Thread - LMI November Puzzle Test

@ 2010-11-21 6:11 PM (#2606 - in reply to #2605) (#2606) Top

Administrator

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Administrator posted @ 2010-11-21 6:11 PM

Gotroch - 2010-11-21 6:10 PM
Same thing Akash mentioned, happened to me. Could you please grant me points too.

Done

@ 2010-11-21 11:04 PM (#2611 - in reply to #2465) (#2611) Top

PuzzleScot

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PuzzleScot posted @ 2010-11-21 11:04 PM

I entered the wrong key for #4 - I put in the contents of the greyed area rather than the arrowed rows. Any chance of upgrading my score from 'disastrous' to just 'miserable' ?
Nice puzzles - not enough time for me. Will enjoy them later... Thank-you for the contest!

@ 2010-11-21 11:09 PM (#2612 - in reply to #2611) (#2612) Top

debmohanty

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debmohanty posted @ 2010-11-21 11:09 PM

PuzzleScot - 2010-11-21 11:04 PM

I entered the wrong key for #4 - I put in the contents of the greyed area rather than the arrowed rows. Any chance of upgrading my score from 'disastrous' to just 'miserable' ?

Done

@ 2010-11-22 1:39 AM (#2613 - in reply to #2465) (#2613) Top

willwc

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willwc posted @ 2010-11-22 1:39 AM

If someone could check my entry for #1, it would be appreciated. I can't really explain it here without giving away part of the solution, but I think the error there should be fairly clear to someone who looks at it. (Unfortunately, the other 0's I submitted are all legitimately incorrect solutions

)

Thanks to David for the interesting puzzle set, and especially to everyone affiliated with LMI who contributes to administering these contests every month.

@ 2010-11-22 1:44 AM (#2614 - in reply to #2465) (#2614) Top

drsteve

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drsteve posted @ 2010-11-22 1:44 AM

David and Deb

Great test, lots of fun, although as a Maths teacher, I could have done with less adding up.

Time seemed fine to me - I wouldn't expect to finish one of these (and I didn't, obviously) - maybe 60 minutes would have been better, but I still wouldn't have caught the thing that caused me to waste a lot of time on one puzzle (won't say what for fear of spoilers)

Cheers

@ 2010-11-22 2:25 AM (#2615 - in reply to #2465) (#2615) Top

rodders

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rodders posted @ 2010-11-22 2:25 AM

Very enjoyable set of tests.

I realise I have entered the incorrect key for #4. I entered the bottom row of both puzzles rather than the 3rd row of the right hand puzzle. I'm relatively confident I have the correct solution, although of course won't give it away here. Any chance of rescuing some points for that puzzle???

@ 2010-11-22 2:46 AM (#2616 - in reply to #2465) (#2616) Top

radekivv

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radekivv posted @ 2010-11-22 2:46 AM

Would it be possible to check my answer to #7? I separated lines by commas and the system did not like it. Thanks.

@ 2010-11-22 2:57 AM (#2617 - in reply to #2465) (#2617) Top

radekivv

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radekivv posted @ 2010-11-22 2:57 AM

Dave, thanks for a very nice set of puzzles! I will definitely finish the remaining ones not to miss any fun :-).

@ 2010-11-22 3:23 AM (#2618 - in reply to #2612) (#2618) Top

davep

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davep posted @ 2010-11-22 3:23 AM

Hi Deb -
I also entered the yellow-outlined areas on #4 as my answers

....

In any case, compliments to David for some very clever puzzles (I ran out of time, so I will enjoy Deb's ESB later).

Best regards

Dave

Edited by davep 2010-11-22 3:24 AM

@ 2010-11-22 4:04 AM (#2619 - in reply to #2465) (#2619) Top

ostroffj

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ostroffj posted @ 2010-11-22 4:04 AM

Aw, I had my first typo when entering one of the FLIP 'n' Fills. And it knocked me down a bonus point bracket!

If it helps, my typo implies that a number ending in a 0 was flipped (which is clearly false). But I can understand being strict about this, and it's not like I'm really in contention for a top score anyway.

@ 2010-11-22 7:31 AM (#2620 - in reply to #2465) (#2620) Top

detuned

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detuned posted @ 2010-11-22 7:31 AM

Deb - I think there's a bug with regards to the puzzle rating system. I can't seem to give a rating for the two puzzles I had a manual override on the score.

For what it's worth, I thought #3 was a 6/10 and #12 was an 8/10.

@ 2010-11-22 8:18 AM (#2621 - in reply to #2620) (#2621) Top

debmohanty

Country : India

debmohanty posted @ 2010-11-22 8:18 AM

detuned - 2010-11-22 7:31 AM

Deb - I think there's a bug with regards to the puzzle rating system. I can't seem to give a rating for the two puzzles I had a manual override on the score.

For what it's worth, I thought #3 was a 6/10 and #12 was an 8/10.

Will have a look before next test. For now, I've added your ratings for the two specified puzzles.

@ 2010-11-22 8:36 AM (#2622 - in reply to #2621) (#2622) Top

Administrator

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Administrator posted @ 2010-11-22 8:36 AM

willwc - 2010-11-22 1:39 AM
If someone could check my entry for #1, it would be appreciated. I can't really explain it here without giving away part of the solution, but I think the error there should be fairly clear to someone who looks at it. (Unfortunately, the other 0's I submitted are all legitimately incorrect solutions

)

~~Correct answer 2FGHJ. Your answer 2FGHI.~~
Marked correct.

rodders - 2010-11-22 2:25 AM
I realise I have entered the incorrect key for #4. I entered the bottom row of both puzzles rather than the 3rd row of the right hand puzzle. I'm relatively confident I have the correct solution, although of course won't give it away here. Any chance of rescuing some points for that puzzle???

davep - 2010-11-22 3:23 AM
I also entered the yellow-outlined areas on #4 as my answers

....

Done
Many players did this. Given points to both you and others

radekivv - 2010-11-22 2:46 AM
Would it be possible to check my answer to #7? I separated lines by commas and the system did not like it. Thanks.

Many players did this. Given points to you and all others (even who didn't claim).

@ 2010-11-22 8:44 AM (#2623 - in reply to #2465) (#2623) Top

Administrator

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Administrator posted @ 2010-11-22 8:44 AM

Checked all submissions for manual overrides. There is none as far as I can see.
Results are frozen now.

@ 2010-11-22 8:54 AM (#2624 - in reply to #2465) (#2624) Top

ostroffj

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ostroffj posted @ 2010-11-22 8:54 AM

Admin, I think willwc's point is that there is no row I: the rows read ABCDEFGHJK. So by "I" he meant "the thing after H".

@ 2010-11-22 8:54 AM (#2625 - in reply to #2465) (#2625) Top

Administrator

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Administrator posted @ 2010-11-22 8:54 AM

Congratulations to Thomas Snyder and Hideaki Jo for topping in FLIP. Only 2 players to complete, and by what a margin - 18 minutes remaining. Only few seconds separating them apart.
Nikola continued his trend of single-puzzle-mistake from Renban. He would have otherwise got 9 minutes bonus.

In Indian ladder, Rakesh converted his 'good performance in Renban' into a 'great performance in FLIP'. And we've Keshava at 3rd position among Indian participants. Well done, Keshava and hope to see you do better in upcoming tests.

@ 2010-11-22 9:01 AM (#2626 - in reply to #2624) (#2626) Top

Administrator

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Administrator posted @ 2010-11-22 9:01 AM

ostroffj - 2010-11-22 8:54 AM

Admin, I think willwc's point is that there is no row I: the rows read ABCDEFGHJK. So by "I" he meant "the thing after H".

That was careless from me. Sorry willwc. Thanks ostroffj for pointing.
3 players did the same mistake.
pushpa.mr
RJH0723
willwc
All of them get full points.
willwc's score is 360 now, and he moves to 15th position.

@ 2010-11-22 9:07 AM (#2627 - in reply to #2626) (#2627) Top

Administrator

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Administrator posted @ 2010-11-22 9:07 AM

Slightly lesser participants compared to the last two LMI tests.
98 out of 115 players got non-zero scores. Thank you everyone for participating.

Those who could not participate should try to solve and enjoy the puzzles at leisure.

@ 2010-11-22 9:13 AM (#2629 - in reply to #2465) (#2629) Top

Administrator

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Administrator posted @ 2010-11-22 9:13 AM

Next monthly test

@ 2010-11-22 9:07 PM (#2634 - in reply to #2626) (#2634) Top

ostroffj

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ostroffj posted @ 2010-11-22 9:07 PM

All of them get full points.

And I don't suppose I could get credit for #3? It was the same kind of mistake, though less clear cut: instead of "K" I wrote "J", which unfortunately is an actual row. But then, if the last row ends in a 1, then I couldn't have thought J was flipped, or else that answer would be a two-digit number starting with a zero.

@ 2010-11-22 9:40 PM (#2635 - in reply to #2465) (#2635) Top

davmillar

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davmillar posted @ 2010-11-22 9:40 PM

Thank you to everyone who participated in the test and for the feedback afterward.

I'm sorry that the test was so short. Given the number of other tests going on this past weekend as well as over the last couple of weeks and upcoming weeks, I thought that a shorter, simpler test would be appreciated. I also hoped a shorter test would inspire more people to give the test a try.

I'm glad to see that many of the puzzles were well-liked. From what I can gather, the FLIP Mirror 0-2-5 were among the favorites, so perhaps I'll make more of those to put on The Griddle when I have some spare time.

Thanks again to all!

David

@ 2010-11-22 10:30 PM (#2637 - in reply to #2465) (#2637) Top

davmillar

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davmillar posted @ 2010-11-22 10:30 PM

@ostroffj: In the other cases, it was clear that the answer was incorrectly entered since no row called 'I' exists. In your answer, since a row called 'J' exists, it would be unfair to give credit since it was not clear if that was your intended answer or if it was a typo. It is not a personal decision, but to be fair we cannot award you those points.

In any of my future tests with LMI, I will be sure to very clearly label rows as needed, and will only accept the correct answer as indicated by the Instruction Booklet to ensure that the scores given to all are fair.

@ 2010-11-22 11:09 PM (#2639 - in reply to #2635) (#2639) Top

figonometry

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figonometry posted @ 2010-11-22 11:09 PM

I very much appreciated that the test was short. I'm far more able to do an hour-long test. I mean, I can now finish it while my wife is watching some TV show I don't like!

@ 2010-11-23 12:05 AM (#2640 - in reply to #2465) (#2640) Top

zhergan

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zhergan posted @ 2010-11-23 12:05 AM

David and LMI team for conducting such a nice contest

I enjoyed the puzzles which involved math a lot. I liked the fences puzzle a lot also. I must say it is a very well designed one. Even I did not try to solve the ESB during the test I must also say that it is a good constructed one. Actually I usually make some errors while solving such puzzles in a short time. These are not my type I think. But I enjoyed solving this one after the test. Conrats to all toppers and every participant.

Regards,

Zafer

Edited by zhergan 2010-11-23 12:06 AM

@ 2010-11-23 4:52 AM (#2641 - in reply to #2465) (#2641) Top

ostroffj

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ostroffj posted @ 2010-11-23 4:52 AM

I was also a fan of the test's length, even though it certainly flew by. I didn't learn about the test until Sunday morning, and only had about 90 minutes of consecutive free time in which to participate, so much longer and I would've been right out.


	@ 2010-11-21 6:11 PM (#2606 - in reply to #2605) (#2606) Top
Administrator Country : India	Administrator posted @ 2010-11-21 6:11 PM Gotroch - 2010-11-21 6:10 PM Same thing Akash mentioned, happened to me. Could you please grant me points too. Done
	@ 2010-11-21 11:04 PM (#2611 - in reply to #2465) (#2611) Top
PuzzleScot Posts: 31 Country : United Kingdom	PuzzleScot posted @ 2010-11-21 11:04 PM I entered the wrong key for #4 - I put in the contents of the greyed area rather than the arrowed rows. Any chance of upgrading my score from 'disastrous' to just 'miserable' ? Nice puzzles - not enough time for me. Will enjoy them later... Thank-you for the contest!
	@ 2010-11-21 11:09 PM (#2612 - in reply to #2611) (#2612) Top
debmohanty Country : India	debmohanty posted @ 2010-11-21 11:09 PM PuzzleScot - 2010-11-21 11:04 PM I entered the wrong key for #4 - I put in the contents of the greyed area rather than the arrowed rows. Any chance of upgrading my score from 'disastrous' to just 'miserable' ? Done
	@ 2010-11-22 1:39 AM (#2613 - in reply to #2465) (#2613) Top
willwc Posts: 12 Country : United States	willwc posted @ 2010-11-22 1:39 AM If someone could check my entry for #1, it would be appreciated. I can't really explain it here without giving away part of the solution, but I think the error there should be fairly clear to someone who looks at it. (Unfortunately, the other 0's I submitted are all legitimately incorrect solutions ) Thanks to David for the interesting puzzle set, and especially to everyone affiliated with LMI who contributes to administering these contests every month.
	@ 2010-11-22 1:44 AM (#2614 - in reply to #2465) (#2614) Top
drsteve Posts: 12 Country : United Kingdom	drsteve posted @ 2010-11-22 1:44 AM David and Deb Great test, lots of fun, although as a Maths teacher, I could have done with less adding up. Time seemed fine to me - I wouldn't expect to finish one of these (and I didn't, obviously) - maybe 60 minutes would have been better, but I still wouldn't have caught the thing that caused me to waste a lot of time on one puzzle (won't say what for fear of spoilers) Cheers
	@ 2010-11-22 2:25 AM (#2615 - in reply to #2465) (#2615) Top
rodders Posts: 4 Country : United Kingdom	rodders posted @ 2010-11-22 2:25 AM Very enjoyable set of tests. I realise I have entered the incorrect key for #4. I entered the bottom row of both puzzles rather than the 3rd row of the right hand puzzle. I'm relatively confident I have the correct solution, although of course won't give it away here. Any chance of rescuing some points for that puzzle???
	@ 2010-11-22 2:46 AM (#2616 - in reply to #2465) (#2616) Top
radekivv Posts: 13 Country : United States	radekivv posted @ 2010-11-22 2:46 AM Would it be possible to check my answer to #7? I separated lines by commas and the system did not like it. Thanks.
	@ 2010-11-22 2:57 AM (#2617 - in reply to #2465) (#2617) Top
radekivv Posts: 13 Country : United States	radekivv posted @ 2010-11-22 2:57 AM Dave, thanks for a very nice set of puzzles! I will definitely finish the remaining ones not to miss any fun :-).
	@ 2010-11-22 3:23 AM (#2618 - in reply to #2612) (#2618) Top
davep Posts: 43 Country : United States	davep posted @ 2010-11-22 3:23 AM Hi Deb - I also entered the yellow-outlined areas on #4 as my answers .... In any case, compliments to David for some very clever puzzles (I ran out of time, so I will enjoy Deb's ESB later). Best regards Dave Edited by davep 2010-11-22 3:24 AM
	@ 2010-11-22 4:04 AM (#2619 - in reply to #2465) (#2619) Top
ostroffj Posts: 10 Country : United States	ostroffj posted @ 2010-11-22 4:04 AM Aw, I had my first typo when entering one of the FLIP 'n' Fills. And it knocked me down a bonus point bracket! If it helps, my typo implies that a number ending in a 0 was flipped (which is clearly false). But I can understand being strict about this, and it's not like I'm really in contention for a top score anyway.
	@ 2010-11-22 7:31 AM (#2620 - in reply to #2465) (#2620) Top
detuned Posts: 152 Country : United Kingdom	detuned posted @ 2010-11-22 7:31 AM Deb - I think there's a bug with regards to the puzzle rating system. I can't seem to give a rating for the two puzzles I had a manual override on the score. For what it's worth, I thought #3 was a 6/10 and #12 was an 8/10.
	@ 2010-11-22 8:18 AM (#2621 - in reply to #2620) (#2621) Top
debmohanty Country : India	debmohanty posted @ 2010-11-22 8:18 AM detuned - 2010-11-22 7:31 AM Deb - I think there's a bug with regards to the puzzle rating system. I can't seem to give a rating for the two puzzles I had a manual override on the score. For what it's worth, I thought #3 was a 6/10 and #12 was an 8/10. Will have a look before next test. For now, I've added your ratings for the two specified puzzles.
	@ 2010-11-22 8:36 AM (#2622 - in reply to #2621) (#2622) Top
Administrator Country : India	Administrator posted @ 2010-11-22 8:36 AM willwc - 2010-11-22 1:39 AM If someone could check my entry for #1, it would be appreciated. I can't really explain it here without giving away part of the solution, but I think the error there should be fairly clear to someone who looks at it. (Unfortunately, the other 0's I submitted are all legitimately incorrect solutions ) ~~Correct answer 2FGHJ. Your answer 2FGHI.~~ Marked correct. rodders - 2010-11-22 2:25 AM I realise I have entered the incorrect key for #4. I entered the bottom row of both puzzles rather than the 3rd row of the right hand puzzle. I'm relatively confident I have the correct solution, although of course won't give it away here. Any chance of rescuing some points for that puzzle??? davep - 2010-11-22 3:23 AM I also entered the yellow-outlined areas on #4 as my answers .... Done Many players did this. Given points to both you and others radekivv - 2010-11-22 2:46 AM Would it be possible to check my answer to #7? I separated lines by commas and the system did not like it. Thanks. Many players did this. Given points to you and all others (even who didn't claim).
	@ 2010-11-22 8:44 AM (#2623 - in reply to #2465) (#2623) Top
Administrator Country : India	Administrator posted @ 2010-11-22 8:44 AM Checked all submissions for manual overrides. There is none as far as I can see. Results are frozen now.
	@ 2010-11-22 8:54 AM (#2624 - in reply to #2465) (#2624) Top
ostroffj Posts: 10 Country : United States	ostroffj posted @ 2010-11-22 8:54 AM Admin, I think willwc's point is that there is no row I: the rows read ABCDEFGHJK. So by "I" he meant "the thing after H".
	@ 2010-11-22 8:54 AM (#2625 - in reply to #2465) (#2625) Top
Administrator Country : India	Administrator posted @ 2010-11-22 8:54 AM Congratulations to Thomas Snyder and Hideaki Jo for topping in FLIP. Only 2 players to complete, and by what a margin - 18 minutes remaining. Only few seconds separating them apart. Nikola continued his trend of single-puzzle-mistake from Renban. He would have otherwise got 9 minutes bonus. In Indian ladder, Rakesh converted his 'good performance in Renban' into a 'great performance in FLIP'. And we've Keshava at 3rd position among Indian participants. Well done, Keshava and hope to see you do better in upcoming tests.
	@ 2010-11-22 9:01 AM (#2626 - in reply to #2624) (#2626) Top
Administrator Country : India	Administrator posted @ 2010-11-22 9:01 AM ostroffj - 2010-11-22 8:54 AM Admin, I think willwc's point is that there is no row I: the rows read ABCDEFGHJK. So by "I" he meant "the thing after H". That was careless from me. Sorry willwc. Thanks ostroffj for pointing. 3 players did the same mistake. pushpa.mr RJH0723 willwc All of them get full points. willwc's score is 360 now, and he moves to 15th position.
	@ 2010-11-22 9:07 AM (#2627 - in reply to #2626) (#2627) Top
Administrator Country : India	Administrator posted @ 2010-11-22 9:07 AM Slightly lesser participants compared to the last two LMI tests. 98 out of 115 players got non-zero scores. Thank you everyone for participating. Those who could not participate should try to solve and enjoy the puzzles at leisure.
	@ 2010-11-22 9:13 AM (#2629 - in reply to #2465) (#2629) Top
Administrator Country : India	Administrator posted @ 2010-11-22 9:13 AM Next monthly test
	@ 2010-11-22 9:07 PM (#2634 - in reply to #2626) (#2634) Top
ostroffj Posts: 10 Country : United States	ostroffj posted @ 2010-11-22 9:07 PM All of them get full points. And I don't suppose I could get credit for #3? It was the same kind of mistake, though less clear cut: instead of "K" I wrote "J", which unfortunately is an actual row. But then, if the last row ends in a 1, then I couldn't have thought J was flipped, or else that answer would be a two-digit number starting with a zero.
	@ 2010-11-22 9:40 PM (#2635 - in reply to #2465) (#2635) Top
davmillar Posts: 44 Country : United States	davmillar posted @ 2010-11-22 9:40 PM Thank you to everyone who participated in the test and for the feedback afterward. I'm sorry that the test was so short. Given the number of other tests going on this past weekend as well as over the last couple of weeks and upcoming weeks, I thought that a shorter, simpler test would be appreciated. I also hoped a shorter test would inspire more people to give the test a try. I'm glad to see that many of the puzzles were well-liked. From what I can gather, the FLIP Mirror 0-2-5 were among the favorites, so perhaps I'll make more of those to put on The Griddle when I have some spare time. Thanks again to all! David
	@ 2010-11-22 10:30 PM (#2637 - in reply to #2465) (#2637) Top
davmillar Posts: 44 Country : United States	davmillar posted @ 2010-11-22 10:30 PM @ostroffj: In the other cases, it was clear that the answer was incorrectly entered since no row called 'I' exists. In your answer, since a row called 'J' exists, it would be unfair to give credit since it was not clear if that was your intended answer or if it was a typo. It is not a personal decision, but to be fair we cannot award you those points. In any of my future tests with LMI, I will be sure to very clearly label rows as needed, and will only accept the correct answer as indicated by the Instruction Booklet to ensure that the scores given to all are fair.
	@ 2010-11-22 11:09 PM (#2639 - in reply to #2635) (#2639) Top
figonometry Posts: 30 Country : Canada	figonometry posted @ 2010-11-22 11:09 PM I very much appreciated that the test was short. I'm far more able to do an hour-long test. I mean, I can now finish it while my wife is watching some TV show I don't like!
	@ 2010-11-23 12:05 AM (#2640 - in reply to #2465) (#2640) Top
zhergan Posts: 32 Country : Turkey	zhergan posted @ 2010-11-23 12:05 AM David and LMI team for conducting such a nice contest I enjoyed the puzzles which involved math a lot. I liked the fences puzzle a lot also. I must say it is a very well designed one. Even I did not try to solve the ESB during the test I must also say that it is a good constructed one. Actually I usually make some errors while solving such puzzles in a short time. These are not my type I think. But I enjoyed solving this one after the test. Conrats to all toppers and every participant. Regards, Zafer Edited by zhergan 2010-11-23 12:06 AM
	@ 2010-11-23 4:52 AM (#2641 - in reply to #2465) (#2641) Top
ostroffj Posts: 10 Country : United States	ostroffj posted @ 2010-11-23 4:52 AM I was also a fan of the test's length, even though it certainly flew by. I didn't learn about the test until Sunday morning, and only had about 90 minutes of consecutive free time in which to participate, so much longer and I would've been right out.