lots of new tricks to explore in this round. Performance wise I believe my bad run is continuing after my below par performance in Numbers Round. Hopefully will improve in upcoming rounds.
Thanks Amit for Fantastic Puzzles.
Would appreciate if anyone can tell the path for Magnets last one. (I could place only 3 magnets in the entire grid after lot of struggle) ? |
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An LMI player
| An LMI player posted @ 2015-11-01 7:02 AM | How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? | variations represented the theme well | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Average | | | Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | Magnets | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Many puzzles were worth too much or too little | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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amitsowani
Posts: 349
Country : India | swaroop2011 - 2015-11-01 7:00 AM
Would appreciate if anyone can tell the path for Magnets last one. (I could place only 3 magnets in the entire grid after lot of struggle) ?
The fourth magnets puzzle uses minmax constraints.
Look at columns 3,4 and 5.
A column with few signs filled (2,2 ) is surrounded by two heavily filled columns (4,4 ) and (4,3 ).
This should give you a start |
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swaroop2011
Posts: 668
Country : India | amitsowani - 2015-11-01 8:21 AM
swaroop2011 - 2015-11-01 7:00 AM
Would appreciate if anyone can tell the path for Magnets last one. (I could place only 3 magnets in the entire grid after lot of struggle) ?
The fourth magnets puzzle uses minmax constraints.
Look at columns 3,4 and 5.
A column with few signs filled (2,2 ) is surrounded by two heavily filled columns (4,4 ) and (4,3 ).
This should give you a start
Thanks amit. But I guess you are explaining it for Magnets 8 pointer (3rd puzzle ). That I already got. I am asking for last one (4th Puzzle - 9 pointer ) ? |
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ghirsch
Posts: 102
Country : United States | ghirsch posted @ 2015-11-01 11:25 AM Regarding the booklet formatting, I somewhat prefer the bank in domino puzzles to be formatted as below (or flipped ) rather than the way they were in this test. The disadvantage is that it takes up more space, but for me it makes it much easier to think about which dominoes I have already found and which I have left. I don't know what other people's opinions about this are though, so maybe this is just me.
 Edited by ghirsch 2015-11-01 11:29 AM
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amitsowani
Posts: 349
Country : India | swaroop2011 - 2015-11-01 10:07 AM
amitsowani - 2015-11-01 8:21 AM
swaroop2011 - 2015-11-01 7:00 AM
Would appreciate if anyone can tell the path for Magnets last one. (I could place only 3 magnets in the entire grid after lot of struggle) ?
The fourth magnets puzzle uses minmax constraints.
Look at columns 3,4 and 5.
A column with few signs filled (2,2 ) is surrounded by two heavily filled columns (4,4 ) and (4,3 ).
This should give you a start
Thanks amit. But I guess you are explaining it for Magnets 8 pointer (3rd puzzle ). That I already got. I am asking for last one (4th Puzzle - 9 pointer ) ?
The fourth one is based on transfer of polarities across rows (transfer = number of unbalanced vertical magnets across the two rows ).
Look at the number of vertical magnets required across rows 4 and 5, 5 and 6. Also look at columns 6 and 7.
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Yuhei Kusui
Posts: 42
Country : Japan | | How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? | variations represented the theme well | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Fairly Nice | | | Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | Magnets | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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TiiT
Posts: 139
Country : Estonia | TiiT posted @ 2015-11-01 7:08 PM | How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? | variations represented the theme well | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | Anglers | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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rakesh_rai
Posts: 774
Country : India | | How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? | variations represented the theme well | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Too many medium difficult puzzles | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | Hashi | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
Thanks Amit for a challenging set of puzzles. Definitely harder than normal. (And this set was difficult to solve without paper. ) Most puzzles would need some tricks and techniques - a good test from a learning perspective. |
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justinlam3
Posts: 8
Country : Hong Kong | | How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? | variations represented the theme well | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Fairly Nice | | | Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | Arrows | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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Bram28
Posts: 35
Country : The Netherlands | Bram28 posted @ 2015-11-01 8:48 PM | How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? | variations represented the theme well | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Too many hard puzzles | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Fairly Nice | | | Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | Anglers | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
Got through most fairly quickly, but got completely stumped by the hard Hashi's and Magnets and ended up scoring no points in the last 15 minutes. Given the relative short test, and relative to the difficulty levels of the others, I thought those were a bit too hard. My favorite puzzle was Multiple Anglers: very nice! |
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rob
Posts: 170
Country : Germany | rob posted @ 2015-11-01 10:45 PM | How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? | variations represented the theme well | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | Arrows | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
Great test, thank you! It turns out I have some things to learn about Arrows, and also some things to practice -- I missed so many of the "obvious" deductions at first.
Edit: I think I should retract my judgement on the point distribution. I just went through my results, and things seem pretty even:
* hashi: 1.6 points/minute
* magnets: 1.4
* arrows: 0.6
* anglers: 1.6
* dominos: 1.8
The low arrows score is due to a bad performance, not due to difficulty. I did think I got through the magnets very cleanly and found the somewhat tricky deductions immediately, so that one might be a little undervalued. The dominos felt quite easy, but were low-valued accordingly. Edited by rob 2015-11-01 11:03 PM
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swaroop2011
Posts: 668
Country : India | amitsowani - 2015-11-01 2:37 PM
swaroop2011 - 2015-11-01 10:07 AM
amitsowani - 2015-11-01 8:21 AM
swaroop2011 - 2015-11-01 7:00 AM
Would appreciate if anyone can tell the path for Magnets last one. (I could place only 3 magnets in the entire grid after lot of struggle) ?
The fourth magnets puzzle uses minmax constraints.
Look at columns 3,4 and 5.
A column with few signs filled (2,2 ) is surrounded by two heavily filled columns (4,4 ) and (4,3 ).
This should give you a start
Thanks amit. But I guess you are explaining it for Magnets 8 pointer (3rd puzzle ). That I already got. I am asking for last one (4th Puzzle - 9 pointer ) ?
The fourth one is based on transfer of polarities across rows (transfer = number of unbalanced vertical magnets across the two rows ).
Look at the number of vertical magnets required across rows 4 and 5, 5 and 6. Also look at columns 6 and 7.
Thanks. I did got those magnets. But found out what I was missing. Thanks. |
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auroux
Posts: 145
Country : France | auroux posted @ 2015-11-02 11:31 AM Hmph. Assuming that one will be able to finish a PR round within 90 minutes is the wrong strategy. I never figured out how to do Arrows #3 and by the time I decided to move on it was too late to catch up. |
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auroux
Posts: 145
Country : France | auroux posted @ 2015-11-02 11:35 AM | How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? | variations represented the theme well | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Too many hard puzzles | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Fairly Nice | | | Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | Magnets | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth too much or too little | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
Arrows #3: I spent over 15 minutes on it and never found the solution or even a reasonable solve path. Hashi #2 and #3 (4 and 5 points ) took much longer than any of the Magnets puzzles (8 and 9 points ). I am not sure if the point values are aimed at beginners or at seasoned players; if the latter, then they are problematic (Magnets is easier than you seem to think it is ), if the former then the overall difficulty of the round is problematic. That said, it was still fun. Apart from Arrows #3. |
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Aruna
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Country : India | Aruna posted @ 2015-11-02 12:37 PM | How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? | variations represented the theme well | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Too many medium difficult puzzles | |
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ghirsch
Posts: 102
Country : United States | ghirsch posted @ 2015-11-02 12:48 PM auroux - 2015-11-01 12:35 PM
Arrows #3: I spent over 15 minutes on it and never found the solution or even a reasonable solve path.
If you're still looking for how to start it, I think the break-in is meant to be the 3 in the middle. There are only four possible arrows that can point to it (no diagonals ), and you can quickly find that two horizontal arrows doesn't work, so you need to do two vertical arrows. From there I don't remember running into many difficulties. |
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amitsowani
Posts: 349
Country : India | auroux - 2015-11-02 11:35 AM
Arrows #3: I spent over 15 minutes on it and never found the solution or even a reasonable solve path.
That said, it was still fun. Apart from Arrows #3.
For Arrows #3, the "3" in the center is the starting point. |
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kiwijam
Posts: 187
Country : New Zealand | kiwijam posted @ 2015-11-02 2:32 PM I have learnt that I find it surprisingly difficult to (correctly) count the number of line corners in a row or column... :)
Thanks Amit! |
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kiwijam
Posts: 187
Country : New Zealand | kiwijam posted @ 2015-11-02 2:36 PM | How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? | variations represented the theme well | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | Hashi | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
I liked the (new to me ) 5s interaction logic in the Hashis. I thought Magnets 3 was hard/undervalued. |
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An LMI player
| An LMI player posted @ 2015-11-02 3:25 PM | How well did the variants represent the theme of the test ? | variations represented the theme well | | | What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Too many hard puzzles | | | What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | | | Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | Dominos | | | Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth too much or too little | | | What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right | |
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