@ 2019-02-23 12:45 AM (#26679 - in reply to #26676) (#26679) Top
Country : India
Administrator posted @ 2019-02-23 12:45 AM
sojaboon - Solving was fun and went smoothly, but I struggled way too much with the answer keys. I tend to confuse 'length of loop segment' with 'number of cells'. On top of that, this time I also put the right answer in the wrong box multiple times. :-(
Most of the submission errors were actual errors (except for the "right answer in the wrong box" cases). And in one case, both "length of loop segment" and "number of cells" are used in the same answer key. If any one notation ("length of loop segment" or "number of cells") is consistently used, points will be awarded.
@ 2019-02-23 2:01 AM (#26680 - in reply to #26671) (#26680) TopPosts: 170
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rob posted @ 2019-02-23 2:01 AM
swaroop2011 - 2019-02-22 1:20 PM
Yes, but remember, that line can be on the border as well. That is either entire region is full or empty.
mstang - 2019-02-22 12:06 PM
(For Water Fun,) is it right to say that, for each region, you can draw some horizontal line such that the part of the region below the line is all filled, and the part of the region above the line is all unfilled?
(For Water Fun,) is it right to say that, for each region, you can draw some horizontal line such that the part of the region below the line is all filled, and the part of the region above the line is all unfilled?
Yes, but remember, that line can be on the border as well. That is either entire region is full or empty.
I disagree, in an upside down U, you should be able to fill out both legs independently, according to the stated rules (and how I know "Water Fun", contrasted with the croco Aquarium which use mstang's suggested rule).
@ 2019-02-23 2:02 AM (#26681 - in reply to #26651) (#26681) TopPosts: 170
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rob posted @ 2019-02-23 2:02 AM
This was a lot of fun, thank you Amit. That third Straight Loop sure threw me for a loop!
Also the big Nurikabe Loop fell very easily, but I probably got a little lucky there.
Also the big Nurikabe Loop fell very easily, but I probably got a little lucky there.
@ 2019-02-23 2:41 AM (#26682 - in reply to #26651) (#26682) TopPosts: 187
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kiwijam posted @ 2019-02-23 2:41 AM
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
| Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | SL with Shading | |
| What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Perfect answer keys | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right |
I think the Water Funs give the same unique answer with either rule, so it didn't matter much.
I struggled with the last Straight Loop until I realised I was using Balance Loop logic instead (oops), they start the same way but in this case the lengths don't matter if the loop doesn't turn at the circle.
The middle Cross Loop was a favourite.
Great quality puzzles, thanks Amit!
@ 2019-02-23 6:25 AM (#26683 - in reply to #26651) (#26683) TopPosts: 23
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EctoPlasma posted @ 2019-02-23 6:25 AM
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
| Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | Nurikabe | |
| What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Mostly perfect answer keys | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right |
I had little trouble entering keys for Cross Loop. Great contest besides that!
By the way, please update PR & SM ratings
@ 2019-02-23 1:53 PM (#26685 - in reply to #26651) (#26685) TopPosts: 20
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kousek-nebe posted @ 2019-02-23 1:53 PM
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Fairly Nice | |
| Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | Cross Loop | |
| What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Mostly perfect answer keys | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right |
@ 2019-02-23 2:12 PM (#26686 - in reply to #26651) (#26686) TopAn LMI player
An LMI player posted @ 2019-02-23 2:12 PM
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
| Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | Nurikabe Loop | |
| What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Perfect answer keys | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right |
@ 2019-02-23 4:25 PM (#26687 - in reply to #26651) (#26687) TopPosts: 139
Country : Estonia
TiiT posted @ 2019-02-23 4:25 PM
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
| Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | Cross Loop | |
| What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Perfect answer keys | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right |
@ 2019-02-23 5:24 PM (#26688 - in reply to #26651) (#26688) TopPosts: 1
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Reetoo posted @ 2019-02-23 5:24 PM
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Too many hard puzzles | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Fairly Nice | |
| Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | Straight Loop | |
| What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Perfect answer keys | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | I have a different complaint |
@ 2019-02-23 7:30 PM (#26689 - in reply to #26682) (#26689) TopPosts: 349
Country : India
amitsowani posted @ 2019-02-23 7:30 PM
kiwijam - 2019-02-23 2:41 AM
I struggled with the last Straight Loop until I realised I was using Balance Loop logic instead (oops), they start the same way but in this case the lengths don't matter if the loop doesn't turn at the circle
I struggled with the last Straight Loop until I realised I was using Balance Loop logic instead (oops), they start the same way but in this case the lengths don't matter if the loop doesn't turn at the circle
Its interesting you mention that, because Rakesh also had a similar feedback while test solving where he compared it to the Balance Loop logic.
@ 2019-02-23 7:42 PM (#26690 - in reply to #26681) (#26690) TopPosts: 349
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amitsowani posted @ 2019-02-23 7:42 PM
rob - 2019-02-23 2:02 AM
This was a lot of fun, thank you Amit. That third Straight Loop sure threw me for a loop!
This was a lot of fun, thank you Amit. That third Straight Loop sure threw me for a loop!
I am glad to hear this feedback. The straight loop type was selected after seeing the puzzles you had posted on the Logic Masters portal.
Also the big Nurikabe Loop fell very easily, but I probably got a little lucky there.
This one was difficult to allocate points. Once the center was resolved the rest of the puzzle gets resolved quickly.
@ 2019-02-23 7:51 PM (#26691 - in reply to #26683) (#26691) TopPosts: 349
Country : India
amitsowani posted @ 2019-02-23 7:51 PM
EctoPlasma - 2019-02-23 6:25 AM
I had little trouble entering keys for Cross Loop.
I had little trouble entering keys for Cross Loop.
We had discussed the answer key for this puzzle type and were not completely satisfied with the diagonal answer keys but decided to keep it as a compromise.
It is a difficult puzzle type to set a nice answer key for.
The Logic Masters portal where I cam across this type uses locations of crossings, which is a good answer key but would have been terrible for the second puzzle which had a very large number of crossings.
@ 2019-02-23 10:50 PM (#26692 - in reply to #26651) (#26692) TopPosts: 59
Country : United States
bob posted @ 2019-02-23 10:50 PM
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
| Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | Nurikabe Loop | |
| What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Perfect answer keys | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right |
My favorite PR round in a long time. Very nice and interesting puzzles, and solveable enough that I actually had enough time to at least look at them all (I just am not that fast and accept that). I need to figure out some theorems for straight loop; I couldn't get anywhere with those.
@ 2019-02-23 11:05 PM (#26693 - in reply to #26651) (#26693) TopPosts: 18
Country : Canada
sstackho posted @ 2019-02-23 11:05 PM
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
| Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | Water Fun | |
| What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Perfect answer keys | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right |
@ 2019-02-23 11:10 PM (#26694 - in reply to #26651) (#26694) TopAn LMI player
An LMI player posted @ 2019-02-23 11:10 PM
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Fairly Nice | |
| Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | Water Fun | |
| What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Perfect answer keys | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Many puzzles were worth too much or too little | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right |
@ 2019-02-24 4:48 AM (#26695 - in reply to #26651) (#26695) TopPosts: 12
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Nizz posted @ 2019-02-24 4:48 AM
The rule for blank circles in "Straight Loop" are unclear as stated. I assume that each circle has a "hidden" number - ie if the loop bends, both segments must be the same length. Otherwise puzzle 17 is unsolvable. (It still seems unsolvable to me - I assume there's an opening I haven't found yet)
@ 2019-02-24 5:26 AM (#26696 - in reply to #26651) (#26696) TopAn LMI player
An LMI player posted @ 2019-02-24 5:26 AM
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Too many easy puzzles | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Fairly Nice | |
| Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | Shakashaka | |
| What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Mostly perfect answer keys | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right |
@ 2019-02-24 5:36 AM (#26697 - in reply to #26651) (#26697) TopPosts: 74
Country : United States
mstang posted @ 2019-02-24 5:36 AM
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Too many hard puzzles | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
| Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | SL with Shading | |
| What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Perfect answer keys | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right |
@ 2019-02-24 6:42 AM (#26698 - in reply to #26651) (#26698) TopPosts: 65
Country : United States
WA1729 posted @ 2019-02-24 6:42 AM
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
| Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | Nurikabe Loop | |
| What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Perfect answer keys | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right |
Favorite Puzzles:
3 Water Fun
9 Shakashaka
11 Nurikabe Loop
Thank you!
@ 2019-02-24 11:21 AM (#26699 - in reply to #26651) (#26699) TopPosts: 668
Country : India
swaroop2011 posted @ 2019-02-24 11:21 AM
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
| Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | Straight Loop | |
| What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Perfect answer keys | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right |
I must say I was bit afraid of the test, considering last tests authored by Amit.
But this was indeed spectacular. Right balance of difficulty and quality. The sarting trick of each puzzle was really awesome.
Unfortunately I messed on the last puzzle and couldn't complete in the time but nonetheless enjoyable.
My favourite were:
1)Straightloop (3rd one I was just staring for a minute, until i realized similar to balance loop logic)
2) ShakaShaka (again the 3rd one was awesome, the 4-1 combo was tricky)
3) Cross Loop (I was afraid of this type as solving it first time and I was struggling.)
Thanks Amit.
Thanks LMI.
@ 2019-02-24 1:51 PM (#26700 - in reply to #26651) (#26700) TopPosts: 136
Country : India
anurag posted @ 2019-02-24 1:51 PM
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
| Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | Nurikabe Loop | |
| What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Perfect answer keys | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right |
@ 2019-02-24 1:56 PM (#26701 - in reply to #26651) (#26701) TopAn LMI player
An LMI player posted @ 2019-02-24 1:56 PM
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Too many easy puzzles | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
| Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | Straight Loop | |
| What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Perfect answer keys | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right |
I think the puzzles were a bit easier than usual. Also thought the "SL with shading" could better be described as a "Outside Yajilin" or "Row/Column Yajilin" or another similar name because the ruleset of having no two shaded cells adjacent was much more like Yajilin than Simple Loop.
I really enjoyed the last straight loop and the last shakashaka (though I almost ran out of time for that so I had to guess a bit). I also felt the large nurikabe loop was a bit too easy (I intuitively guessed how the middle should fill given the rules and it worked).
I really enjoyed this PR.
Edited by An LMI player 2019-02-24 2:04 PM
@ 2019-02-24 4:46 PM (#26702 - in reply to #26651) (#26702) TopPosts: 241
Country : Indonesia
chaotic_iak posted @ 2019-02-24 4:46 PM
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
| Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | SL with Shading | |
| What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Perfect answer keys | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right |
A thing about Shakashaka: I don't think it's your usual shading genre, and I might place it closer to object placement instead.
Oh, also a thing about Straight Loop 3: Technically this one is not solvable because there is no number in the circles. You might have wanted to put a ? in every circle instead, to tell that there *is* a number but it's unknown.
Edited by chaotic_iak 2019-02-24 4:49 PM
@ 2019-02-24 9:22 PM (#26703 - in reply to #26651) (#26703) TopPosts: 225
Country : Thailand
tamz29 posted @ 2019-02-24 9:22 PM
Thanks for the test!
A very nice balance. No one particular puzzle was too hard from the rest.
Haven't seen Cross Loop before, an interesting type.
Straight Loop costed me lots of minutes because somehow I was trying to solve it as a Balance Loop.
I see other people have similar experiences!
Ughh
A very nice PR round. This should be the standard for SM/PR.
Thanks again!
A very nice balance. No one particular puzzle was too hard from the rest.
Haven't seen Cross Loop before, an interesting type.
Straight Loop costed me lots of minutes because somehow I was trying to solve it as a Balance Loop.
I see other people have similar experiences!
Ughh
A very nice PR round. This should be the standard for SM/PR.
Thanks again!
@ 2019-02-24 11:35 PM (#26704 - in reply to #26651) (#26704) TopPosts: 36
Country : India
priyambhushan posted @ 2019-02-24 11:35 PM
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
| Which set of puzzles did you like the most? | Water Fun | |
| What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? | Perfect answer keys | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right |
Barring 2-3 puzzle types, they were all new to me, so I was very sceptical about this round.
However, I had a surprisingly great time solving this set! Lots of variety, and a good balance of puzzle difficulty from my point of view.
Thank You Amit! :)
Edited by priyambhushan 2019-02-24 11:43 PM