Thread - Mock Test 17

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purifire posted @ 2010-03-18 12:46 PM

@ Akash

You will have to determine which instruction belongs to which grid and then apply that instruction and solve....

@ 2010-03-18 12:56 PM (#272 - in reply to #266) (#272) Top

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purifire posted @ 2010-03-18 12:56 PM

@ GOtroch

I had a quick question on Outside Killer. Will the consectuive cells be marked in the puzzle or we have to find out which are the cells?? and do the consecutive numbers have to be in one single stretch or it can be different cells. For example if the outside number is 10 then can we have the grid as 1,2,5,3,4 where 1 and 2 are consecutive and so are 3 and 4. These four numbers add to 10 but are separated by a 5 in between. So is this scenario allowed or all the consecutive numbers have to be together??

On the no operations mathdoku, is there any example we can look at? Maybe some variation on Fed??

Rishi

@ 2010-03-18 3:16 PM (#273 - in reply to #272) (#273) Top

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Gotroch posted @ 2010-03-18 3:16 PM

purifire - 2010-03-18 12:56 PM

@ GOtroch

I had a quick question on Outside Killer. Will the consectuive cells be marked in the puzzle or we have to find out which are the cells?? and do the consecutive numbers have to be in one single stretch or it can be different cells. For example if the outside number is 10 then can we have the grid as 1,2,5,3,4 where 1 and 2 are consecutive and so are 3 and 4. These four numbers add to 10 but are separated by a 5 in between. So is this scenario allowed or all the consecutive numbers have to be together??

On the no operations mathdoku, is there any example we can look at? Maybe some variation on Fed??

Rishi

Sorry, there should be neighboring cells

5 Outside Killer
Numbers outside the rows/columns indicates that there is at least one couple of NEIGBORING cells in that row/column which sum is equal to this number

So, for example, if there is number 16 outside one row, then there have to be digits 7 and 9 as neighbors in that row

Yes, there is No Operations Mathdoku on the FED site created by oddest http://www.fed-sudoku.eu/sudokuplay/0177.swf
Also I think there are some examples on Snyder's blog http://www.stanford.edu/~tsnyder/kenken.htm

@ 2010-03-18 5:03 PM (#274 - in reply to #273) (#274) Top

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purifire posted @ 2010-03-18 5:03 PM

Thanks Gotroch... One last question... Can there be more than one instance of such sums...

For example 10 is outisde... I can have 4 and 6 as one adjoining pair and also 3 & 7 again in the same row?

@ 2010-03-18 5:09 PM (#275 - in reply to #274) (#275) Top

debmohanty

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debmohanty posted @ 2010-03-18 5:09 PM

i think it is clear in the instruction " at least one couple of consecutive cells in that row/column which sum is equal to this number"

so you can 4&6 as one adjoining pair, and also 3&7 as another in the same row/column

@ 2010-03-18 5:20 PM (#276 - in reply to #275) (#276) Top

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purifire posted @ 2010-03-18 5:20 PM

But will these single/multiple "killer cells" be marked?? that is my question :D

@ 2010-03-18 6:42 PM (#278 - in reply to #276) (#278) Top

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Gotroch posted @ 2010-03-18 6:42 PM

purifire - 2010-03-18 5:20 PM

But will these single/multiple "killer cells" be marked?? that is my question :D

No, cells will not be marked.
Because If I mark all these cells, then puzzle becomes standard killer sudoku. :)

@ 2010-03-18 7:37 PM (#279 - in reply to #278) (#279) Top

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purifire posted @ 2010-03-18 7:37 PM

Gotroch..Thanks for clarifying... but then all sorts of different questions are coming ot my head...lol

@ 2010-03-19 12:32 AM (#280 - in reply to #279) (#280) Top

gauravkorde

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gauravkorde posted @ 2010-03-19 12:32 AM

lolz you better get some sleep before the competition.... your head sure seems to be spinning at the moment :P :D

@ 2010-03-19 2:02 PM (#281 - in reply to #280) (#281) Top

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purifire posted @ 2010-03-19 2:02 PM

No Time to sleep buddy... :D

Office ....practice.... preparation for mock 19 ..... married life (not necessarily in the same order ) hell... 24 hrs is too less in a day...lol

@ 2010-03-19 4:17 PM (#282 - in reply to #281) (#282) Top

valsudo

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valsudo posted @ 2010-03-19 4:17 PM

purifire - 2010-03-19 2:02 PM

No Time to sleep buddy... :D

Office ....practice.... preparation for mock 19 ..... married life (not necessarily in the same order ) hell... 24 hrs is too less in a day...lol

Could also you guard my two boys ( two little angels;) ...) this weekend so that I can make the tournament quietly ???? :laugh:

@ 2010-03-19 4:44 PM (#283 - in reply to #282) (#283) Top

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purifire posted @ 2010-03-19 4:44 PM

valsudo - 2010-03-19 4:17 PM

Could also you guard my two boys ( two little angels;) ...) this weekend so that I can make the tournament quietly ???? :laugh:

Send them over!!!! The more the merrier :D

@ 2010-03-19 6:24 PM (#284 - in reply to #254) (#284) Top

akash.doulani

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akash.doulani posted @ 2010-03-19 6:24 PM

could we have some practice puzzles to solve online?

@ 2010-03-19 8:16 PM (#285 - in reply to #254) (#285) Top

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Gotroch posted @ 2010-03-19 8:16 PM

We have finished Instruction Booklet for Mock Test 17 and sent to Deb.
Booklet file is also attached in this post.

Edited by Gotroch 2010-03-19 8:18 PM

Attachments
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SudokuMockTest17IB.pdf (54KB - 6 downloads)

@ 2010-03-19 10:04 PM (#286 - in reply to #254) (#286) Top

debmohanty

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debmohanty posted @ 2010-03-19 10:04 PM

Renamed the attached file.

It is also uploaded at mock17 page

@ 2010-03-19 11:16 PM (#287 - in reply to #254) (#287) Top

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neerajmehrotra posted @ 2010-03-19 11:16 PM

@ Gotroch
Pan Digital: Apply standard sudoku rules for the digits 1 to 9. For each group of shaded areas use this
rule: First two rows of add up to the number formed on the third row. In these areas
numbers can be repeated.

What does the last line mean..............In these areas
numbers can be repeated.
Since if the numbers are repeated then the standard sudoku rules do not apply............please clarify

Edited by neerajmehrotra 2010-03-19 11:18 PM

@ 2010-03-19 11:30 PM (#288 - in reply to #287) (#288) Top

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Gotroch posted @ 2010-03-19 11:30 PM

They can't be repeated in the booklet example, as the shaded 3x3 areas in example perfetcly cover standard sudoku 3x3 boxes.
In competetive puzzle, placement of these areas will be different so it will allow repeating of digits.

@ 2010-03-20 12:45 AM (#289 - in reply to #254) (#289) Top

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neerajmehrotra posted @ 2010-03-20 12:45 AM

Oh OK..thanx

@ 2010-03-20 12:50 AM (#290 - in reply to #254) (#290) Top

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neerajmehrotra posted @ 2010-03-20 12:50 AM

Outside Killer in the IB........Is the solution unique

I am getting two solutions for the puzzle in the IB.....R5C2 can be both 4 and 5 with R6C2 and similarly R5C7 can be both 4 and 5 with R6C7............can somebody throw some light on this

@ 2010-03-20 1:07 AM (#291 - in reply to #290) (#291) Top

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Gotroch posted @ 2010-03-20 1:07 AM

neerajmehrotra - 2010-03-20 12:50 AM

Outside Killer in the IB........Is the solution unique

I am getting two solutions for the puzzle in the IB.....R5C2 can be both 4 and 5 with R6C2 and similarly R5C7 can be both 4 and 5 with R6C7............can somebody throw some light on this

I have checked the example and it is OK, so you probably made some mistake somewhere.
Check attached solution:

@ 2010-03-20 1:20 AM (#292 - in reply to #254) (#292) Top

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neerajmehrotra posted @ 2010-03-20 1:20 AM

thanx a lot.............yep i was committing a mistake...........thanx again

@ 2010-03-20 1:23 AM (#293 - in reply to #290) (#293) Top

amitsowani

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amitsowani posted @ 2010-03-20 1:23 AM

The Outside Killer in the IB has a unique solution.
I am pasting the solution here so that you can verify where you made a mistake.

The clue with the 14 on the left was simply awesome :)

@ 2010-03-20 1:26 AM (#294 - in reply to #293) (#294) Top

amitsowani

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amitsowani posted @ 2010-03-20 1:26 AM

Too late in solving and posting the solution :)

@ 2010-03-20 1:35 AM (#295 - in reply to #254) (#295) Top