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@ 2013-09-18 9:06 AM (#12767 - in reply to #12762) (#12767) Top

chaotic_iak




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chaotic_iak posted @ 2013-09-18 9:06 AM

Also, in Pentomino Samurai, will we get the grid in samurai fashion in the actual PB (instead of assembling them first like in the IB)?
@ 2013-09-18 11:40 AM (#12769 - in reply to #12767) (#12769) Top

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amitsowani posted @ 2013-09-18 11:40 AM

chaotic_iak - 2013-09-18 9:06 AM

Also, in Pentomino Samurai, will we get the grid in samurai fashion in the actual PB (instead of assembling them first like in the IB)?



Th IB says that "It means that to solve the middle puzzle it is necessary to find the correct positions of outer puzzles". Identifying which corner goes where is a part of the solving process.
@ 2013-09-18 2:00 PM (#12770 - in reply to #12762) (#12770) Top

Valezius



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Valezius posted @ 2013-09-18 2:00 PM

chaotic_iak - 2013-09-18 8:18 AM

In IB, the rules of Price Tag has the following: "each placeholder becomes a digit". Does this mean every set of segments must become a digit and may not be left empty? For example, in "_1 + _9 = 10", there are two empty places.


There aren't empty placeholders.
_1+_9=10 is invalid.
And don't forget that numbers cannot start with zero, so 01+09=10 is invalid, as well.


amitsowani - 2013-09-18 11:40 AM

chaotic_iak - 2013-09-18 9:06 AM

Also, in Pentomino Samurai, will we get the grid in samurai fashion in the actual PB (instead of assembling them first like in the IB)?



Th IB says that "It means that to solve the middle puzzle it is necessary to find the correct positions of outer puzzles". Identifying which corner goes where is a part of the solving process.


Amit is right.
There will be five separated grids. You can recognise the middle one, because its corners are grey. Just like in the example.
You have to build up the correct Samurai grid.
@ 2013-09-18 8:40 PM (#12772 - in reply to #12770) (#12772) Top

chaotic_iak




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chaotic_iak posted @ 2013-09-18 8:40 PM

For Pentomino Samurai, I suppose I don't have to rotate the grids?

Edited by chaotic_iak 2013-09-18 8:41 PM
@ 2013-09-18 8:46 PM (#12773 - in reply to #12772) (#12773) Top

Valezius



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Valezius posted @ 2013-09-18 8:46 PM

chaotic_iak - 2013-09-18 8:40 PM

For Pentomino Samurai, I suppose I don't have to rotate the grids?


You're right. I missed this points from the IB.
The grids cannot rotated or reflected.
@ 2013-09-20 8:13 PM (#12791 - in reply to #12720) (#12791) Top

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devarajand posted @ 2013-09-20 8:13 PM

In Pentomino Samurai is multiple solutions possible while individually solving, or individual grids also will have unique solution.
@ 2013-09-20 10:16 PM (#12793 - in reply to #12791) (#12793) Top

debmohanty




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debmohanty posted @ 2013-09-20 10:16 PM

devarajand - 2013-09-20 8:13 PM

In Pentomino Samurai is multiple solutions possible while individually solving, or individual grids also will have unique solution.
The four outer puzzles have unique solutions, when solved independently.
@ 2013-09-21 9:24 PM (#12813 - in reply to #12720) (#12813) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2013-09-21 9:24 PM

Points table

Each round, as mentioned in IB, is worth 120 points. Here is the break up.

Round 1 - Price Tag - 3 puzzles. 30 + 40 + 50
Round 2 - Pentomino Samurai - The 4 outside puzzles are 20 points each. The central puzzle is 40 points.
Round 3 - Great Wall - 8 puzzles, each Wall puzzle is 15 points.
Round 4 - Black & White Matrix - 12 puzzles, each individual puzzle is 10 points.

Also, a quick note about Instant Grading - Each puzzle has a "Submit" button, so you can check the small puzzle's correctness before finishing the complete round.

@ 2013-09-21 10:49 PM (#12815 - in reply to #12813) (#12815) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2013-09-21 10:49 PM

About the pdfs & links

There will be four different pdfs, each with a separate password. When you start a particular round, you will have the password for that round's pdf file.

Round 1 - 3 pages - Link to start round 1
Round 2 - 3 pages - Link to start round 2
Round 3 - 1 page - Link to start round 3
Round 4 - 2 pages - Link to start round 4


@ 2013-09-22 8:21 AM (#12818 - in reply to #12720) (#12818) Top

ksun48



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ksun48 posted @ 2013-09-22 8:21 AM

How do we view score page for each puzzle?

Edited by ksun48 2013-09-22 8:25 AM
@ 2013-09-22 8:27 AM (#12819 - in reply to #12818) (#12819) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2013-09-22 8:27 AM

ksun48 - 2013-09-22 8:21 AM

How do we view score page for each puzzle?
The score page is not ready (yet).
@ 2013-09-22 1:03 PM (#12820 - in reply to #12720) (#12820) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2013-09-22 1:03 PM

This thread is now restricted.
@ 2013-09-22 5:31 PM (#12822 - in reply to #12733) (#12822) Top

ladyleatherneck



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ladyleatherneck posted @ 2013-09-22 5:31 PM

Where do I find the password? Thanks
@ 2013-09-22 5:36 PM (#12823 - in reply to #12720) (#12823) Top

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Puzlifouk posted @ 2013-09-22 5:36 PM

Very pleasant contest ! I'm very proud of finishing the 1st round within 60 minutes, and very sad of having sent a wrong submission (a stupid wrong touch) on the 1st puzzle.
A point is not clear : because of my stupid mistake, I know I will have a penality of 1.5 minutes, but I never saw that I will lost 10% of the puzzle points (so my points are 27+40+50 instead of 30+40+50). Why ?
No mention of this point in the IB, neither in this thread !?
@ 2013-09-22 6:18 PM (#12824 - in reply to #12823) (#12824) Top

Valezius



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Valezius posted @ 2013-09-22 6:18 PM

Puzlifouk - 2013-09-22 5:36 PM

Very pleasant contest ! I'm very proud of finishing the 1st round within 60 minutes, and very sad of having sent a wrong submission (a stupid wrong touch) on the 1st puzzle.
A point is not clear : because of my stupid mistake, I know I will have a penality of 1.5 minutes, but I never saw that I will lost 10% of the puzzle points (so my points are 27+40+50 instead of 30+40+50). Why ?
No mention of this point in the IB, neither in this thread !?


Hi, there is no points penalty for wrong submissions.

however, the test has a very difficult point system, so it can have some wrong elements. I'm sure Deb will fix it soon. No need to worry. Finally, you will get 120 points.

Zoltán
@ 2013-09-22 6:19 PM (#12825 - in reply to #12822) (#12825) Top

Valezius



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Valezius posted @ 2013-09-22 6:19 PM

ladyleatherneck - 2013-09-22 5:31 PM

Where do I find the password? Thanks


If you push the start button. You will get the password for the pdf of that round.
There are 4 pdf with 4 different pssword and four start button.

Zoltán
@ 2013-09-22 6:21 PM (#12826 - in reply to #12720) (#12826) Top

ksun48



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ksun48 posted @ 2013-09-22 6:21 PM

For Great Wall, can segments be on the grid edges?
@ 2013-09-22 6:34 PM (#12828 - in reply to #12824) (#12828) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2013-09-22 6:34 PM

Valezius - 2013-09-22 6:18 PM

Puzlifouk - 2013-09-22 5:36 PM

Very pleasant contest ! [restricted], and very sad of having sent a wrong submission (a stupid wrong touch) on the 1st puzzle.
A point is not clear : because of my stupid mistake, I know I will have a penality of 1.5 minutes, but I never saw that I will lost 10% of the puzzle points (so my points are 27+40+50 instead of 30+40+50). Why ?
No mention of this point in the IB, neither in this thread !?


Hi, there is no points penalty for wrong submissions.

however, the test has a very difficult point system, so it can have some wrong elements. I'm sure Deb will fix it soon. No need to worry. Finally, you will get 120 points.

Zoltán
Zoltan is right. This is just a placeholder score page. It will take a while to have the official score page. The current score page is applying the logic of DTGT.

Hope you enjoy the other rounds too.
@ 2013-09-22 7:15 PM (#12829 - in reply to #12826) (#12829) Top

Valezius



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Valezius posted @ 2013-09-22 7:15 PM

ksun48 - 2013-09-22 6:21 PM

For Great Wall, can segments be on the grid edges?


No. Rules from the IB:

"the whole grid consists exactly one line which starts and ends on the edge of the grid, and never goes again on the edge or on dotted line. "
@ 2013-09-22 7:54 PM (#12830 - in reply to #12720) (#12830) Top

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edderiofer posted @ 2013-09-22 7:54 PM

In round 4, I can't seem to resolve grids 6, 7, 10, and 11 at the same time.
Given my answer to grids 4, 8, and 12, the I-pentomino must lie at the very bottom of grid 7. However, this means (via shading a few cells in grid 6) that in grid 10, R3C10 is shaded, forcing R1C2~6 and R3~4C1 to be shaded in grid 11. It is impossible to have paths go through all of these cells, so I must conclude that the puzzle is broken.
@ 2013-09-22 8:00 PM (#12831 - in reply to #12830) (#12831) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2013-09-22 8:00 PM

edderiofer - 2013-09-22 7:54 PM

In round 4, I can't seem to resolve grids [restricted]
Please note that in puzzle 7 (Pentomino blokus), it is not necessary to use all the pentominos. (Each pentomino should be used either once or never)
@ 2013-09-22 8:03 PM (#12832 - in reply to #12831) (#12832) Top

edderiofer




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edderiofer posted @ 2013-09-22 8:03 PM

debmohanty - 2013-09-22 3:00 PM Please note that in puzzle 7 (Pentomino blokus), it is not necessary to use all the pentominos. (Each pentomino should be used either once or never)

Well, thanks for telling me that. I would never have noticed otherwise.
@ 2013-09-22 8:06 PM (#12833 - in reply to #12830) (#12833) Top

Valezius



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Valezius posted @ 2013-09-22 8:06 PM

edderiofer - 2013-09-22 7:54 PM

In round 4, I can't seem to resolve grids 6, 7, 10, and 11 at the same time.
Given my answer to grids 4, 8, and 12, the I-pentomino must lie at the very bottom of grid 7. However, this means (via shading a few cells in grid 6) that in grid 10, R3C10 is shaded, forcing R1C2~6 and R3~4C1 to be shaded in grid 11. It is impossible to have paths go through all of these cells, so I must conclude that the puzzle is broken.


I can say only two things.
The first is that some people have already solved this puzzle. So I'm pretty sure it has solution.
The second is that, maybe it can help if you read again the rules of 6,7,10,11, and look at the sample grids.
@ 2013-09-23 12:39 AM (#12839 - in reply to #12720) (#12839) Top

ksun48



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ksun48 posted @ 2013-09-23 12:39 AM

Wow, the Black and White seemed to be much harder than the other three puzzles (like it took almost 3x as long)
@ 2013-09-23 12:49 PM (#12843 - in reply to #12720) (#12843) Top

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Gotroch posted @ 2013-09-23 12:49 PM

 What was your most favorite round? Round 4 - Black & White Matrix
 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


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