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Country : India | Fred76 - 2011-03-18 4:14 PM
I think the best decision is to take into account the last submission, whether by one or the other mode. A player can solve on paper, submit, and then realize there is a mistake. Perhaps he choose to solve again with interface, and submit again. Or the reverse situation. Of course, if the first submission is correct and the second one not, it's a pity for the player...
Fred
That seems ideal. We'll stick to this rule (at least for this test, and revisit in the next test if required )
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debmohanty
Country : India | After reading the translation at sudokufans forum, I'm suddenly having a question about Jigsaw Wordoku.
Will the word (or letters to be used) given? Or players have to be find it as part of solving.
In the example it is clear since U is repeated in one column.
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Ours brun
Posts: 148
Country : France | This is a good question.
Deb, I send you an e-mail about it in a few minutes.
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Country : India | We are making an experiment - this test starts 6 hours earlier than regular LMI tests.
The scheduled end time is same as regular LMI tests timings.
Please check the exact timings in the submission page |
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Fred76
Posts: 337
Country : Switzerland | Fred76 posted @ 2011-03-22 10:15 PM debmohanty - 2011-03-19 9:42 PM
After reading the translation at sudokufans forum, I'm suddenly having a question about Jigsaw Wordoku.
Will the word (or letters to be used) given? Or players have to be find it as part of solving.
In the example it is clear since U is repeated in one column.
We finally take the decision to write the word (whose letters are used in the grid ) in the instructions of the puzzle. So if you want to save a few seconds, read the instructions of that puzzle before solving !
Fred |
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Country : India | Password protected booklet uploaded. It has 12 pages, each page has one Sudoku. [ There is no cover page ]
As mentioned earlier, the test starts 6 hours earlier than regular LMI test start time. |
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Nikola
Posts: 103
Country : Serbia | Nikola posted @ 2011-03-25 9:48 PM Yes, Fred, it is a challenge, but I think I succeeded! 
I tried everything and it's really impossible to catch the last cell (R1C1 ) with the decreasing ray.
I expect a lot of suns and flowers this weekend.
Nikola |
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Fred76
Posts: 337
Country : Switzerland | Fred76 posted @ 2011-03-26 12:15 AM Nikola - 2011-03-25 9:48 PM
Yes, Fred, it is a challenge, but I think I succeeded!
I tried everything and it's really impossible to catch the last cell (R1C1 ) with the decreasing ray.
I expect a lot of suns and flowers this weekend.
Nikola
Nice, Nikola ! Good Idea to shorten a Ray to achieve this. I think it's the only way, but I'm not mathematician, so I do not want to do a strict proof 
Good luck for the tournament !
Good luck to all and may the best win!
Fred |
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yureklis
Posts: 183
Country : Turkey | Thank you very much for very nice test! Normally I cannot solve sudoku very quickly, but i tried to do my best :) I broke some puzzles, and i couldnt fix them, especially i am very sad about "mixed", i had almost finished, but i hadnt enough time for it :) In any way, i like very much, and i must say that "Killer 0-8" was amazing!
Thank you very much again,
Serkan |
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Fred76
Posts: 337
Country : Switzerland | Fred76 posted @ 2011-03-26 4:36 AM yureklis - 2011-03-26 4:21 AM
Thank you very much for very nice test! Normally I cannot solve sudoku very quickly, but i tried to do my best :) I broke some puzzles, and i couldnt fix them, especially i am very sad about "mixed", i had almost finished, but i hadnt enough time for it :) In any way, i like very much, and i must say that "Killer 0-8" was amazing!
Thank you very much again,
Serkan
Thank you, Serkan. I'm sure your comment will reassure Bastien, who was not very satisfied by the killer 0-8 (he's the author ) and wanted to remove it from the test. Fortunately we managed to make him change his mind 
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manikodi
Posts: 8
Country : India | What is the password for the puzzle booklet? I am not able to find it in the site. |
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Country : India | manikodi - 2011-03-26 3:02 PM
What is the password for the puzzle booklet? I am not able to find it in the site.
You have to login at the submission page, click on "Start Spring"
After that the password will be shown (in red color )
You can open the pdf using the password OR you can solve online
You've to submit within 120 minutes after you "Start Spring" |
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rakesh_rai
Posts: 774
Country : India | Good selection of puzzles - the variations were eminently enjoyable. Thanks to all the authors for this test. |
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Ours brun
Posts: 148
Country : France | yureklis - 2011-03-26 12:21 AM
In any way, i like very much, and i must say that "Killer 0-8" was amazing!
Fred76 - 2011-03-26 12:36 AM
Thank you, Serkan. I'm sure your comment will reassure Bastien, who was not very satisfied by the killer 0-8 (he's the author ) and wanted to remove it from the test. Fortunately we managed to make him change his mind
Fred
This puzzle is a whole story by itself, so I will keep quiet till the test is over, but reading the word "amazing" from Serkan is for sure a huge satisfaction and reassurance.
Thanks ! (and indeed, thanks to the team for having encouraged me to keep this puzzle ) |
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vopani
Posts: 739
Country : India | vopani posted @ 2011-03-26 9:14 PM I dont like tests that are too short. I generally prefer longer tests.
I dont like tests with puzzles that are too complex or very difficult to understand and implement.
I dont like tests with puzzles that are difficult to solve and need a lot of guesswork.
Spring test is just the type of test that I love. A little lengthy, beautiful sudoku variations, some new, some standard variants, some tweaked variants, absolutely fun-guaranteed test. There are some things I want to tell, but I have to control myself till the test is over :-)
And a silly stupid mistake cost me Double Sum's points. Been very erroneous in the last few tests :(
But, great work by the team! |
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Ours brun
Posts: 148
Country : France | Thanks Rakesh and Rohan. We tried to make this test as fun as possible, and your comments tend to confirm that we did achieve our goal.
By the way, Rohan, I totally agree with the three points you exposed, so it is quite reassuring to see that, according to you, the test didn't fall in one of these traps. Looking forward to have some more detailed impressions from you (of course, even bad ones, if there are). |
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motris
Posts: 199
Country : United States | motris posted @ 2011-03-26 10:26 PM Really fun test with some great puzzles. Lots of creativity with great theming and a few phenomenal variations. My only possible complaint is that the dark green is a hard color to write on/read but it was still nice to see so many different ways to welcome Spring.
The new answer submission system was also a great improvement, so thumbs up all around. |
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detuned
Posts: 152
Country : United Kingdom | detuned posted @ 2011-03-27 1:13 AM Fred76 - 2011-03-25 7:15 PM
Nikola - 2011-03-25 9:48 PM
Yes, Fred, it is a challenge, but I think I succeeded!
I tried everything and it's really impossible to catch the last cell (R1C1 ) with the decreasing ray.
I expect a lot of suns and flowers this weekend.
Nikola
Nice, Nikola ! Good Idea to shorten a Ray to achieve this. I think it's the only way, but I'm not mathematician, so I do not want to do a strict proof
Good luck for the tournament !
Good luck to all and may the best win!
Fred
I'm sort of a mathematician, and I think I proved it (albeit via brute force ). At least with the sun in the middle 2x2 cells anyway...otherwise I think it's relatively easy 
Look forward to taking this test after dinner! |
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Fred76
Posts: 337
Country : Switzerland | Fred76 posted @ 2011-03-27 2:06 AM detuned - 2011-03-27 1:13 AM
At least with the sun in the middle 2x2 cells anyway.
Yes, it's implied by the fact that a ray of one-cell length is not really relevant ! |
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WaterlooMathie
Posts: 10
Country : Canada | Some of the puzzles were very well done... others such as the Jigsaw Wordoku are a pain in the ass when you are solving it with a keyboard. I didn't like the double sum sudoku either which isn't the kind of puzzle that's easy to do online with all of the ifs and thens involved with solving it. I didn't like that it could appear to be right until you got to the end and reached a contradiction, and using the letters on the sides made it unnecessarily confusing, when numbers on the side would have been sufficient.
Again, I think the puzzles should not just be designed for people who solve them on paper, but also for those who solve them on the site and don't use photoshop or other picture making programs to help you make enough notes to make it solvable. |
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Fred76
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Country : Switzerland | Fred76 posted @ 2011-03-27 3:05 AM WaterlooMathie - 2011-03-27 2:49 AM
Some of the puzzles were very well done... others such as the Jigsaw Wordoku are a pain in the ass when you are solving it with a keyboard. I didn't like the double sum sudoku either which isn't the kind of puzzle that's easy to do online with all of the ifs and thens involved with solving it. I didn't like that it could appear to be right until you got to the end and reached a contradiction, and using the letters on the sides made it unnecessarily confusing, when numbers on the side would have been sufficient.
Again, I think the puzzles should not just be designed for people who solve them on paper, but also for those who solve them on the site and don't use photoshop or other picture making programs to help you make enough notes to make it solvable.
David, we take note of these remarks. Even if we knew from the beginning that the test is both for online and paper solvers (we are familiar with the site, I played some tests with the interface ), we may have a bit forgotten this constraint when creating the puzzles, concentrating only on the spring theme and some interface limitations deb talked us about.
We didn't thought about the fact that it's not very convenient to solve online a grid with letter inside, for example.
We hope that, however, you enjoy the other puzzles, on which you demonstrate you are one of the best player over the world.
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Ours brun
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Country : France | WaterlooMathie - 2011-03-26 10:49 PM
Some of the puzzles were very well done... others such as the Jigsaw Wordoku are a pain in the ass when you are solving it with a keyboard. I didn't like the double sum sudoku either which isn't the kind of puzzle that's easy to do online with all of the ifs and thens involved with solving it. I didn't like that it could appear to be right until you got to the end and reached a contradiction, and using the letters on the sides made it unnecessarily confusing, when numbers on the side would have been sufficient.
Again, I think the puzzles should not just be designed for people who solve them on paper, but also for those who solve them on the site and don't use photoshop or other picture making programs to help you make enough notes to make it solvable.
Indeed, outside letters are less practical to use than numbers and we knew about it, but they are here on purpose.
As Fred just said, we didn't really think about the practicity of solving the "letters puzzles" online. We focused on several other aspects of the test in order to make it as convenient as possible (also for online solvers ), but unfortunately we forgot some of them. There is always room to improve the system... |
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detuned
Posts: 152
Country : United Kingdom | detuned posted @ 2011-03-27 6:46 AM I thought the paper submission thing worked very well. Sadly as I was waiting for everything to print out I did the classic in the web interface and somehow managed to lose my answer by the end of the test. Never mind.
For what it's worth I thought the set was set at just about the right level. From a designers point of view, everything was very pleasing. Sundoku is a lovely idea, the classic solved really nicely (remarkably so for a classic), and the Sudokurve was very creative. This is without mentioning the excellent challenging puzzles at the end of the test haha! |
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rakesh_rai
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Country : India | WaterlooMathie - 2011-03-27 2:49 AM
Some of the puzzles were very well done... others such as the Jigsaw Wordoku are a pain in the ass when you are solving it with a keyboard. I didn't like the double sum sudoku either which isn't the kind of puzzle that's easy to do online with all of the ifs and thens involved with solving it. I didn't like that it could appear to be right until you got to the end and reached a contradiction, and using the letters on the sides made it unnecessarily confusing, when numbers on the side would have been sufficient.
Again, I think the puzzles should not just be designed for people who solve them on paper, but also for those who solve them on the site and don't use photoshop or other picture making programs to help you make enough notes to make it solvable. I also solve the puzzles online and I agree that Jigsaw wordoku was difficult online. I eventually broke this puzzle after spending a lot of effort. But I thought the solving experience in Double Sum Sudoku did not suffer even if you use the online interface. Using letters or numbers does not make much of a difference as the reference was shown next to the sudoku grid. If anything, the killer was a bit problematic for me at some places, as the '0' candidate in some cells was overlapping with killer clues. I had to restart the grid from scratch as I missed reading a zero while solving. But the overall experience from the test was a very positive one. |
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