Thread - Snake Variations Contest 2011 26th/27th/28th November

@ 2011-11-23 7:42 PM (#6042 - in reply to #6039) (#6042) Top

Valezius

Posts: 66

Country : Hungary

Valezius posted @ 2011-11-23 7:42 PM

debmohanty - 2011-11-23 9:45 AM

I can see two usages of the extra time.
1) If you check Janoslaw's submissions in Fusion test, it looks like he was engrossed in solving, almost forgot to submit. But when he started submitting, he didn't have enough time to submit all. Having extra time would have enabled him to submit all his solved ones with a minor penalty
2) If your 120 minutes is up, but you are may be 1 or 2 minutes away from finishing a puzzle, you should continue solving and submit asap. This works like a tie breaker in this case.

I like the idea of extra time. But I think the 10 minutes is too much time.
If the aim of this system is what you wrote 5 minutes is more than enough.

@ 2011-11-24 9:17 PM (#6046 - in reply to #5990) (#6046) Top

debmohanty

Country : India

debmohanty posted @ 2011-11-24 9:17 PM

About Extra time
===========

For this contest, we will make few minor changes to extra time concept.
1) Penalty will be .2 points per second
2) In the submission page, you can see the amount of penalty when 'Extra Time' is running. This will help you determine easily if you should submit any puzzle or not. See attachment.

(2011-11-24 20 19 56.png)

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2011-11-24 20 19 56.png (8KB - 3 downloads)

@ 2011-11-25 6:33 PM (#6048 - in reply to #5990) (#6048) Top

debmohanty

Country : India

debmohanty posted @ 2011-11-25 6:33 PM

Change in timings

Based on a suggestion in UK forum, we are increasing the timing of this competition.
It now starts Friday evening GMT and runs till Monday night GMT

Please visit the Snake Variations Contest 2011 submission page to know the exact times in your time zone.

@ 2011-11-25 10:45 PM (#6049 - in reply to #5990) (#6049) Top

Administrator

Country : India

Administrator posted @ 2011-11-25 10:45 PM

Password protected puzzle booklet added. It has 13 pages, including a cover page. As noted earlier, example grids are not present in the puzzle booklet.

@ 2011-11-26 2:44 AM (#6050 - in reply to #5990) (#6050) Top

Administrator

Country : India

Administrator posted @ 2011-11-26 2:44 AM

Link to score page - http://logicmastersindia.com/SVC2011/score.asp
Note that the score page can be viewed only after the Extra time is over.

@ 2011-11-26 2:53 AM (#6051 - in reply to #5990) (#6051) Top

Para

Posts: 315

Country : The Netherlands

Para posted @ 2011-11-26 2:53 AM

Is there still going to be a claim bonus button? Not that I expect it will apply to me, but as I saw it said score won't be available till Extra time is over.

@ 2011-11-26 6:52 AM (#6052 - in reply to #6051) (#6052) Top

Administrator

Country : India

Administrator posted @ 2011-11-26 6:52 AM

Para - 2011-11-26 2:53 AM

Is there still going to be a claim bonus button? Not that I expect it will apply to me, but as I saw it said score won't be available till Extra time is over.

If you claim bonus, you can see the scores instantaneously. For claiming bonus, it is required to submit all puzzles.

@ 2011-11-26 7:38 AM (#6053 - in reply to #5990) (#6053) Top

tamz29

Posts: 225

Country : Thailand

tamz29 posted @ 2011-11-26 7:38 AM

Does this test affect your ratings?

@ 2011-11-26 8:38 AM (#6054 - in reply to #6053) (#6054) Top

debmohanty

Country : India

debmohanty posted @ 2011-11-26 8:38 AM

tamz29 - 2011-11-26 7:38 AM

Does this test affect your ratings?

No, this is already answered in "About Annual Competitions" thread.

@ 2011-11-26 8:46 AM (#6055 - in reply to #6054) (#6055) Top

Administrator

Country : India

Administrator posted @ 2011-11-26 8:46 AM

Yet another quick note about Penalty points
The time of your submission will be the time the server received your answer, not the time you clicked on submit button. In most cases the difference will be couple of seconds.

@ 2011-11-26 2:02 PM (#6057 - in reply to #5990) (#6057) Top

rajeshk

Posts: 542

Country : India

rajeshk posted @ 2011-11-26 2:02 PM

Great puzzles. Thanks to the organizers and Author for this great test.

@ 2011-11-26 7:51 PM (#6059 - in reply to #5990) (#6059) Top

anurag

Posts: 136

Country : India

anurag posted @ 2011-11-26 7:51 PM

If length of a segment is more than 10, how to write the answer?

@ 2011-11-26 8:13 PM (#6060 - in reply to #6059) (#6060) Top

debmohanty

Country : India

debmohanty posted @ 2011-11-26 8:13 PM

anurag - 2011-11-26 7:51 PM

If length of a segment is more than 10, how to write the answer?

We'll accept answers with unit digit, if that is what you are asking about.

@ 2011-11-26 9:12 PM (#6061 - in reply to #6060) (#6061) Top

anurag

Posts: 136

Country : India

anurag posted @ 2011-11-26 9:12 PM

Serkan: I think you forgot to write this in the answer key. Thanks for a fun and challenging test.

@ 2011-11-26 9:59 PM (#6062 - in reply to #6061) (#6062) Top

yureklis

Posts: 183

Country : Turkey

yureklis posted @ 2011-11-26 9:59 PM

anurag - 2011-11-26 9:12 PM

Serkan: I think you forgot to write this in the answer key. Thanks for a fun and challenging test.

:) No, actually I didn't forget. This issue is a specific condition, so I didn't want to consider a general case in this contest, so I ignored that. Because we can easily give points to both answer formats, not a big deal. Main idea in my mind is that don't make confusion for competitors with more details in answer format

Thanks

@ 2011-11-26 11:14 PM (#6063 - in reply to #5990) (#6063) Top

mucha

Posts: 13

Country : Poland

mucha posted @ 2011-11-26 11:14 PM

Beautiful puzzles. I did terribly but liked the puzzles a lot, especially the snake egg puzzle.

Edited by mucha 2011-11-26 11:14 PM

@ 2011-11-27 4:48 AM (#6064 - in reply to #6063) (#6064) Top

yureklis

Posts: 183

Country : Turkey

yureklis posted @ 2011-11-27 4:48 AM

To get bonus points all puzzles must be solved, so if a competitor solve 15 + half of Spiral Snake puzzle he/she cannot get bonus points, he should solve whole Spiral Snake puzzle.

Edited by yureklis 2011-11-27 4:58 AM

@ 2011-11-27 4:54 AM (#6065 - in reply to #5990) (#6065) Top

MellowMelon

Country : United States

MellowMelon posted @ 2011-11-27 4:54 AM

Thanks for the excellent Snake puzzles, and hoping my one bit of stupidity can be forgiven. I particularly enjoyed Graffiti and Sigma.

@ 2011-11-27 5:20 AM (#6066 - in reply to #6065) (#6066) Top

Nikola

Posts: 103

Country : Serbia

Nikola posted @ 2011-11-27 5:20 AM

Thank you, Serkan, for amazing snakes. The last two tests here were definitely great!

Nikola

@ 2011-11-27 4:36 PM (#6068 - in reply to #5990) (#6068) Top

Rubben

Posts: 20

Country : Romania

Rubben posted @ 2011-11-27 4:36 PM

Very beautiful puzzle! Thanks!

@ 2011-11-28 12:51 AM (#6070 - in reply to #5990) (#6070) Top

motris

Posts: 199

Country : United States

motris posted @ 2011-11-28 12:51 AM

Great puzzles. Bad typos from me. If only some method of instant grading existed....

@ 2011-11-28 8:45 AM (#6072 - in reply to #5990) (#6072) Top

debmohanty

Country : India

debmohanty posted @ 2011-11-28 8:45 AM

As announced earlier, this contest will be open till Monday midnight GMT (approximately 20 hours from now)

@ 2011-11-28 12:33 PM (#6073 - in reply to #5990) (#6073) Top

Ziti

Posts: 42

Country : United States

Ziti posted @ 2011-11-28 12:33 PM

Terrific work, Serkan! I will spend many hours on the ones I did not finish, and really enjoyed the ones I did (except maybe that one I got SO CLOSE to finishing!!).

Thank you for generously offering your time to write these puzzles for all of us to enjoy.

JZ

@ 2011-11-28 1:20 PM (#6074 - in reply to #5990) (#6074) Top

ColinMacLeod

Posts: 3

Country : United States

ColinMacLeod posted @ 2011-11-28 1:20 PM

Thanks for the puzzles.

I would recommend consistent wording for whether or not snakes can diagonally touch. Some instructions refer to "points", others "diagonally", and others make no mention of diagonal touching.

Trayton

@ 2011-11-28 5:27 PM (#6075 - in reply to #5990) (#6075) Top

alberto

Posts: 21

Country : ITALY

alberto posted @ 2011-11-28 5:27 PM

Great job Serkan, thank you. But I didn' find a solution for Masyu Snake. Was it possible that the snake touches itself diagonally? It wasn't specified in the PB. Otherwise I miss something. (May I have a visual solution?)

Alberto


	@ 2011-11-23 7:42 PM (#6042 - in reply to #6039) (#6042) Top
Valezius Posts: 66 Country : Hungary	Valezius posted @ 2011-11-23 7:42 PM debmohanty - 2011-11-23 9:45 AM I can see two usages of the extra time. 1) If you check Janoslaw's submissions in Fusion test, it looks like he was engrossed in solving, almost forgot to submit. But when he started submitting, he didn't have enough time to submit all. Having extra time would have enabled him to submit all his solved ones with a minor penalty 2) If your 120 minutes is up, but you are may be 1 or 2 minutes away from finishing a puzzle, you should continue solving and submit asap. This works like a tie breaker in this case. I like the idea of extra time. But I think the 10 minutes is too much time. If the aim of this system is what you wrote 5 minutes is more than enough.
	@ 2011-11-24 9:17 PM (#6046 - in reply to #5990) (#6046) Top
debmohanty Country : India	debmohanty posted @ 2011-11-24 9:17 PM About Extra time =========== For this contest, we will make few minor changes to extra time concept. 1) Penalty will be .2 points per second 2) In the submission page, you can see the amount of penalty when 'Extra Time' is running. This will help you determine easily if you should submit any puzzle or not. See attachment. (2011-11-24 20 19 56.png) Attachments ---------------- 2011-11-24 20 19 56.png (8KB - 3 downloads)
	@ 2011-11-25 6:33 PM (#6048 - in reply to #5990) (#6048) Top
debmohanty Country : India	debmohanty posted @ 2011-11-25 6:33 PM Change in timings Based on a suggestion in UK forum, we are increasing the timing of this competition. It now starts Friday evening GMT and runs till Monday night GMT Please visit the Snake Variations Contest 2011 submission page to know the exact times in your time zone.
	@ 2011-11-25 10:45 PM (#6049 - in reply to #5990) (#6049) Top
Administrator Country : India	Administrator posted @ 2011-11-25 10:45 PM Password protected puzzle booklet added. It has 13 pages, including a cover page. As noted earlier, example grids are not present in the puzzle booklet.
	@ 2011-11-26 2:44 AM (#6050 - in reply to #5990) (#6050) Top
Administrator Country : India	Administrator posted @ 2011-11-26 2:44 AM Link to score page - http://logicmastersindia.com/SVC2011/score.asp Note that the score page can be viewed only after the Extra time is over.
	@ 2011-11-26 2:53 AM (#6051 - in reply to #5990) (#6051) Top
Para Posts: 315 Country : The Netherlands	Para posted @ 2011-11-26 2:53 AM Is there still going to be a claim bonus button? Not that I expect it will apply to me, but as I saw it said score won't be available till Extra time is over.
	@ 2011-11-26 6:52 AM (#6052 - in reply to #6051) (#6052) Top
Administrator Country : India	Administrator posted @ 2011-11-26 6:52 AM Para - 2011-11-26 2:53 AM Is there still going to be a claim bonus button? Not that I expect it will apply to me, but as I saw it said score won't be available till Extra time is over. If you claim bonus, you can see the scores instantaneously. For claiming bonus, it is required to submit all puzzles.
	@ 2011-11-26 7:38 AM (#6053 - in reply to #5990) (#6053) Top
tamz29 Posts: 225 Country : Thailand	tamz29 posted @ 2011-11-26 7:38 AM Does this test affect your ratings?
	@ 2011-11-26 8:38 AM (#6054 - in reply to #6053) (#6054) Top
debmohanty Country : India	debmohanty posted @ 2011-11-26 8:38 AM tamz29 - 2011-11-26 7:38 AM Does this test affect your ratings? No, this is already answered in "About Annual Competitions" thread.
	@ 2011-11-26 8:46 AM (#6055 - in reply to #6054) (#6055) Top
Administrator Country : India	Administrator posted @ 2011-11-26 8:46 AM Yet another quick note about Penalty points The time of your submission will be the time the server received your answer, not the time you clicked on submit button. In most cases the difference will be couple of seconds.
	@ 2011-11-26 2:02 PM (#6057 - in reply to #5990) (#6057) Top
rajeshk Posts: 542 Country : India	rajeshk posted @ 2011-11-26 2:02 PM Great puzzles. Thanks to the organizers and Author for this great test.
	@ 2011-11-26 7:51 PM (#6059 - in reply to #5990) (#6059) Top
anurag Posts: 136 Country : India	anurag posted @ 2011-11-26 7:51 PM If length of a segment is more than 10, how to write the answer?
	@ 2011-11-26 8:13 PM (#6060 - in reply to #6059) (#6060) Top
debmohanty Country : India	debmohanty posted @ 2011-11-26 8:13 PM anurag - 2011-11-26 7:51 PM If length of a segment is more than 10, how to write the answer? We'll accept answers with unit digit, if that is what you are asking about.
	@ 2011-11-26 9:12 PM (#6061 - in reply to #6060) (#6061) Top
anurag Posts: 136 Country : India	anurag posted @ 2011-11-26 9:12 PM Serkan: I think you forgot to write this in the answer key. Thanks for a fun and challenging test.
	@ 2011-11-26 9:59 PM (#6062 - in reply to #6061) (#6062) Top
yureklis Posts: 183 Country : Turkey	yureklis posted @ 2011-11-26 9:59 PM anurag - 2011-11-26 9:12 PM Serkan: I think you forgot to write this in the answer key. Thanks for a fun and challenging test. :) No, actually I didn't forget. This issue is a specific condition, so I didn't want to consider a general case in this contest, so I ignored that. Because we can easily give points to both answer formats, not a big deal. Main idea in my mind is that don't make confusion for competitors with more details in answer format Thanks
	@ 2011-11-26 11:14 PM (#6063 - in reply to #5990) (#6063) Top
mucha Posts: 13 Country : Poland	mucha posted @ 2011-11-26 11:14 PM Beautiful puzzles. I did terribly but liked the puzzles a lot, especially the snake egg puzzle. Edited by mucha 2011-11-26 11:14 PM
	@ 2011-11-27 4:48 AM (#6064 - in reply to #6063) (#6064) Top
yureklis Posts: 183 Country : Turkey	yureklis posted @ 2011-11-27 4:48 AM To get bonus points all puzzles must be solved, so if a competitor solve 15 + half of Spiral Snake puzzle he/she cannot get bonus points, he should solve whole Spiral Snake puzzle. Edited by yureklis 2011-11-27 4:58 AM
	@ 2011-11-27 4:54 AM (#6065 - in reply to #5990) (#6065) Top
MellowMelon Country : United States	MellowMelon posted @ 2011-11-27 4:54 AM Thanks for the excellent Snake puzzles, and hoping my one bit of stupidity can be forgiven. I particularly enjoyed Graffiti and Sigma.
	@ 2011-11-27 5:20 AM (#6066 - in reply to #6065) (#6066) Top
Nikola Posts: 103 Country : Serbia	Nikola posted @ 2011-11-27 5:20 AM Thank you, Serkan, for amazing snakes. The last two tests here were definitely great! Nikola
	@ 2011-11-27 4:36 PM (#6068 - in reply to #5990) (#6068) Top
Rubben Posts: 20 Country : Romania	Rubben posted @ 2011-11-27 4:36 PM Very beautiful puzzle! Thanks!
	@ 2011-11-28 12:51 AM (#6070 - in reply to #5990) (#6070) Top
motris Posts: 199 Country : United States	motris posted @ 2011-11-28 12:51 AM Great puzzles. Bad typos from me. If only some method of instant grading existed....
	@ 2011-11-28 8:45 AM (#6072 - in reply to #5990) (#6072) Top
debmohanty Country : India	debmohanty posted @ 2011-11-28 8:45 AM As announced earlier, this contest will be open till Monday midnight GMT (approximately 20 hours from now)
	@ 2011-11-28 12:33 PM (#6073 - in reply to #5990) (#6073) Top
Ziti Posts: 42 Country : United States	Ziti posted @ 2011-11-28 12:33 PM Terrific work, Serkan! I will spend many hours on the ones I did not finish, and really enjoyed the ones I did (except maybe that one I got SO CLOSE to finishing!!). Thank you for generously offering your time to write these puzzles for all of us to enjoy. JZ
	@ 2011-11-28 1:20 PM (#6074 - in reply to #5990) (#6074) Top
ColinMacLeod Posts: 3 Country : United States	ColinMacLeod posted @ 2011-11-28 1:20 PM Thanks for the puzzles. I would recommend consistent wording for whether or not snakes can diagonally touch. Some instructions refer to "points", others "diagonally", and others make no mention of diagonal touching. Trayton
	@ 2011-11-28 5:27 PM (#6075 - in reply to #5990) (#6075) Top
alberto Posts: 21 Country : ITALY	alberto posted @ 2011-11-28 5:27 PM Great job Serkan, thank you. But I didn' find a solution for Masyu Snake. Was it possible that the snake touches itself diagonally? It wasn't specified in the PB. Otherwise I miss something. (May I have a visual solution?) Alberto