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@ 2012-09-25 4:15 PM (#8660 - in reply to #8611) (#8660) Top

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kishy72 posted @ 2012-09-25 4:15 PM

third in the series of stuck sudokus...
how do i proceed from here fellas?!

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@ 2012-09-25 4:59 PM (#8661 - in reply to #8611) (#8661) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2012-09-25 4:59 PM

R1C6 can only be 5-7 due to normal single eliminations of 3,6,2. Similarly, R1C5 can only be 2-5-7. As you have already marked R1C9 as 5-2, that makes a triplet meaning 7 can only be in R1C5/6. It can also only be in R5C5/6, as you have marked. So in C4, you get just one spot to place the 7.
@ 2012-09-25 7:49 PM (#8662 - in reply to #8661) (#8662) Top

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kishy72 posted @ 2012-09-25 7:49 PM

prasanna16391 - 2012-09-25 4:59 PM

R1C6 can only be 5-7 due to normal single eliminations of 3,6,2. Similarly, R1C5 can only be 2-5-7. As you have already marked R1C9 as 5-2, that makes a triplet meaning 7 can only be in R1C5/6. It can also only be in R5C5/6, as you have marked. So in C4, you get just one spot to place the 7.


amazing ..and here was i under the false assumption all these years that all it takes to solve a sudoku is a set of simple rules and logic when the tricks to be learnt in the trade is endless....i know i certainly wouldn't have placed that 7 after making that deduction of locking it in R1C5/R1C6....i m learning new tricks in sudoku ....all the 3 sudokus i failed to solve has some triplets...!!!!!i feel i m improving gradually after joining LMI....thnks prasanna!

Edited by kishy72 2012-09-25 7:50 PM
@ 2012-09-27 11:05 PM (#8673 - in reply to #8611) (#8673) Top

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kishy72 posted @ 2012-09-27 11:05 PM

4th in the series ..help me out on this one fellas....hope u guys are not too busy in prep for wc...i am sure i combed the entire sudoku for triplets and could not notice anyImage and video hosting by TinyPic

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@ 2012-09-27 11:34 PM (#8674 - in reply to #8611) (#8674) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2012-09-27 11:34 PM

I remember how I solved this one(thats a rarity, I generally struggle to re-solve things).

Anyway, see R2 and R8. whichever way you see it, R2/8C6 has to be 1/3. Should be simple to see, say 1 and 3 are in R2C4 and C5, then both have to be in R8C6, and vice versa. So R7C6 has to be 6.
@ 2012-09-28 12:34 PM (#8681 - in reply to #8611) (#8681) Top

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akash.doulani posted @ 2012-09-28 12:34 PM

there is a triplet of 458 in r1r3r5/c6. after that u get a 6 in r7c6. its plain solving after that
@ 2012-09-28 1:02 PM (#8683 - in reply to #8681) (#8683) Top

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kishy72 posted @ 2012-09-28 1:02 PM

akash.doulani - 2012-09-28 12:34 PM

there is a triplet of 458 in r1r3r5/c6. after that u get a 6 in r7c6. its plain solving after that


Yes indeed. I could not spot that...
@ 2012-09-28 1:11 PM (#8684 - in reply to #8611) (#8684) Top

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kishy72 posted @ 2012-09-28 1:11 PM

A general query guys....is it advisable to put more than 2 possible numbers in a box? Initially i was not in the habit of putting possible numbers in a box.In fact i hated that since i felt it made the whole sudoku very clustered.But i have realised that it is impossible to solve sudokus of greater difficulty without making a note of the possible numbers that occur in a box.But still is it advisable to write 3-4 numbers in a box and try to solve it if u get stuck, or to just write numbers where you get only 2 after eliminating the rest..This is something which i had always wanted to know from others because even after putting 2, i have got stuck in many a sudoku and the whole thing gets clear only when i put 3 numbers ...want to be sure that sudokus can be solved without writing more than 2 possible numbers in the box....ideas are welcome...
@ 2012-09-28 3:57 PM (#8687 - in reply to #8611) (#8687) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2012-09-28 3:57 PM

Its about the method that suits you best. Personally, I don't like using pencil marks at all. I do better on sites without pencil marks, and I try but I can't stop myself from using them subconsciously when they are there as a part of the interface(been trying to). I've talked to others though and the normal thing is to note down numbers to keep track. So I suppose you'll find this way easier. The difficult ones need a lot of pencil marks, because to add difficult tricks, the creator would have to use a larger group of numbers in the grid and solving them requires an understanding of that entire group. So there's nothing wrong in entering 4-5 pencil marks in a cell as long as you don't end up confusing yourself(which is my problem and why I'm faster without that).

Edited by prasanna16391 2012-09-28 3:58 PM
@ 2012-09-28 9:38 PM (#8689 - in reply to #8611) (#8689) Top

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akash.doulani posted @ 2012-09-28 9:38 PM

@ kishore : from where do you get those sudokus ? they are pretty interesting to solve. can you share the source ?
@ 2012-09-28 10:56 PM (#8690 - in reply to #8689) (#8690) Top

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kishy72 posted @ 2012-09-28 10:56 PM

I take them from fed sudoku...choose puzzle blogs from LMI home screen -->Fedsudoku--->sudoku archive--->classic printable....
They are my daily dosage of tablets for improving sudoku skills.
@ 2012-09-28 11:32 PM (#8691 - in reply to #8690) (#8691) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2012-09-28 11:32 PM

kishy72 - 2012-09-28 10:56 PM

I take them from fed sudoku...choose puzzle blogs from LMI home screen -->Fedsudoku--->sudoku archive--->classic printable....
They are my daily dosage of tablets for improving sudoku skills.


Akash is a regular there, he's just not been able to do them lately so didn't know I suppose. Anyway, I'm a regular there too. There's other sites as well with daily sudokus like Sudokucup, mindoku. These 3 are my daily routine anyway. Related to your earlier pencil marks question, mindoku's interface doesn't have pencil marks.
@ 2012-10-06 9:51 PM (#8735 - in reply to #8691) (#8735) Top

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kishy72 posted @ 2012-10-06 9:51 PM

the way please in this
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Edited by kishy72 2012-10-06 9:57 PM
@ 2012-10-06 9:53 PM (#8736 - in reply to #8735) (#8736) Top

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kishy72 posted @ 2012-10-06 9:53 PM

oh my !!!!
@ 2012-10-08 8:52 PM (#8739 - in reply to #8736) (#8739) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2012-10-08 8:52 PM

Just by going the marks you have done (and assuming that they are correct), where do you put 3 in Box2?

However, I think you have gone wrong somewhere. I couldn't resolve the bottom 3 rows so early in the solve.
@ 2012-10-08 9:31 PM (#8740 - in reply to #8611) (#8740) Top

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kishy72 posted @ 2012-10-08 9:31 PM

i have addled the sudoku so much that i could not see that direct spotting...and yes i have gone wrong. I started from the beginning again and i saw where i went wrong ....Thnks deb!
@ 2012-10-22 7:42 PM (#8783 - in reply to #8740) (#8783) Top

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kishy72 posted @ 2012-10-22 7:42 PM

So fellas another of those tough computer generated ones where i feel it has managed to give the bare minimum number of numbers required .... a tough nut to crack for me....tried for 28mins.....totally warped .....shw me the way Lmians!!

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Edited by kishy72 2012-10-22 7:42 PM
@ 2012-10-22 9:20 PM (#8786 - in reply to #8783) (#8786) Top

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kishy72 posted @ 2012-10-22 9:20 PM

and if possible post a link where i can see these versions guys
Untouchable sudoku,Disjoint groups ,Symetric unequal , Antiknight
Queens ,Quadro ,Touchy , DuoDoku.... not even heard of some of these variants...planning to take part in sudoku cup want to try atleast one of each of these versions(hopefully) before the test.
@ 2012-10-23 1:02 AM (#8787 - in reply to #8786) (#8787) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2012-10-23 1:02 AM

Firstly the Classic - I remember this one. What I did while solving was focus in the first box. By process of elimination, you get that R2C1, R2C3 can only contain either of 4-6-9. You've already marked R2C7 containing 4-6. This makes a triplet and eliminates 6 from the 2-6 in R2C5, so you have a 2 there. Should be ok after that.

For the variants - You can look at past Monthly tests for some. I think I remember off the top of my head an Anti Knight in Sudoclones and a Queen Sudoku in Diagonal Vision. Apart from that, you have Disjoint groups in the Fed Sudoku site itself, in the Alternatives section. So too Quadro I think. There's also this site(Where disjoint groups is called Offset, Symmetric Unequal is I think No Mirror).

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@ 2012-10-23 2:00 AM (#8788 - in reply to #8786) (#8788) Top

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Fred76 posted @ 2012-10-23 2:00 AM

kishy72 - 2012-10-22 9:20 PM

and if possible post a link where i can see these versions guys
Untouchable sudoku,Disjoint groups ,Symetric unequal , Antiknight
Queens ,Quadro ,Touchy , DuoDoku.... not even heard of some of these variants...planning to take part in sudoku cup want to try atleast one of each of these versions(hopefully) before the test.


You can also find some of them in the monthly test authored by Jan Mrozowski 2 years ago, called "Classic Look-Alikes", it's basically the same concept as the 1st round of sudokucup:

http://logicmastersindia.com/lmitests/?test=M201007S

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@ 2012-10-23 6:55 PM (#8796 - in reply to #8788) (#8796) Top

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kishy72 posted @ 2012-10-23 6:55 PM

Thnks prasanna and Fred for the links ...did not spot the 469 combination in R2C1 ......and by the way took this Queens sudoku from Diagonal vision....valued at 85 points i assumed initially that is too much for a simple sudoku (atleast it appeared to me like that with so many numbers) But i soon realised that this sudoku is worth its weight in gold......tried at 3 different times today to give my mind a break and still could not proceed beyond this point.....i could not use the queen constraint at all with just 1 9 locked till this point.
@ 2012-10-23 6:57 PM (#8797 - in reply to #8796) (#8797) Top

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kishy72 posted @ 2012-10-23 6:57 PM

kishy72 - 2012-10-23 6:55 PM



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just to make sure everyone knows the rules of queen sudoku....in simple words 9 is assumed to be a chess queen ...no queen(9) can attack other queens(other 9s)...all other sudoku rules apply

Edited by kishy72 2012-10-23 7:12 PM
@ 2012-10-23 7:02 PM (#8798 - in reply to #8797) (#8798) Top

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kishy72 posted @ 2012-10-23 7:02 PM

and in symmetric unequal what does cells 180deg symmetric to each other mean..????totally blank....could not make out head or tail out of it...kindly explain guys..
@ 2012-10-23 7:22 PM (#8799 - in reply to #8797) (#8799) Top

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Fred76 posted @ 2012-10-23 7:22 PM

The queen sudoku of diagonal vision's instructions booklet is a bit too hard... It's my fault.
We discussed about it there: http://logicmastersindia.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=451&s...

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@ 2012-10-23 7:25 PM (#8800 - in reply to #8798) (#8800) Top

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Fred76 posted @ 2012-10-23 7:25 PM

kishy72 - 2012-10-23 7:02 PM

and in symmetric unequal what does cells 180deg symmetric to each other mean..????totally blank....could not make out head or tail out of it...kindly explain guys..


R1C1 is symmetric to R9C9, R1C2 is symmetric to R9C8, R2C1 symmetric to R8C9, etc... does it help?

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