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@ 2011-11-26 9:59 PM (#6062 - in reply to #6061) (#6062) Top

yureklis



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yureklis posted @ 2011-11-26 9:59 PM

anurag - 2011-11-26 9:12 PM

Serkan: I think you forgot to write this in the answer key. Thanks for a fun and challenging test.


:) No, actually I didn't forget. This issue is a specific condition, so I didn't want to consider a general case in this contest, so I ignored that. Because we can easily give points to both answer formats, not a big deal. Main idea in my mind is that don't make confusion for competitors with more details in answer format

Thanks
@ 2011-11-26 11:14 PM (#6063 - in reply to #5990) (#6063) Top

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mucha posted @ 2011-11-26 11:14 PM

Beautiful puzzles. I did terribly but liked the puzzles a lot, especially the snake egg puzzle.

Edited by mucha 2011-11-26 11:14 PM
@ 2011-11-27 4:48 AM (#6064 - in reply to #6063) (#6064) Top

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yureklis posted @ 2011-11-27 4:48 AM

To get bonus points all puzzles must be solved, so if a competitor solve 15 + half of Spiral Snake puzzle he/she cannot get bonus points, he should solve whole Spiral Snake puzzle.

Edited by yureklis 2011-11-27 4:58 AM
@ 2011-11-27 4:54 AM (#6065 - in reply to #5990) (#6065) Top

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MellowMelon posted @ 2011-11-27 4:54 AM

Thanks for the excellent Snake puzzles, and hoping my one bit of stupidity can be forgiven. I particularly enjoyed Graffiti and Sigma.
@ 2011-11-27 5:20 AM (#6066 - in reply to #6065) (#6066) Top

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Nikola posted @ 2011-11-27 5:20 AM

Thank you, Serkan, for amazing snakes. The last two tests here were definitely great!

Nikola
@ 2011-11-27 4:36 PM (#6068 - in reply to #5990) (#6068) Top

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Rubben posted @ 2011-11-27 4:36 PM

Very beautiful puzzle! Thanks!
@ 2011-11-28 12:51 AM (#6070 - in reply to #5990) (#6070) Top

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motris posted @ 2011-11-28 12:51 AM

Great puzzles. Bad typos from me. If only some method of instant grading existed....
@ 2011-11-28 8:45 AM (#6072 - in reply to #5990) (#6072) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-11-28 8:45 AM

As announced earlier, this contest will be open till Monday midnight GMT (approximately 20 hours from now)
@ 2011-11-28 12:33 PM (#6073 - in reply to #5990) (#6073) Top

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Ziti posted @ 2011-11-28 12:33 PM

Terrific work, Serkan! I will spend many hours on the ones I did not finish, and really enjoyed the ones I did (except maybe that one I got SO CLOSE to finishing!!).

Thank you for generously offering your time to write these puzzles for all of us to enjoy.

JZ
@ 2011-11-28 1:20 PM (#6074 - in reply to #5990) (#6074) Top

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ColinMacLeod posted @ 2011-11-28 1:20 PM

Thanks for the puzzles.

I would recommend consistent wording for whether or not snakes can diagonally touch. Some instructions refer to "points", others "diagonally", and others make no mention of diagonal touching.

Trayton
@ 2011-11-28 5:27 PM (#6075 - in reply to #5990) (#6075) Top

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alberto posted @ 2011-11-28 5:27 PM

Great job Serkan, thank you. But I didn' find a solution for Masyu Snake. Was it possible that the snake touches itself diagonally? It wasn't specified in the PB. Otherwise I miss something. (May I have a visual solution?)

Alberto
@ 2011-11-28 6:00 PM (#6076 - in reply to #6075) (#6076) Top

yureklis



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yureklis posted @ 2011-11-28 6:00 PM

alberto - 2011-11-28 5:27 PM

Great job Serkan, thank you. But I didn' find a solution for Masyu Snake. Was it possible that the snake touches itself diagonally? It wasn't specified in the PB. Otherwise I miss something. (May I have a visual solution?)

Alberto


It has a solution, probably you missed something. For Masyu Snake in the IB says that the snake cannot touch itself, so I think it is clear about diagonally touching.
@ 2011-11-29 8:18 AM (#6077 - in reply to #5990) (#6077) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-11-29 8:18 AM

Snake Variations Contest 2011 is now over. uvo won the contest, as he did last year. MellowMelon takes the second place. Nikola is other only other player to have solved all puzzles within 120 minutes.

A total of 168 players participated from 32 countries, of which 131 players got 0+ scores.

A little early for Serkan now, but I think he will soon post his views about the puzzles and the competition as a whole.

Thank you everyone for participating.
@ 2011-11-29 9:41 AM (#6079 - in reply to #5990) (#6079) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-11-29 9:41 AM

I'm not a big fan of Classic Snake puzzles (I probably have some aversion to the fact that the length is specified), but most of the puzzles in this contest uses several other logic. I especially liked the second part of the puzzles (snakes without lengths). Not a snake-puzzle-lover yet, but I think I like them more than I used to.

An unrelated note : Another test where "Claim Bonus" button had a role determining the top ranks. uvo spent close to 4 minutes before hitting Claim Bonus, MellowMelon caught his mistake before hitting the button (lucky?), motris had 2 typos which he probably could have caught if there were no Claim Bonus button.
@ 2011-11-29 11:01 AM (#6080 - in reply to #6079) (#6080) Top

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vopani posted @ 2011-11-29 11:01 AM

I did not participate in the Snake Variations Contest last year. After this year's contest, I do not think I'll miss one again :-)

All the puzzles were excellent. Creating good and tricky puzzles, yet not very tough, is clearly an art, that not many possess. Serkan definitely does have it and after every test of his, there is 'satisfying' factor that I feel irrespective of my performance.

I liked Masyu and Sigma the best of the set. It never struck me that the snake could begin from one of the 'adjacent white circles' until a few minutes into solving. What really disappointed me is the Serpentine Sea Serpent. 54 pointer 64 pointer implies relatively easy in this test, but I guess I missed something. I solved it later, after the test, with a lot of erasing and tweaking, so if someone has some logic to it, please enlighten me.

Congrats to Ulrich, Palmer and Nikola. Thanks Serkan for the wonderful contest.

Edited by Rohan Rao 2011-11-29 12:58 PM
@ 2011-11-29 11:25 AM (#6081 - in reply to #5990) (#6081) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-11-29 11:25 AM

Serpentine was certainly easy, or may be I was lucky. The key was to find the two dead ends. One of the dead end was easy to find at R2C2. There are a bunch of white circles in top right corner, and I figured that one of them had to the other dead-end. Once you figure R4C9, it was all about how fast you can move your pencil.
@ 2011-11-29 12:29 PM (#6082 - in reply to #6081) (#6082) Top

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vopani posted @ 2011-11-29 12:29 PM

Eh... Sorry, typo. I meant 'Sea Serpent'.
@ 2011-11-29 3:12 PM (#6085 - in reply to #5990) (#6085) Top

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uvo posted @ 2011-11-29 3:12 PM

Sea Serpent: The key (at least for me) was to realize that the snake needs both R8C9 and R8C10, otherwise the 2 and 4 in column 8 can't be both satisfied. After that, look at the 7 and 8 in column 10.
@ 2011-11-29 3:49 PM (#6086 - in reply to #5990) (#6086) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-11-29 3:49 PM

alberto - 2011-11-28 5:27 PM

Great job Serkan, thank you. But I didn' find a solution for Masyu Snake. Was it possible that the snake touches itself diagonally? It wasn't specified in the PB. Otherwise I miss something. (May I have a visual solution?)

Alberto


Solution to Masyu Snake



Edited by debmohanty 2011-11-29 3:50 PM
@ 2011-11-29 6:06 PM (#6089 - in reply to #6086) (#6089) Top

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alberto posted @ 2011-11-29 6:06 PM

Thank you Deb for the picture,
I found the correct solution this morning. A ridiculous blind point was working. :-)

Alberto
@ 2011-11-29 7:04 PM (#6090 - in reply to #5990) (#6090) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2011-11-29 7:04 PM

Really enjoyed the test. I used to think I'm horrible at snake, and leave it whenever it appeared in competitions. Not gonna do that from now, found these solvable and fun and got quite a morale boost. :)
@ 2011-11-29 7:29 PM (#6091 - in reply to #5990) (#6091) Top

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yureklis posted @ 2011-11-29 7:29 PM

Hi,

You were very kind about my puzzles, thank you very much.

Last year I wanted to organise a Snake puzzle competition. I don’t know why, or I don’t remember exact reason in my mind, I asked some puzzlers from LM Deutschland, and Jörg Reitze agreed to help me about holding Snake competition under LMD. Because there are some rules, that only LMD members can hold a competition under LMD title. By the help of Jörg I had a chance to show my Snake puzzles. After the competition I was sure that I would make again, and this year Deb and LMI give me a chance to hold Snake contest 2. Thanks a lot!

About Instructions: From my side, the most boring thing in preparing a competition is arranging a proper instruction booklet. So mostly I try to use available instructions which I used in previous contests. So most of the examples and explanations in this contest are coming from previous one. So this is the reason of diagonally/at a point differences in explanations.

Answer Format: I remember that last year, some competitors (I remember Nils’ comments, and he was right) mentioned that some puzzles’ answer formats are annoying, it is easy to make a mistake. So this year I wanted to be clear about answer formats. First idea in my mind was to use Tapa answer format. But after Thomas Decathlon 2011, his answer format seemed better to me. So I used it. I tried to make submitting answers easier for competitors. Of course I had to be sure that all arrows referred to last solving steps. So some competitors made tiny mistakes (one or two wrong digits) even if they almost solved the puzzle; like Masyu Snake, Sea Serpent, Calculusnake.

Instant Grading: If I remembered the availability of this system before the competition, I’d surely want to use in this competition.

Congratulations to Ulrich! He is a great snake solver. Also last year he got the first place, he solved 16 snake puzzles in 90 minutes (1.31.27 exact time) [2nd Michael Ley 1.32.45, and 3rd Philipp Weiß 1.45.21]. This year Ulrich has solved 16 snake puzzles in 95 minutes. As last year, 2nd and 3rd top solvers finished all puzzles in 120 minutes. Congratulations to Palmer and Nikola!

Some statistics:
- The puzzle solved by least competitors was Serpentine. It was solved by 31 competitors.
- The puzzle solved by most competitors was First Seen Snake. It was solved by 109 competitors.
- The puzzle with the highest rating was Calculusnake (9.0) and the puzzle with the lowest rating was Serpentine (6,69).
- The puzzle submitted with the highest accuracy was Schlange (%100, 59 competitors), lowest was Masyu Snake ( %76.2, 32/42 competitors)

Thanks a lot for participation,

Best,

Serkan
@ 2011-11-30 2:39 AM (#6093 - in reply to #5990) (#6093) Top

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Para posted @ 2011-11-30 2:39 AM

Thanks Serkan. That was fun, even though I had been a bit dumb for most of the solves. I don't know what it is with me and extra time, but somehow it brings out the best in me. I pushed out the 2 highest rated puzzles in the last 10 minutes. This seems to keep happening whenever there is extra time. Guess I work better under pressure.
@ 2011-11-30 6:48 AM (#6094 - in reply to #5990) (#6094) Top

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kiwijam posted @ 2011-11-30 6:48 AM

I hope more contests will include the Mondays, it's usually an easier time for me to find the free time to enter. (unfortunately I missed that announcement this time)
@ 2012-02-08 2:50 PM (#6633 - in reply to #5990) (#6633) Top

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nathanm posted @ 2012-02-08 2:50 PM

Is there a solution booklet available?

Just going through these old tests for fun, but found the solution for "The Persistence of Memory" is not unique, which makes me think I may have something wrong? The two grey shapes on bottom right i'll call 'd' and 'NE arrow' can seem to have a number of routes through, and since there's no other shapes like them on board, doesn't seem to constrain this?
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