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@ 2023-06-30 3:53 PM (#31730 - in reply to #31709) (#31730) Top

Realshaggy



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Realshaggy posted @ 2023-06-30 3:53 PM

Just from trying the first few puzzles, one of the ways to mess up is by defining the wrong "default tool" that is used when you first open the puzzle in Penpa_PLUS_. If you use Penpa_PLUS_ a lot, you know what to do to fix that, but it's still a bit annoying, if you know there would have been a better option. And new users might throw the towel here already, if it is impossible to solve the puzzle with the tool that is given them on default. Don't know what your target audience is, but you probably want to put the bar for accessibility as low as possible.
Just an example (without wanting to blame him, just so you know that I mean): Sams Slitherlink uses coloring as the default tool when it is opened and I think I have seen three more puzzles by now that felt wrong.
But I also have no idea how to "guide" the setter to set up the best available tool as default.

For my own puzzle that I put up for testing, I somehow ended with black numbers as default and was surprised, that the answer check didn't work, until I discovered what was going on. In this case, I don't see a reason why number colors for checking are restricted to green,blue,red.

Edited by Realshaggy 2023-06-30 3:55 PM
@ 2023-07-02 12:53 AM (#31732 - in reply to #31709) (#31732) Top

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Realshaggy posted @ 2023-07-02 12:53 AM

I'd suggest adding a "No Sudoku" quick-search . For the LMG portal, that is the much more popular option. I really hope you will not encounter the same "flood" of 90% Sudokus though.
@ 2023-07-02 3:20 AM (#31733 - in reply to #31732) (#31733) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2023-07-02 3:20 AM

Realshaggy - 2023-07-02 12:53 AM

I'd suggest adding a "No Sudoku" quick-search . For the LMG portal, that is the much more popular option. I really hope you will not encounter the same "flood" of 90% Sudokus though.
We are working on a providing a similar option. Thank you for the suggestion.
@ 2023-07-02 5:53 PM (#31734 - in reply to #31732) (#31734) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2023-07-02 5:53 PM

Realshaggy - 2023-07-02 12:53 AM

I'd suggest adding a "No Sudoku" quick-search . For the LMG portal, that is the much more popular option. I really hope you will not encounter the same "flood" of 90% Sudokus though.
We have provided a "Puzzle Excluding Sudoku" under quick-search.

Additionally, we have also provided a mechanism to customize the Expo landing page. Using this, one can hide Sudoku related puzzles if needed.
@ 2023-07-02 9:53 PM (#31735 - in reply to #31709) (#31735) Top

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Realshaggy posted @ 2023-07-02 9:53 PM

The "customize" options appear everytime again I enter the front page. Is that the intended behaviour? (Firefox)
@ 2023-07-02 9:55 PM (#31736 - in reply to #31735) (#31736) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2023-07-02 9:55 PM

Realshaggy - 2023-07-02 9:53 PM

The "customize" options appear everytime again I enter the front page. Is that the intended behaviour? (Firefox)
No, that is not intentional. We will have this checked.
@ 2023-07-02 10:22 PM (#31737 - in reply to #31709) (#31737) Top

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Realshaggy posted @ 2023-07-02 10:22 PM

It's every time I have to log in again, which is everytime I had all browser windows closed (e.g. after system restart). I have not blocked any cookies. Loging out on purpose and loging in again has the same effect (but in this case it is mentioned that all cookies are deleted).
@ 2023-07-03 4:17 PM (#31738 - in reply to #31737) (#31738) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2023-07-03 4:17 PM

Realshaggy - 2023-07-02 10:22 PM

It's every time I have to log in again, which is everytime I had all browser windows closed (e.g. after system restart). I have not blocked any cookies. Loging out on purpose and loging in again has the same effect (but in this case it is mentioned that all cookies are deleted).
For now, we have disabled the popup for everyone. Of course, the button to customize is available for manually customizing.
@ 2023-07-04 12:41 PM (#31740 - in reply to #31709) (#31740) Top

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bakpao posted @ 2023-07-04 12:41 PM

Puzzle links on this page appear to be broken: https://logicmastersindia.com/expo/search-expo-puzzles
@ 2023-07-04 4:22 PM (#31741 - in reply to #31740) (#31741) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2023-07-04 4:22 PM

bakpao - 2023-07-04 12:41 PM

Puzzle links on this page appear to be broken: https://logicmastersindia.com/expo/search-expo-puzzles
Fixed.
@ 2023-07-04 4:43 PM (#31742 - in reply to #31709) (#31742) Top

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Menderbug posted @ 2023-07-04 4:43 PM

Loving Expo so far! Two suggestions:

- A link directly from the expo page to this thread would be good (unless I'm just blind and it's already there).
- Maybe puzzles under review could be removed from the "recent unsolved" list, since they're also not currently solvable.
@ 2023-07-04 7:16 PM (#31743 - in reply to #31709) (#31743) Top

Realshaggy



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Realshaggy posted @ 2023-07-04 7:16 PM

Suggestion: Remove "Puzzles under review" from the lists of recently published puzzles (all/unsolved). Or at least give them an icon.
@ 2023-07-04 7:52 PM (#31744 - in reply to #31709) (#31744) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2023-07-04 7:52 PM

Thank you both. Nice suggestion about "Puzzles under review".
For "Recently published puzzles" : We will mark it is broken.
We have removed from "Recently published puzzles (Unsolved)" List.
Menderbug - 2023-07-04 4:43 PM
Loving Expo so far! Two suggestions:
- A link directly from the expo page to this thread would be good (unless I'm just blind and it's already there).
No, you are right, there is no direct link. We will add.
@ 2023-07-04 8:19 PM (#31745 - in reply to #31709) (#31745) Top

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Realshaggy posted @ 2023-07-04 8:19 PM

There is still something wrong with the time measurement I think. Tapa (Windows) by Chiel shows a solving time of 10 hours something for me. I'm almost sure, I have opened and looked at the puzzle on friday or saturday, when I did my first few puzzles. Even if I'm remembering that wrong, I'm sure I did not open it and started the timer around 6am today when I was in deep sleep.
@ 2023-07-04 10:03 PM (#31746 - in reply to #31709) (#31746) Top

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Menderbug posted @ 2023-07-04 10:03 PM

Thanks for removing the puzzles under review from the unsolved list, but it seems they're still counted by the "and N more unsolved puzzles" link. That's probably less critical, but might be confusing.



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@ 2023-07-04 11:34 PM (#31747 - in reply to #31746) (#31747) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2023-07-04 11:34 PM

Menderbug - 2023-07-04 10:03 PM

Thanks for removing the puzzles under review from the unsolved list, but it seems they're still counted by the "and N more unsolved puzzles" link. That's probably less critical, but might be confusing.
Fixed. Can you please confirm?
@ 2023-07-05 12:01 AM (#31748 - in reply to #31745) (#31748) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2023-07-05 12:01 AM

Realshaggy - 2023-07-04 8:19 PM

There is still something wrong with the time measurement I think. Tapa (Windows) by Chiel shows a solving time of 10 hours something for me. I'm almost sure, I have opened and looked at the puzzle on friday or saturday, when I did my first few puzzles. Even if I'm remembering that wrong, I'm sure I did not open it and started the timer around 6am today when I was in deep sleep.
Yes, there is some display issue whenever the actual time take is more than a day. We have decided not to show timing, if it is more than a day.
@ 2023-07-05 12:06 AM (#31749 - in reply to #31747) (#31749) Top

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Menderbug posted @ 2023-07-05 12:06 AM

Administrator - 2023-07-04 11:34 PM

Fixed. Can you please confirm?
Looks good!

Edited by Menderbug 2023-07-05 12:06 AM
@ 2023-07-05 2:21 AM (#31750 - in reply to #31709) (#31750) Top

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Soni posted @ 2023-07-05 2:21 AM

- Can we have this thread be linked from somewhere prominent within the expo itself
- Can the search expo puzzles function for time (Best solving time etc) be actual time format instead of number? I cant see how to input MM:SS other than converting 0:15 to 0.25
- Can we have a thread to report incorrect timings? I started https://logicmastersindia.com/expo/?ppid=9sm-djs-gsv#timing-replay assuming it's easy (Best timing is 0:04) but it was not. Admins can manually remove anything from the thread that's clearly a bug
@ 2023-07-05 10:10 AM (#31751 - in reply to #31750) (#31751) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2023-07-05 10:10 AM

Menderbug - 2023-07-04 4:43 PM

Loving Expo so far! Two suggestions:
- A link directly from the expo page to this thread would be good (unless I'm just blind and it's already there).
Soni - 2023-07-05 2:21 AM
- Can we have this thread be linked from somewhere prominent within the expo itself
We have now added a "Help" menu at top of each of the Expo pages. Once of the submenus point to this thread.
@ 2023-07-05 10:13 AM (#31752 - in reply to #31743) (#31752) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2023-07-05 10:13 AM

Realshaggy - 2023-07-04 7:16 PM

Suggestion: Remove "Puzzles under review" from the lists of recently published puzzles (all/unsolved). Or at least give them an icon.
Have added an icon to Recently published puzzles. As posted earlier, have removed them from "unsolved" list.
Thank you so much for sharing very helpful suggestions.
@ 2023-07-05 9:50 PM (#31759 - in reply to #31709) (#31759) Top

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Realshaggy posted @ 2023-07-05 9:50 PM

The "List of Standard Puzzles/Examples..." has a different header than the other pages (in particular it is missing the freshly introduced "Help" menu, but also a few other options). Smae for some other pages. I can't see a system behind it. Maybe the header should be the same for all pages.

Edited by Realshaggy 2023-07-05 9:53 PM
@ 2023-07-06 12:42 PM (#31761 - in reply to #31709) (#31761) Top

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maxhenty4759 posted @ 2023-07-06 12:42 PM

Thanks
@ 2023-07-07 4:07 AM (#31767 - in reply to #31709) (#31767) Top

Realshaggy



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Realshaggy posted @ 2023-07-07 4:07 AM

After having done a few more puzzles, it's still the most common mistake, that a puzzle is started with the wrong default tool (e.g. "Surface" in a Sudoku). It's easy to fix for the solver, but it still feels annoying, if it comes up again and again.

It's especially bad for newcomers who don't have experience with switching tools and don't even know what the best options are. Some of them are buried deep in the menu structure. E.g. for the Ring Ring, which is also set to "Surface" on default currently, my natural choice would be switching to "Special -> Loop -> Line or x", but I don't think a new user would find that.

Therefore I think the setters should be guided better into choosing the right default tool when publishing a puzzle.

One idea might be an (initially checked) checkbox "use appropriate default tool" or something like that in the submitting dialog. If the software is able to identify the puzzle as a standard type (e.g. a Sudoku of any kind or a shading puzzle), the default tool is switched to an appropriate option, regardless of what the user has set. It's still possible to uncheck it either for unknown types, or if the setter really has something different in mind.

It's just a rough idea though, I have no idea how this could work with Penpa Lite or user defined tool lists.
@ 2023-07-07 1:00 PM (#31770 - in reply to #31744) (#31770) Top

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Realshaggy posted @ 2023-07-07 1:00 PM

Administrator - 2023-07-05 3:52 PM

Thank you both. Nice suggestion about "Puzzles under review".
For "Recently published puzzles" : We will mark it is broken.
We have removed from "Recently published puzzles (Unsolved)" List.


Thanks for the changes so far. I still have some small concerns with "Puzzles under review".

They are filtered now on the mainpage in the "unsolved puzzles" list and they have a symbol in the "recently published" list. But if I enter the list of unsolved puzzles via the main page, they are shown again and I can't distinguish them from currently available puzzles. Depending on my activity and the number of posted puzzles, this could lead to a situation where I have a handful of unsolved puzzles among a long list of "puzzles under review". And I have to click through all of them to find the ones I can still do.

For me it seems the list of "unsolved puzzles" entered from the main page is the most common way to navigate for "heavy users". At least for now and if they are not searching for something specific. And as long as the portal does not take off with dozens of puzzles per day, there will be enough people with near completion that have the same problem.

You might also consider deleting "Puzzles under review", if the reason does not get adressed by the author after a reasonable time. There are a few currently which should be easily fixable in a minute or so (they are just missing a proper answer check), meanwhile the author prefers publishing more puzzles.
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