Thread - Indian Puzzle Championship

@ 2011-05-30 10:46 PM (#4616 - in reply to #2876) (#4616) Top

swaroop2011

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2011-05-30 10:46 PM

1) AREA OCCUPATION (Filomino)
Is it like size if 4*4 so the numbers used are 1-4.
2)Different Sums
sums by coincidence are 0,1,2,3,4,5,6.
but is it always true or there may be a gap in bigger puzzles like 0,1,2,5,......
3)Tiger in the woods
rule says that path is allowed to take a turn after hitting either a black square or a wall ..
but at r6c3 teh path is changing.. please check it !!!!!

@ 2011-05-31 5:39 AM (#4621 - in reply to #4616) (#4621) Top

debmohanty

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-05-31 5:39 AM

swaroop2011 - 2011-05-30 10:46 PM

1) AREA OCCUPATION (Filomino)
Is it like size if 4*4 so the numbers used are 1-4.

No.
"Size of the grid" and "digits used" aren't related. Btw, I hope you (and others) have checked out Fillomino-Fillia

swaroop2011 - 2011-05-30 10:46 PM
2)Different Sums
sums by coincidence are 0,1,2,3,4,5,6.
but is it always true or there may be a gap in bigger puzzles like 0,1,2,5,......

You are asking me to reveal about the puzzle in the competition. I'm not going to do that.

swaroop2011 - 2011-05-30 10:46 PM
3)Tiger in the woods
rule says that path is allowed to take a turn after hitting either a black square or a wall ..
but at r6c3 teh path is changing.. please check it !!!!!

The outside border also serves as wall.
Here is another example

@ 2011-05-31 6:09 AM (#4622 - in reply to #4612) (#4622) Top

debmohanty

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-05-31 6:09 AM

utkaarsh - 2011-05-30 7:46 PM

for the Puzzle "TRID", will the range be given or we wil need to identify while sovling the puzzle,
in the example it is not mentioned

Range will be mentioned. Missed it putting for the example.

@ 2011-05-31 3:36 PM (#4624 - in reply to #4621) (#4624) Top

swaroop2011

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2011-05-31 3:36 PM

debmohanty - 2011-05-31 5:39 AM

swaroop2011 - 2011-05-30 10:46 PM

1) AREA OCCUPATION (Filomino)
Is it like size if 4*4 so the numbers used are 1-4.

No.
"Size of the grid" and "digits used" aren't related. Btw, I hope you (and others) have checked out Fillomino-Fillia

swaroop2011 - 2011-05-30 10:46 PM
2)Different Sums
sums by coincidence are 0,1,2,3,4,5,6.
but is it always true or there may be a gap in bigger puzzles like 0,1,2,5,......

You are asking me to reveal about the puzzle in the competition. I'm not going to do that.

The outside border also serves as wall.
Here is another example

hey deb,
FOR TIGER IN THE WOODS
in the puzzle booklet the point where it is changing is hitting the path not the wall.[r6c3]

@ 2011-05-31 3:51 PM (#4625 - in reply to #4624) (#4625) Top

Tejal Phatak

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Tejal Phatak posted @ 2011-05-31 3:51 PM

Swaroop, I guess in the IB example, the path starts from the circle and not from the other end.

@ 2011-05-31 3:54 PM (#4626 - in reply to #4625) (#4626) Top

debmohanty

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-05-31 3:54 PM

Swaroop, the path starts at R3C1 as Tejal mentioned. Also the boundary wall is missing from the image, if that is your point.
Here is the redrawn image

Note that in the championship it is not necessary to mark the start or end. If the path correctly is drawn, you will get full points.

@ 2011-05-31 6:05 PM (#4631 - in reply to #2876) (#4631) Top

swaroop2011

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2011-05-31 6:05 PM

hey thanks deb,
in the IB the start point is given at r4c5 and circle is given at r3c1 thats why it was confusing..(in solution). now its very clear with above image.

@ 2011-05-31 6:12 PM (#4632 - in reply to #2876) (#4632) Top

swaroop2011

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2011-05-31 6:12 PM

1)FOUR SNAILS
i think it can have multiple solutions...
the N of newyork is possible at r5c1,r4c1 and r6c1.
also the N and S of athens can be placed in r4c4,r4c5,r4c6,r5c5,r5c6 differently..

2)NEWS

in the solution it is given wrong and i am not getting proper solution..
in r2c3 it is W and r1c4 it is E but the rule says " directions in region should satisfy their positions with respect to each other"..
please clarify it..??

@ 2011-05-31 6:16 PM (#4633 - in reply to #4632) (#4633) Top

debmohanty

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-05-31 6:16 PM

swaroop2011 - 2011-05-31 6:12 PM

1)FOUR SNAILS
i think it can have multiple solutions...
the N of newyork is possible at r5c1,r4c1 and r6c1.
also the N and S of athens can be placed in r4c4,r4c5,r4c6,r5c5,r5c6 differently..

I think you are missing the given "-"
There are dashes at R5C1 R5C5
You can't put a letter where dash is already present

@ 2011-05-31 6:23 PM (#4634 - in reply to #4633) (#4634) Top

swaroop2011

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2011-05-31 6:23 PM

debmohanty - 2011-05-31 6:16 PM

I think you are missing the given "-"
There are dashes at R5C1 R5C5
You can't put a letter where dash is already present

hey srry for that it was not visible in my print out ..
and what about four snails?

@ 2011-05-31 6:26 PM (#4635 - in reply to #4634) (#4635) Top

debmohanty

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-05-31 6:26 PM

swaroop2011 - 2011-05-31 6:23 PM
and what about four snails?

The puzzle, solution and rules match perfectly to me.

@ 2011-05-31 6:31 PM (#4637 - in reply to #4635) (#4637) Top

swaroop2011

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2011-05-31 6:31 PM

debmohanty - 2011-05-31 6:26 PM

swaroop2011 - 2011-05-31 6:23 PM
and what about four snails?

The puzzle, solution and rules match perfectly to me.

can u clarify how the region r1c3,r1c4,r2c3 satisfies the rules please..!

@ 2011-05-31 6:39 PM (#4640 - in reply to #4633) (#4640) Top

Tejal Phatak

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Tejal Phatak posted @ 2011-05-31 6:39 PM

Swaroop, in "NEWS"... For W-E, it need not necessarily be in the same row. In a specific region, if you are to place W-E, just make sure W is on the left hand-side and E on the right hand-side. It may or may not be in the same row. Similarly, if you see R2C4 and R3C5, N-S they are not placed in the same column.

I hope that answers your doubt.

@ 2011-05-31 6:57 PM (#4641 - in reply to #4640) (#4641) Top

swaroop2011

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2011-05-31 6:57 PM

Tejal Phatak - 2011-05-31 6:39 PM

Swaroop, in "NEWS"... For W-E, it need not necessarily be in the same row. In a specific region, if you are to place W-E, just make sure W is on the left hand-side and E on the right hand-side. It may or may not be in the same row. Similarly, if you see R2C4 and R3C5, N-S they are not placed in the same column.

I hope that answers your doubt.

ya thank you..so it's similar for W and S /N and E ..

@ 2011-05-31 7:10 PM (#4642 - in reply to #4641) (#4642) Top

Tejal Phatak

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Tejal Phatak posted @ 2011-05-31 7:10 PM

Yes

@ 2011-06-01 9:36 PM (#4652 - in reply to #2876) (#4652) Top

vivek572

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vivek572 posted @ 2011-06-01 9:36 PM

Will the puzzles in the Final be exactly as shown in the Puzzle Types booklet, or will there also be variations of those mentioned?
Also, will there be only one puzzle per type, or a range of different sizes/variations?

@ 2011-06-02 6:57 AM (#4655 - in reply to #4652) (#4655) Top

debmohanty

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-06-02 6:57 AM

Puzzle types will be exactly same. No more variations of even those mentioned.
In Round1 and Round2, there will be 1 puzzle from each type.
In Round3, there will be 2 puzzles from each type, one easy and one not-so

We'll publish an Information Booklet which will specify all these and the points distribution. It will take few days.

@ 2011-06-05 9:23 PM (#4709 - in reply to #4546) (#4709) Top

zalak

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zalak posted @ 2011-06-05 9:23 PM

Organisers - 2011-05-28 3:45 PM

rakesh_rai - 2011-05-28 12:17 PM

ABC Connection: Do all cells have to be used, or can some cells remain empty?

Paint-By-Number: Are the clues in the same order as seen from the given direction?

ABC Connection - You don't need to know if all cells have to be used to solve the puzzle

Paint-By-Number - Yes, clues are in order. Will change the instruction.

I had the same question for Anglers - Do all the cells have to be used or some may remain empty?

Is the answer same? ;)

@ 2011-06-05 9:29 PM (#4710 - in reply to #4709) (#4710) Top

vopani

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vopani posted @ 2011-06-05 9:29 PM

@Zalak
Count the sum of given digits outside. If its equal to the number of cells, then no blank cells :D

@ 2011-06-05 10:58 PM (#4713 - in reply to #4710) (#4713) Top

zalak

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zalak posted @ 2011-06-05 10:58 PM

Rohan Rao - 2011-06-05 9:29 PM

@Zalak
Count the sum of given digits outside. If its equal to the number of cells, then no blank cells :D

wow, thanks! never thought about it!

@ 2011-06-06 6:49 PM (#4740 - in reply to #2876) (#4740) Top

swaroop2011

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2011-06-06 6:49 PM

can any body give a bigger size of puzzle for "FIRST OR LAST" for practise.
i am facing sum problem to solve it..

@ 2011-06-07 1:20 AM (#4750 - in reply to #2876) (#4750) Top

Organisers

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Organisers posted @ 2011-06-07 1:20 AM

Information Booklet (Points table, Round Timings) published - http://logicmastersindia.com/IPC2011/finals.asp

Edited by Organisers 2011-06-07 1:22 AM

@ 2011-06-07 6:06 PM (#4754 - in reply to #2876) (#4754) Top

utkaarsh

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utkaarsh posted @ 2011-06-07 6:06 PM

For Rd 2 , the grid sizes are given in IB , can the grid size be shared for atleast the easy puzzles in Rd 3 and Rd 1 puzzles

@ 2011-06-07 6:18 PM (#4755 - in reply to #4754) (#4755) Top

debmohanty

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-06-07 6:18 PM

utkaarsh - 2011-06-07 6:06 PM

For Rd 2 , the grid sizes are given in IB , can the grid size be shared for atleast the easy puzzles in Rd 3 and Rd 1 puzzles

The reason it is specified for Round2 is because I had to explain the partial points. Otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned that.

I can do that for Round1/3, but will it be really useful for you in planning / making a strategy, I'll do that. let me know.

@ 2011-06-07 6:19 PM (#4756 - in reply to #2876) (#4756) Top

debmohanty

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debmohanty posted @ 2011-06-07 6:19 PM

Oh wait... may be I can't.
Many participants don't read forum, and it will be unfair to publish something about the puzzles here.
Sorry.

As such, if we publish the grid sizes beforehand, it will probably be first of its kind.


	@ 2011-05-30 10:46 PM (#4616 - in reply to #2876) (#4616) Top
swaroop2011 Posts: 668 Country : India	swaroop2011 posted @ 2011-05-30 10:46 PM 1) AREA OCCUPATION (Filomino) Is it like size if 4*4 so the numbers used are 1-4. 2)Different Sums sums by coincidence are 0,1,2,3,4,5,6. but is it always true or there may be a gap in bigger puzzles like 0,1,2,5,...... 3)Tiger in the woods rule says that path is allowed to take a turn after hitting either a black square or a wall .. but at r6c3 teh path is changing.. please check it !!!!!
	@ 2011-05-31 5:39 AM (#4621 - in reply to #4616) (#4621) Top
debmohanty Country : India	debmohanty posted @ 2011-05-31 5:39 AM swaroop2011 - 2011-05-30 10:46 PM 1) AREA OCCUPATION (Filomino) Is it like size if 4*4 so the numbers used are 1-4. No. "Size of the grid" and "digits used" aren't related. Btw, I hope you (and others) have checked out Fillomino-Fillia swaroop2011 - 2011-05-30 10:46 PM 2)Different Sums sums by coincidence are 0,1,2,3,4,5,6. but is it always true or there may be a gap in bigger puzzles like 0,1,2,5,...... You are asking me to reveal about the puzzle in the competition. I'm not going to do that. swaroop2011 - 2011-05-30 10:46 PM 3)Tiger in the woods rule says that path is allowed to take a turn after hitting either a black square or a wall .. but at r6c3 teh path is changing.. please check it !!!!! The outside border also serves as wall. Here is another example
	@ 2011-05-31 6:09 AM (#4622 - in reply to #4612) (#4622) Top
debmohanty Country : India	debmohanty posted @ 2011-05-31 6:09 AM utkaarsh - 2011-05-30 7:46 PM for the Puzzle "TRID", will the range be given or we wil need to identify while sovling the puzzle, in the example it is not mentioned Range will be mentioned. Missed it putting for the example.
	@ 2011-05-31 3:36 PM (#4624 - in reply to #4621) (#4624) Top
swaroop2011 Posts: 668 Country : India	swaroop2011 posted @ 2011-05-31 3:36 PM debmohanty - 2011-05-31 5:39 AM swaroop2011 - 2011-05-30 10:46 PM 1) AREA OCCUPATION (Filomino) Is it like size if 4*4 so the numbers used are 1-4. No. "Size of the grid" and "digits used" aren't related. Btw, I hope you (and others) have checked out Fillomino-Fillia swaroop2011 - 2011-05-30 10:46 PM 2)Different Sums sums by coincidence are 0,1,2,3,4,5,6. but is it always true or there may be a gap in bigger puzzles like 0,1,2,5,...... You are asking me to reveal about the puzzle in the competition. I'm not going to do that. swaroop2011 - 2011-05-30 10:46 PM 3)Tiger in the woods rule says that path is allowed to take a turn after hitting either a black square or a wall .. but at r6c3 teh path is changing.. please check it !!!!! The outside border also serves as wall. Here is another example hey deb, FOR TIGER IN THE WOODS in the puzzle booklet the point where it is changing is hitting the path not the wall.[r6c3]
	@ 2011-05-31 3:51 PM (#4625 - in reply to #4624) (#4625) Top
Tejal Phatak Posts: 81 Country : India	Tejal Phatak posted @ 2011-05-31 3:51 PM Swaroop, I guess in the IB example, the path starts from the circle and not from the other end.
	@ 2011-05-31 3:54 PM (#4626 - in reply to #4625) (#4626) Top
debmohanty Country : India	debmohanty posted @ 2011-05-31 3:54 PM Swaroop, the path starts at R3C1 as Tejal mentioned. Also the boundary wall is missing from the image, if that is your point. Here is the redrawn image Note that in the championship it is not necessary to mark the start or end. If the path correctly is drawn, you will get full points.
	@ 2011-05-31 6:05 PM (#4631 - in reply to #2876) (#4631) Top
swaroop2011 Posts: 668 Country : India	swaroop2011 posted @ 2011-05-31 6:05 PM hey thanks deb, in the IB the start point is given at r4c5 and circle is given at r3c1 thats why it was confusing..(in solution). now its very clear with above image.
	@ 2011-05-31 6:12 PM (#4632 - in reply to #2876) (#4632) Top
swaroop2011 Posts: 668 Country : India	swaroop2011 posted @ 2011-05-31 6:12 PM 1)FOUR SNAILS i think it can have multiple solutions... the N of newyork is possible at r5c1,r4c1 and r6c1. also the N and S of athens can be placed in r4c4,r4c5,r4c6,r5c5,r5c6 differently.. 2)NEWS in the solution it is given wrong and i am not getting proper solution.. in r2c3 it is W and r1c4 it is E but the rule says " directions in region should satisfy their positions with respect to each other".. please clarify it..??
	@ 2011-05-31 6:16 PM (#4633 - in reply to #4632) (#4633) Top
debmohanty Country : India	debmohanty posted @ 2011-05-31 6:16 PM swaroop2011 - 2011-05-31 6:12 PM 1)FOUR SNAILS i think it can have multiple solutions... the N of newyork is possible at r5c1,r4c1 and r6c1. also the N and S of athens can be placed in r4c4,r4c5,r4c6,r5c5,r5c6 differently.. I think you are missing the given "-" There are dashes at R5C1 R5C5 You can't put a letter where dash is already present
	@ 2011-05-31 6:23 PM (#4634 - in reply to #4633) (#4634) Top
swaroop2011 Posts: 668 Country : India	swaroop2011 posted @ 2011-05-31 6:23 PM debmohanty - 2011-05-31 6:16 PM swaroop2011 - 2011-05-31 6:12 PM 1)FOUR SNAILS i think it can have multiple solutions... the N of newyork is possible at r5c1,r4c1 and r6c1. also the N and S of athens can be placed in r4c4,r4c5,r4c6,r5c5,r5c6 differently.. I think you are missing the given "-" There are dashes at R5C1 R5C5 You can't put a letter where dash is already present hey srry for that it was not visible in my print out .. and what about four snails?
	@ 2011-05-31 6:26 PM (#4635 - in reply to #4634) (#4635) Top
debmohanty Country : India	debmohanty posted @ 2011-05-31 6:26 PM swaroop2011 - 2011-05-31 6:23 PM and what about four snails? The puzzle, solution and rules match perfectly to me.
	@ 2011-05-31 6:31 PM (#4637 - in reply to #4635) (#4637) Top
swaroop2011 Posts: 668 Country : India	swaroop2011 posted @ 2011-05-31 6:31 PM debmohanty - 2011-05-31 6:26 PM swaroop2011 - 2011-05-31 6:23 PM and what about four snails? The puzzle, solution and rules match perfectly to me. can u clarify how the region r1c3,r1c4,r2c3 satisfies the rules please..!
	@ 2011-05-31 6:39 PM (#4640 - in reply to #4633) (#4640) Top
Tejal Phatak Posts: 81 Country : India	Tejal Phatak posted @ 2011-05-31 6:39 PM Swaroop, in "NEWS"... For W-E, it need not necessarily be in the same row. In a specific region, if you are to place W-E, just make sure W is on the left hand-side and E on the right hand-side. It may or may not be in the same row. Similarly, if you see R2C4 and R3C5, N-S they are not placed in the same column. I hope that answers your doubt.
	@ 2011-05-31 6:57 PM (#4641 - in reply to #4640) (#4641) Top
swaroop2011 Posts: 668 Country : India	swaroop2011 posted @ 2011-05-31 6:57 PM Tejal Phatak - 2011-05-31 6:39 PM Swaroop, in "NEWS"... For W-E, it need not necessarily be in the same row. In a specific region, if you are to place W-E, just make sure W is on the left hand-side and E on the right hand-side. It may or may not be in the same row. Similarly, if you see R2C4 and R3C5, N-S they are not placed in the same column. I hope that answers your doubt. ya thank you..so it's similar for W and S /N and E ..
	@ 2011-05-31 7:10 PM (#4642 - in reply to #4641) (#4642) Top
Tejal Phatak Posts: 81 Country : India	Tejal Phatak posted @ 2011-05-31 7:10 PM Yes
	@ 2011-06-01 9:36 PM (#4652 - in reply to #2876) (#4652) Top
vivek572 Posts: 1 Country : India	vivek572 posted @ 2011-06-01 9:36 PM Will the puzzles in the Final be exactly as shown in the Puzzle Types booklet, or will there also be variations of those mentioned? Also, will there be only one puzzle per type, or a range of different sizes/variations?
	@ 2011-06-02 6:57 AM (#4655 - in reply to #4652) (#4655) Top
debmohanty Country : India	debmohanty posted @ 2011-06-02 6:57 AM Puzzle types will be exactly same. No more variations of even those mentioned. In Round1 and Round2, there will be 1 puzzle from each type. In Round3, there will be 2 puzzles from each type, one easy and one not-so We'll publish an Information Booklet which will specify all these and the points distribution. It will take few days.
	@ 2011-06-05 9:23 PM (#4709 - in reply to #4546) (#4709) Top
zalak Posts: 23 Country : India	zalak posted @ 2011-06-05 9:23 PM Organisers - 2011-05-28 3:45 PM rakesh_rai - 2011-05-28 12:17 PM ABC Connection: Do all cells have to be used, or can some cells remain empty? Paint-By-Number: Are the clues in the same order as seen from the given direction? ABC Connection - You don't need to know if all cells have to be used to solve the puzzle Paint-By-Number - Yes, clues are in order. Will change the instruction. I had the same question for Anglers - Do all the cells have to be used or some may remain empty? Is the answer same? ;)
	@ 2011-06-05 9:29 PM (#4710 - in reply to #4709) (#4710) Top
vopani Posts: 739 Country : India	vopani posted @ 2011-06-05 9:29 PM @Zalak Count the sum of given digits outside. If its equal to the number of cells, then no blank cells :D
	@ 2011-06-05 10:58 PM (#4713 - in reply to #4710) (#4713) Top
zalak Posts: 23 Country : India	zalak posted @ 2011-06-05 10:58 PM Rohan Rao - 2011-06-05 9:29 PM @Zalak Count the sum of given digits outside. If its equal to the number of cells, then no blank cells :D wow, thanks! never thought about it!
	@ 2011-06-06 6:49 PM (#4740 - in reply to #2876) (#4740) Top
swaroop2011 Posts: 668 Country : India	swaroop2011 posted @ 2011-06-06 6:49 PM can any body give a bigger size of puzzle for "FIRST OR LAST" for practise. i am facing sum problem to solve it..
	@ 2011-06-07 1:20 AM (#4750 - in reply to #2876) (#4750) Top
Organisers Posts: 175 Country : India	Organisers posted @ 2011-06-07 1:20 AM Information Booklet (Points table, Round Timings) published - http://logicmastersindia.com/IPC2011/finals.asp Edited by Organisers 2011-06-07 1:22 AM
	@ 2011-06-07 6:06 PM (#4754 - in reply to #2876) (#4754) Top
utkaarsh Posts: 89 Country : India	utkaarsh posted @ 2011-06-07 6:06 PM For Rd 2 , the grid sizes are given in IB , can the grid size be shared for atleast the easy puzzles in Rd 3 and Rd 1 puzzles
	@ 2011-06-07 6:18 PM (#4755 - in reply to #4754) (#4755) Top
debmohanty Country : India	debmohanty posted @ 2011-06-07 6:18 PM utkaarsh - 2011-06-07 6:06 PM For Rd 2 , the grid sizes are given in IB , can the grid size be shared for atleast the easy puzzles in Rd 3 and Rd 1 puzzles The reason it is specified for Round2 is because I had to explain the partial points. Otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned that. I can do that for Round1/3, but will it be really useful for you in planning / making a strategy, I'll do that. let me know.
	@ 2011-06-07 6:19 PM (#4756 - in reply to #2876) (#4756) Top
debmohanty Country : India	debmohanty posted @ 2011-06-07 6:19 PM Oh wait... may be I can't. Many participants don't read forum, and it will be unfair to publish something about the puzzles here. Sorry. As such, if we publish the grid sizes beforehand, it will probably be first of its kind.