Thread - JPL2 — LMI November Puzzle Test

@ 2013-11-23 6:02 AM (#13561) (#13561) Top

Administrator

Country : India

Administrator posted @ 2013-11-23 6:02 AM

/*
Sequel to one of the best puzzle tests at LMI.
Details coming really soon.
*/

@ 2013-11-23 8:03 AM (#13562 - in reply to #13561) (#13562) Top

swaroop2011

Posts: 668

Country : India

swaroop2011 posted @ 2013-11-23 8:03 AM

wow really excited. :)

@ 2013-11-23 7:31 PM (#13565 - in reply to #13561) (#13565) Top

kishy72

Posts: 419

Country : India

kishy72 posted @ 2013-11-23 7:31 PM

Administrator - 2013-11-23 6:02 AM

/*
Sequel to one of the best puzzle tests at LMI.
Details coming really soon.
*/

Deb!If that statement is something to go by,I would place my bet on Akil Oyunlari!!!

@ 2013-11-24 12:33 AM (#13570 - in reply to #13565) (#13570) Top

tamz29

Posts: 225

Country : Thailand

tamz29 posted @ 2013-11-24 12:33 AM

Fillomino Fillia 3

@ 2013-11-25 6:42 AM (#13574 - in reply to #13561) (#13574) Top

Administrator

Country : India

Administrator posted @ 2013-11-25 6:42 AM

Logic Masters India announces JPL2 — LMI November Puzzle Test

Dates : 30^th Nov — 2^nd Dec

Instruction Booklet & Submission : Link

Authors : Yosuke Imai, Daisuke Takei, Takeya Saikachi, Atsumi Hirose

Test Solvers : Yuka Jo & Hideaki Jo

@ 2013-11-25 12:14 PM (#13577 - in reply to #13561) (#13577) Top

prasanna16391

Posts: 1801

Country : India

prasanna16391 posted @ 2013-11-25 12:14 PM

Wonderful. I was ranked 162nd in JPL1. Time to continue the mad improvement in sequels

Really looking forward to this one. JPL1 falls under the category of "tests I wasn't fully able to appreciate when I just knew a handful of puzzle types".

@ 2013-11-25 3:04 PM (#13578 - in reply to #13561) (#13578) Top

mathcrazy

Posts: 35

Country : India

mathcrazy posted @ 2013-11-25 3:04 PM

Hi, I have a doubt with respect to the puzzle "Arrow Connection". One of the rules mention "A direction is given if and only if it is used". What does this imply? Why are directions not shown in all boxes wherever the loop traverses?

@ 2013-11-25 3:43 PM (#13579 - in reply to #13578) (#13579) Top

deu

Posts: 69

Country : Japan

deu posted @ 2013-11-25 3:43 PM

mathcrazy - 2013-11-25 3:04 PM

Hi, I have a doubt with respect to the puzzle "Arrow Connection". One of the rules mention "A direction is given if and only if it is used". What does this imply? Why are directions not shown in all boxes wherever the loop traverses?

This rule applies only to clued cells. So, for each cell in the grid, either "all possible directions are given" or "no information is given" must be true. I hope this is clear.

@ 2013-11-25 3:46 PM (#13580 - in reply to #13579) (#13580) Top

mathcrazy

Posts: 35

Country : India

mathcrazy posted @ 2013-11-25 3:46 PM

deu - 2013-11-25 3:43 PM

This rule applies only to clued cells. So, for each cell in the grid, either "all possible directions are given" or "no information is given" must be true. I hope this is clear.

Yes, that cleared my doubt.

@ 2013-11-25 6:41 PM (#13581 - in reply to #13580) (#13581) Top

tamz29

Posts: 225

Country : Thailand

tamz29 posted @ 2013-11-25 6:41 PM

Number Connection: do all cells have to be used?

@ 2013-11-25 6:51 PM (#13582 - in reply to #13581) (#13582) Top

deu

Posts: 69

Country : Japan

deu posted @ 2013-11-25 6:51 PM

tamz29 - 2013-11-25 6:41 PM

Number Connection: do all cells have to be used?

Not necessarily. There may be some unused cells.

@ 2013-11-25 7:46 PM (#13583 - in reply to #13582) (#13583) Top

Para

Posts: 315

Country : The Netherlands

Para posted @ 2013-11-25 7:46 PM

In Arrow Connection if an arrow appears twice around a cell, is an arrow given twice or once. I know it's not possible in the example as the start and goal are in the corners, but with different start and goal points, this could happen. For example, when you draw a spiral.

@ 2013-11-25 9:01 PM (#13585 - in reply to #13583) (#13585) Top

deu

Posts: 69

Country : Japan

deu posted @ 2013-11-25 9:01 PM

Para - 2013-11-25 7:46 PM

In Arrow Connection if an arrow appears twice around a cell, is an arrow given twice or once. I know it's not possible in the example as the start and goal are in the corners, but with different start and goal points, this could happen. For example, when you draw a spiral.

Good question. An arrow is given only once even in such cases.

@ 2013-11-27 10:16 PM (#13599 - in reply to #13574) (#13599) Top

tnv

Posts: 22

Country : India

tnv posted @ 2013-11-27 10:16 PM

Waiting for practice puzzles.

--TNV

@ 2013-11-28 7:44 PM (#13602 - in reply to #13561) (#13602) Top

Administrator

Country : India

Administrator posted @ 2013-11-28 7:44 PM

A practice puzzles PDF has now been posted on the submission site (Link). Please note that some of the puzzles may be of a harder difficulty than their counterparts appearing in the test.

@ 2013-11-28 11:20 PM (#13605 - in reply to #13561) (#13605) Top

rob

Posts: 170

Country : Germany

rob posted @ 2013-11-28 11:20 PM

Thanks, that's quite a nice service! Really looking forward to the test now.

@ 2013-11-29 7:07 AM (#13607 - in reply to #13561) (#13607) Top

swaroop2011

Posts: 668

Country : India

swaroop2011 posted @ 2013-11-29 7:07 AM

In Divided sum cross it says " no digit repeat within a single group divided by black cells".
so if clue is 7:_ _ _ _ _ :17 (5 cells blank in between). so is all 5 cells considered one group or is considered as two groups ?

@ 2013-11-29 8:42 AM (#13609 - in reply to #13607) (#13609) Top

deu

Posts: 69

Country : Japan

deu posted @ 2013-11-29 8:42 AM

swaroop2011 - 2013-11-29 7:07 AM

In Divided sum cross it says " no digit repeat within a single group divided by black cells".
so if clue is 7:_ _ _ _ _ :17 (5 cells blank in between). so is all 5 cells considered one group or is considered as two groups ?

All 5 cells are considered as one group. So, solutions like 7:1 6 | 4 7 6 :17 (two 6's in one group) are not allowed.

@ 2013-11-29 11:08 AM (#13611 - in reply to #13609) (#13611) Top

swaroop2011

Posts: 668

Country : India

swaroop2011 posted @ 2013-11-29 11:08 AM

deu - 2013-11-29 8:42 AM

All 5 cells are considered as one group. So, solutions like 7:1 6 | 4 7 6 :17 (two 6's in one group) are not allowed.

ok thanks :)

@ 2013-11-29 3:45 PM (#13612 - in reply to #13561) (#13612) Top

swaroop2011

Posts: 668

Country : India

swaroop2011 posted @ 2013-11-29 3:45 PM

Practice puzzles are awesome! Gave us clear idea about how to think about these puzzles.
Looking forward to the test :)

@ 2013-11-29 11:39 PM (#13616 - in reply to #13561) (#13616) Top

Administrator

Country : India

Administrator posted @ 2013-11-29 11:39 PM

@ 2013-11-30 5:15 AM (#13618 - in reply to #13561) (#13618) Top

Administrator

Country : India

Administrator posted @ 2013-11-30 5:15 AM

Announcements

Updated versions of IB (with points table) uploaded

Password protected PB uploaded. It has 12 pages, each page has 2 puzzles

Bonus = 8 points per minute saved, if all answers are submitted and there is at most 1 small mistake.

Remember to enter unit digit only in case of two digit numbers. The submission page will check only for unit digit.

@ 2013-11-30 7:44 PM (#13623 - in reply to #13561) (#13623) Top

ladyleatherneck

Posts: 4

Country : United States

ladyleatherneck posted @ 2013-11-30 7:44 PM

I don't see the link for the password. What am I missing? thanks

@ 2013-11-30 8:13 PM (#13624 - in reply to #13623) (#13624) Top

Administrator

Country : India

Administrator posted @ 2013-11-30 8:13 PM

ladyleatherneck - 2013-11-30 7:44 PM

I don't see the link for the password. What am I missing? thanks

You have to first login at the submission page ( http://logicmastersindia.com/2013/11P/ ). Then click on "Start Japanese Puzzle Land 2". You will see the password. From the database log, we see that you have not "started" the test yet. After you start, you will have 2 hours to solve and submit as many puzzles.

Please check the F.A.Q. which explains these steps with some images. Please post here if something is not clear.

@ 2013-11-30 8:45 PM (#13625 - in reply to #13624) (#13625) Top

ladyleatherneck

Posts: 4

Country : United States

ladyleatherneck posted @ 2013-11-30 8:45 PM

Thanks. Looked to me like I was logged in.


	@ 2013-11-23 6:02 AM (#13561) (#13561) Top
Administrator Country : India	Administrator posted @ 2013-11-23 6:02 AM /* Sequel to one of the best puzzle tests at LMI. Details coming really soon. */
	@ 2013-11-23 8:03 AM (#13562 - in reply to #13561) (#13562) Top
swaroop2011 Posts: 668 Country : India	swaroop2011 posted @ 2013-11-23 8:03 AM wow really excited. :)
	@ 2013-11-23 7:31 PM (#13565 - in reply to #13561) (#13565) Top
kishy72 Posts: 419 Country : India	kishy72 posted @ 2013-11-23 7:31 PM Administrator - 2013-11-23 6:02 AM /* Sequel to one of the best puzzle tests at LMI. Details coming really soon. */ Deb!If that statement is something to go by,I would place my bet on Akil Oyunlari!!!
	@ 2013-11-24 12:33 AM (#13570 - in reply to #13565) (#13570) Top
tamz29 Posts: 225 Country : Thailand	tamz29 posted @ 2013-11-24 12:33 AM Fillomino Fillia 3
	@ 2013-11-25 6:42 AM (#13574 - in reply to #13561) (#13574) Top
Administrator Country : India	Administrator posted @ 2013-11-25 6:42 AM Logic Masters India announces JPL2 — LMI November Puzzle Test Dates : 30^th Nov — 2^nd Dec Instruction Booklet & Submission : Link Authors : Yosuke Imai, Daisuke Takei, Takeya Saikachi, Atsumi Hirose Test Solvers : Yuka Jo & Hideaki Jo
	@ 2013-11-25 12:14 PM (#13577 - in reply to #13561) (#13577) Top
prasanna16391 Posts: 1801 Country : India	prasanna16391 posted @ 2013-11-25 12:14 PM Wonderful. I was ranked 162nd in JPL1. Time to continue the mad improvement in sequels Really looking forward to this one. JPL1 falls under the category of "tests I wasn't fully able to appreciate when I just knew a handful of puzzle types".
	@ 2013-11-25 3:04 PM (#13578 - in reply to #13561) (#13578) Top
mathcrazy Posts: 35 Country : India	mathcrazy posted @ 2013-11-25 3:04 PM Hi, I have a doubt with respect to the puzzle "Arrow Connection". One of the rules mention "A direction is given if and only if it is used". What does this imply? Why are directions not shown in all boxes wherever the loop traverses?
	@ 2013-11-25 3:43 PM (#13579 - in reply to #13578) (#13579) Top
deu Posts: 69 Country : Japan	deu posted @ 2013-11-25 3:43 PM mathcrazy - 2013-11-25 3:04 PM Hi, I have a doubt with respect to the puzzle "Arrow Connection". One of the rules mention "A direction is given if and only if it is used". What does this imply? Why are directions not shown in all boxes wherever the loop traverses? This rule applies only to clued cells. So, for each cell in the grid, either "all possible directions are given" or "no information is given" must be true. I hope this is clear.
	@ 2013-11-25 3:46 PM (#13580 - in reply to #13579) (#13580) Top
mathcrazy Posts: 35 Country : India	mathcrazy posted @ 2013-11-25 3:46 PM deu - 2013-11-25 3:43 PM mathcrazy - 2013-11-25 3:04 PM Hi, I have a doubt with respect to the puzzle "Arrow Connection". One of the rules mention "A direction is given if and only if it is used". What does this imply? Why are directions not shown in all boxes wherever the loop traverses? This rule applies only to clued cells. So, for each cell in the grid, either "all possible directions are given" or "no information is given" must be true. I hope this is clear. Yes, that cleared my doubt.
	@ 2013-11-25 6:41 PM (#13581 - in reply to #13580) (#13581) Top
tamz29 Posts: 225 Country : Thailand	tamz29 posted @ 2013-11-25 6:41 PM Number Connection: do all cells have to be used?
	@ 2013-11-25 6:51 PM (#13582 - in reply to #13581) (#13582) Top
deu Posts: 69 Country : Japan	deu posted @ 2013-11-25 6:51 PM tamz29 - 2013-11-25 6:41 PM Number Connection: do all cells have to be used? Not necessarily. There may be some unused cells.
	@ 2013-11-25 7:46 PM (#13583 - in reply to #13582) (#13583) Top
Para Posts: 315 Country : The Netherlands	Para posted @ 2013-11-25 7:46 PM In Arrow Connection if an arrow appears twice around a cell, is an arrow given twice or once. I know it's not possible in the example as the start and goal are in the corners, but with different start and goal points, this could happen. For example, when you draw a spiral.
	@ 2013-11-25 9:01 PM (#13585 - in reply to #13583) (#13585) Top
deu Posts: 69 Country : Japan	deu posted @ 2013-11-25 9:01 PM Para - 2013-11-25 7:46 PM In Arrow Connection if an arrow appears twice around a cell, is an arrow given twice or once. I know it's not possible in the example as the start and goal are in the corners, but with different start and goal points, this could happen. For example, when you draw a spiral. Good question. An arrow is given only once even in such cases.
	@ 2013-11-27 10:16 PM (#13599 - in reply to #13574) (#13599) Top
tnv Posts: 22 Country : India	tnv posted @ 2013-11-27 10:16 PM Waiting for practice puzzles. --TNV
	@ 2013-11-28 7:44 PM (#13602 - in reply to #13561) (#13602) Top
Administrator Country : India	Administrator posted @ 2013-11-28 7:44 PM A practice puzzles PDF has now been posted on the submission site (Link). Please note that some of the puzzles may be of a harder difficulty than their counterparts appearing in the test.
	@ 2013-11-28 11:20 PM (#13605 - in reply to #13561) (#13605) Top
rob Posts: 170 Country : Germany	rob posted @ 2013-11-28 11:20 PM Thanks, that's quite a nice service! Really looking forward to the test now.
	@ 2013-11-29 7:07 AM (#13607 - in reply to #13561) (#13607) Top
swaroop2011 Posts: 668 Country : India	swaroop2011 posted @ 2013-11-29 7:07 AM In Divided sum cross it says " no digit repeat within a single group divided by black cells". so if clue is 7:_ _ _ _ _ :17 (5 cells blank in between). so is all 5 cells considered one group or is considered as two groups ?
	@ 2013-11-29 8:42 AM (#13609 - in reply to #13607) (#13609) Top
deu Posts: 69 Country : Japan	deu posted @ 2013-11-29 8:42 AM swaroop2011 - 2013-11-29 7:07 AM In Divided sum cross it says " no digit repeat within a single group divided by black cells". so if clue is 7:_ _ _ _ _ :17 (5 cells blank in between). so is all 5 cells considered one group or is considered as two groups ? All 5 cells are considered as one group. So, solutions like 7:1 6 \| 4 7 6 :17 (two 6's in one group) are not allowed.
	@ 2013-11-29 11:08 AM (#13611 - in reply to #13609) (#13611) Top
swaroop2011 Posts: 668 Country : India	swaroop2011 posted @ 2013-11-29 11:08 AM deu - 2013-11-29 8:42 AM swaroop2011 - 2013-11-29 7:07 AM In Divided sum cross it says " no digit repeat within a single group divided by black cells". so if clue is 7:_ _ _ _ _ :17 (5 cells blank in between). so is all 5 cells considered one group or is considered as two groups ? All 5 cells are considered as one group. So, solutions like 7:1 6 \| 4 7 6 :17 (two 6's in one group) are not allowed. ok thanks :)
	@ 2013-11-29 3:45 PM (#13612 - in reply to #13561) (#13612) Top
swaroop2011 Posts: 668 Country : India	swaroop2011 posted @ 2013-11-29 3:45 PM Practice puzzles are awesome! Gave us clear idea about how to think about these puzzles. Looking forward to the test :)
	@ 2013-11-29 11:39 PM (#13616 - in reply to #13561) (#13616) Top
Administrator Country : India	Administrator posted @ 2013-11-29 11:39 PM
	@ 2013-11-30 5:15 AM (#13618 - in reply to #13561) (#13618) Top
Administrator Country : India	Administrator posted @ 2013-11-30 5:15 AM Announcements Updated versions of IB (with points table) uploaded Password protected PB uploaded. It has 12 pages, each page has 2 puzzles Bonus = 8 points per minute saved, if all answers are submitted and there is at most 1 small mistake. Remember to enter unit digit only in case of two digit numbers. The submission page will check only for unit digit.
	@ 2013-11-30 7:44 PM (#13623 - in reply to #13561) (#13623) Top
ladyleatherneck Posts: 4 Country : United States	ladyleatherneck posted @ 2013-11-30 7:44 PM I don't see the link for the password. What am I missing? thanks
	@ 2013-11-30 8:13 PM (#13624 - in reply to #13623) (#13624) Top
Administrator Country : India	Administrator posted @ 2013-11-30 8:13 PM ladyleatherneck - 2013-11-30 7:44 PM I don't see the link for the password. What am I missing? thanks You have to first login at the submission page ( http://logicmastersindia.com/2013/11P/ ). Then click on "Start Japanese Puzzle Land 2". You will see the password. From the database log, we see that you have not "started" the test yet. After you start, you will have 2 hours to solve and submit as many puzzles. Please check the F.A.Q. which explains these steps with some images. Please post here if something is not clear.
	@ 2013-11-30 8:45 PM (#13625 - in reply to #13624) (#13625) Top
ladyleatherneck Posts: 4 Country : United States	ladyleatherneck posted @ 2013-11-30 8:45 PM Thanks. Looked to me like I was logged in.