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WPMM — LMI September Puzzle Test #2 — 22nd - 29th September 201382 posts • Page 1 of 4 • 1 2 3 4
@ 2013-09-21 9:24 PM (#12813 - in reply to #12720) (#12813) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2013-09-21 9:24 PM

Points table

Each round, as mentioned in IB, is worth 120 points. Here is the break up.

Round 1 - Price Tag - 3 puzzles. 30 + 40 + 50
Round 2 - Pentomino Samurai - The 4 outside puzzles are 20 points each. The central puzzle is 40 points.
Round 3 - Great Wall - 8 puzzles, each Wall puzzle is 15 points.
Round 4 - Black & White Matrix - 12 puzzles, each individual puzzle is 10 points.

Also, a quick note about Instant Grading - Each puzzle has a "Submit" button, so you can check the small puzzle's correctness before finishing the complete round.

@ 2013-09-21 10:49 PM (#12815 - in reply to #12813) (#12815) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2013-09-21 10:49 PM

About the pdfs & links

There will be four different pdfs, each with a separate password. When you start a particular round, you will have the password for that round's pdf file.

Round 1 - 3 pages - Link to start round 1
Round 2 - 3 pages - Link to start round 2
Round 3 - 1 page - Link to start round 3
Round 4 - 2 pages - Link to start round 4


@ 2013-09-22 8:21 AM (#12818 - in reply to #12720) (#12818) Top

ksun48



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ksun48 posted @ 2013-09-22 8:21 AM

How do we view score page for each puzzle?

Edited by ksun48 2013-09-22 8:25 AM
@ 2013-09-22 8:27 AM (#12819 - in reply to #12818) (#12819) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2013-09-22 8:27 AM

ksun48 - 2013-09-22 8:21 AM

How do we view score page for each puzzle?
The score page is not ready (yet).
@ 2013-09-22 1:03 PM (#12820 - in reply to #12720) (#12820) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2013-09-22 1:03 PM

This thread is now restricted.
@ 2013-09-22 5:31 PM (#12822 - in reply to #12733) (#12822) Top

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ladyleatherneck posted @ 2013-09-22 5:31 PM

Where do I find the password? Thanks
@ 2013-09-22 5:36 PM (#12823 - in reply to #12720) (#12823) Top

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Puzlifouk posted @ 2013-09-22 5:36 PM

Very pleasant contest ! I'm very proud of finishing the 1st round within 60 minutes, and very sad of having sent a wrong submission (a stupid wrong touch) on the 1st puzzle.
A point is not clear : because of my stupid mistake, I know I will have a penality of 1.5 minutes, but I never saw that I will lost 10% of the puzzle points (so my points are 27+40+50 instead of 30+40+50). Why ?
No mention of this point in the IB, neither in this thread !?
@ 2013-09-22 6:18 PM (#12824 - in reply to #12823) (#12824) Top

Valezius



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Valezius posted @ 2013-09-22 6:18 PM

Puzlifouk - 2013-09-22 5:36 PM

Very pleasant contest ! I'm very proud of finishing the 1st round within 60 minutes, and very sad of having sent a wrong submission (a stupid wrong touch) on the 1st puzzle.
A point is not clear : because of my stupid mistake, I know I will have a penality of 1.5 minutes, but I never saw that I will lost 10% of the puzzle points (so my points are 27+40+50 instead of 30+40+50). Why ?
No mention of this point in the IB, neither in this thread !?


Hi, there is no points penalty for wrong submissions.

however, the test has a very difficult point system, so it can have some wrong elements. I'm sure Deb will fix it soon. No need to worry. Finally, you will get 120 points.

Zoltán
@ 2013-09-22 6:19 PM (#12825 - in reply to #12822) (#12825) Top

Valezius



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Valezius posted @ 2013-09-22 6:19 PM

ladyleatherneck - 2013-09-22 5:31 PM

Where do I find the password? Thanks


If you push the start button. You will get the password for the pdf of that round.
There are 4 pdf with 4 different pssword and four start button.

Zoltán
@ 2013-09-22 6:21 PM (#12826 - in reply to #12720) (#12826) Top

ksun48



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ksun48 posted @ 2013-09-22 6:21 PM

For Great Wall, can segments be on the grid edges?
@ 2013-09-22 6:34 PM (#12828 - in reply to #12824) (#12828) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2013-09-22 6:34 PM

Valezius - 2013-09-22 6:18 PM

Puzlifouk - 2013-09-22 5:36 PM

Very pleasant contest ! [restricted], and very sad of having sent a wrong submission (a stupid wrong touch) on the 1st puzzle.
A point is not clear : because of my stupid mistake, I know I will have a penality of 1.5 minutes, but I never saw that I will lost 10% of the puzzle points (so my points are 27+40+50 instead of 30+40+50). Why ?
No mention of this point in the IB, neither in this thread !?


Hi, there is no points penalty for wrong submissions.

however, the test has a very difficult point system, so it can have some wrong elements. I'm sure Deb will fix it soon. No need to worry. Finally, you will get 120 points.

Zoltán
Zoltan is right. This is just a placeholder score page. It will take a while to have the official score page. The current score page is applying the logic of DTGT.

Hope you enjoy the other rounds too.
@ 2013-09-22 7:15 PM (#12829 - in reply to #12826) (#12829) Top

Valezius



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Valezius posted @ 2013-09-22 7:15 PM

ksun48 - 2013-09-22 6:21 PM

For Great Wall, can segments be on the grid edges?


No. Rules from the IB:

"the whole grid consists exactly one line which starts and ends on the edge of the grid, and never goes again on the edge or on dotted line. "
@ 2013-09-22 7:54 PM (#12830 - in reply to #12720) (#12830) Top

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edderiofer posted @ 2013-09-22 7:54 PM

In round 4, I can't seem to resolve grids 6, 7, 10, and 11 at the same time.
Given my answer to grids 4, 8, and 12, the I-pentomino must lie at the very bottom of grid 7. However, this means (via shading a few cells in grid 6) that in grid 10, R3C10 is shaded, forcing R1C2~6 and R3~4C1 to be shaded in grid 11. It is impossible to have paths go through all of these cells, so I must conclude that the puzzle is broken.
@ 2013-09-22 8:00 PM (#12831 - in reply to #12830) (#12831) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2013-09-22 8:00 PM

edderiofer - 2013-09-22 7:54 PM

In round 4, I can't seem to resolve grids [restricted]
Please note that in puzzle 7 (Pentomino blokus), it is not necessary to use all the pentominos. (Each pentomino should be used either once or never)
@ 2013-09-22 8:03 PM (#12832 - in reply to #12831) (#12832) Top

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edderiofer posted @ 2013-09-22 8:03 PM

debmohanty - 2013-09-22 3:00 PM Please note that in puzzle 7 (Pentomino blokus), it is not necessary to use all the pentominos. (Each pentomino should be used either once or never)

Well, thanks for telling me that. I would never have noticed otherwise.
@ 2013-09-22 8:06 PM (#12833 - in reply to #12830) (#12833) Top

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Valezius posted @ 2013-09-22 8:06 PM

edderiofer - 2013-09-22 7:54 PM

In round 4, I can't seem to resolve grids 6, 7, 10, and 11 at the same time.
Given my answer to grids 4, 8, and 12, the I-pentomino must lie at the very bottom of grid 7. However, this means (via shading a few cells in grid 6) that in grid 10, R3C10 is shaded, forcing R1C2~6 and R3~4C1 to be shaded in grid 11. It is impossible to have paths go through all of these cells, so I must conclude that the puzzle is broken.


I can say only two things.
The first is that some people have already solved this puzzle. So I'm pretty sure it has solution.
The second is that, maybe it can help if you read again the rules of 6,7,10,11, and look at the sample grids.
@ 2013-09-23 12:39 AM (#12839 - in reply to #12720) (#12839) Top

ksun48



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ksun48 posted @ 2013-09-23 12:39 AM

Wow, the Black and White seemed to be much harder than the other three puzzles (like it took almost 3x as long)
@ 2013-09-23 12:49 PM (#12843 - in reply to #12720) (#12843) Top

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Gotroch posted @ 2013-09-23 12:49 PM

 What was your most favorite round? Round 4 - Black & White Matrix
 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2013-09-23 6:10 PM (#12851 - in reply to #12720) (#12851) Top

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chaotic_iak posted @ 2013-09-23 6:10 PM

 What was your most favorite round? Round 4 - Black & White Matrix
 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Answer keys could have been better
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? I have a different complaint


The only two complaints about the PB are also the complaints that makes my perception that this test has the worst PB. No rules in PB and no numbering puzzles. No rules means one must always have the IB along, and no numbering puzzles means it gets really confusing to figure out which answer key we have just retrieved. (On a tangential note, answer keys could have been better, but that's not the main problem.)

The puzzles themselves are pretty nice. I'm not sure whether it's just my problem or indeed Round 4 is too devilish, but I'm pretty sure things are imbalanced when Rounds 1 and 3 are topped at 15 minutes something while Rounds 2 and 4 are topped at 30 minutes something. (But hey, it's still first two days.)

Well, that's all, I suppose. Also, as a closing remark, there is some kind of wonderful accomplishment when you beat Palmer (at Round 3) :3
@ 2013-09-23 8:56 PM (#12852 - in reply to #12851) (#12852) Top

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Valezius posted @ 2013-09-23 8:56 PM

chaotic_iak - 2013-09-23 6:10 PM

The only two complaints about the PB are also the complaints that makes my perception that this test has the worst PB. No rules in PB and no numbering puzzles. No rules means one must always have the IB along, and no numbering puzzles means it gets really confusing to figure out which answer key we have just retrieved. (On a tangential note, answer keys could have been better, but that's not the main problem.)

The puzzles themselves are pretty nice. I'm not sure whether it's just my problem or indeed Round 4 is too devilish, but I'm pretty sure things are imbalanced when Rounds 1 and 3 are topped at 15 minutes something while Rounds 2 and 4 are topped at 30 minutes something. (But hey, it's still first two days.)

Well, that's all, I suppose. Also, as a closing remark, there is some kind of wonderful accomplishment when you beat Palmer (at Round 3) :3


Hi Ivan!

Thank you for your feedback.

I don't think that the lack of instruction means a problem. But the fact that I didn't clarify that the PB wouldn't contain instruction was a real problem, indeed.
Sorry for that.

In R1,R2 the puzzles have a number. You can find it in the tables on the top of the page.
In R3 there is only 1 puzzle, and in R4 it would be hard to add a puzzle number.

I think in R2, R3 and R4 the letters on the arrows can replace the numbering of puzzles.


About the answer keys: R2, R3 and R4 have a similar layout, so we wanted to creat a same answer key. This was the main point. It was important to us to avoid the confusions in such a complicated test structure.
And this was the best one that we could find out. Please let me know if you know any better. Don't forget that the instant grading needs a fix length or a fix sum.

Well, the balance of rounds was less important for us in this case. We didn't want to make a well-balanced competition just provide some practise puzzles. And we had two choices, we just publish these puzzles on the WPC blog or we announce a competition. We chose the 2nd alternative, and I think it was a good decision instead of the mistakes of this test.

I can't say that we know the 4th round is much harder than the others. It can be true.
@ 2013-09-23 9:17 PM (#12853 - in reply to #12720) (#12853) Top

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ukonet posted @ 2013-09-23 9:17 PM

 What was your most favorite round? Round 4 - Black & White Matrix
 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Too few pages / too small grids


@ 2013-09-24 7:55 AM (#12857 - in reply to #12851) (#12857) Top

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MellowMelon posted @ 2013-09-24 7:55 AM

@chaotic: Indeed, good work. I had a lot of moments where I took a few minutes to solve a grid despite it being dirt simple, so I wasn't too surprised to get beaten on that one.

I'll also be surprised if any of my current 1s hold at the end of the week. I didn't completely blunder any of the rounds, but I didn't exactly hit any home runs either...
@ 2013-09-24 10:46 PM (#12862 - in reply to #12720) (#12862) Top

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rvarun posted @ 2013-09-24 10:46 PM

Hi

I have a query on Round 4. It states that two puzzles will be identical in the shared edge.

Is this implies that Puzzle 1 and 2 share an edge and Puzzle 1 and 5 share an edge. Can someone clarify this rule for me.
@ 2013-09-24 11:06 PM (#12863 - in reply to #12862) (#12863) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2013-09-24 11:06 PM

rvarun - 2013-09-24 10:46 PM

Hi

I have a query on Round 4. It states that two puzzles will be identical in the shared edge.

Is this implies that Puzzle 1 and 2 share an edge and Puzzle 1 and 5 share an edge. Can someone clarify this rule for me.
I am not sure what exactly your question is.
So puzzle 1 and puzzle 2 share an edge. Since you already have the pdf, I can say that Column 10 of puzzle 1 and column 1 of puzzle 2 should be identical. Like in the image below.

Does it help? Feel free to post if something is still not clear.






(Shared Shading.png)



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@ 2013-09-24 11:15 PM (#12865 - in reply to #12720) (#12865) Top

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rvarun posted @ 2013-09-24 11:15 PM

Thanks Admin. So similarly, Row 10 of Puzzle 1 and Row 1 of Puzzle 5 will be identical and so on.

Also I have a question in Paint it Black. I will send a PM to you as I dont feel I can post here.
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