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@ 2018-02-15 11:59 PM (#24281 - in reply to #24280) (#24281) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2018-02-15 11:59 PM

The test is active now. The test can be started till 23:59 IST / 18:29 GMT on Monday (19th).

Good luck to all participants!
@ 2018-02-16 2:49 AM (#24282 - in reply to #24242) (#24282) Top

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An LMI player posted @ 2018-02-16 2:49 AM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Incorrect Products
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2018-02-18 10:36 PM (#24286 - in reply to #24282) (#24286) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2018-02-18 10:36 PM

Forum Thread Issue resolved


Over the last two days, some users faced an error when accessing this forum thread for forsmarts contest. The issue is resolved now. All participants can access the thread and post their feedback or comments now.

@ 2018-02-19 3:16 AM (#24287 - in reply to #24242) (#24287) Top

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chaotic_iak posted @ 2018-02-19 3:16 AM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Incorrect Products
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


A good mix of puzzles -- with a mix of quality, too. But most puzzles are good. Let's see:

- Non-Integer Kakuro: This is just Missing Digits Kakuro (or something like that). The non-integer part isn't utilized much. And honestly I don't think you can do much with Non-Integer Kakuro that you can't do with Kakuro with nonstandard set.
- Non-Integer Kropki: You can just multiply by 2 to get normal Kropki except white circles have difference 2. But at least this one changes the meaning of the circles, and so is a more interesting application.
- Cornerless Snake: This is actually a very interesting design, even if I ended up intuiting it. Still need to figure out a more logical approach, but this puzzle was good. Answer key was less good though; I'm not sure if H, F, - make the best answers, but I feel like it could have been better.
- Triangular Minesweepers: Both puzzles were incredible, although I think the large one ended up needing a few "I think this must go this way" reasoning near the end. Very good showcase of these puzzles. Answer key was... weird; could have gone with all letters (Mine / Empty, for example), or something that involves orientations of the mines too.
- Triangular Battleships: I also mostly intuited it, but I think it has a nice logical solution. And even though its name is Battleships, its logic has nearly nothing in common with it.
- Incorrect Easy As ABC: Somehow this one doesn't seem quite penetrable and I had to resort to guessing a lot. My first opinion is that this type is kinda brute-forcy, but if someone can show a logical solution...
- Incorrect Products: This one, though, is way fairer. I identified the two conflicting clues right away. These liar puzzles seem to be best if there's a clear set of contradicting clues, which I don't believe I find in Easy As ABC.
- Incorrect Calcudoku: Same as above, although the contradicting clues aren't as clear. But still very reasonable.
- Incorrect Spiral Galaxies: Ehhh, I intuited this through like usual Spiral Galaxies. I'm sure it's possible to do it logically, but most Spiral Galaxies fall through with intuition easier.
- Unknown Calendar: Oops I skipped this. But "sharing a digit" and "in the same row/column" are two different things and the instructions should have exactly stated which one. At the current state, 2 and 10 may or may not be adjacent.
- Unknown Diginet: Okay this is an incredibly weird genre and I'm not sure whether I like it or not. I ended up intuiting it and I'm not sure what logical solution I can possibly obtain from this genre. The answer key is also not something I'm sure I like.
- Unknown Pentomino: This one falls through fairly, and nothing particularly notable.
- Instructionless Alpha: This is a pretty good genre idea, although the logic falls through very easily once you get the tricks. Answer key was a big mess though; should have gone with the same symbols instead of translating to B and F.
- Instructionless Beta: Oops I still can't figure this out.
- Instructionless Gamma: Region borders might have been better clearer, but otherwise this lends itself to easy puzzles. Not certain the answer key was the best (could have gone with the standard "longest/all segments in marked rows/columns").

So, all in all: interesting puzzles, some less-than-perfect applications but mostly good, some less-than-perfect answer keys as well, but I enjoyed the interesting genres.
@ 2018-02-19 3:19 PM (#24289 - in reply to #24242) (#24289) Top

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kiwijam posted @ 2018-02-19 3:19 PM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Instructionless Gamma
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


I was able to answer both Alphas without finishing the puzzle, due to the answer keys pointing to easy rows.
Not sure why rightmost lines were used, leftmost feels more 'normal'.
Alpha Small felt like it had 2 solutions?
Don't like the Beta example.
I solved the first two as integer puzzles, which I think is a nicer presentation.
Gamma, Unknown Pentomino, and Alpha were my favourite new types.
@ 2018-02-19 7:35 PM (#24290 - in reply to #24242) (#24290) Top

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An LMI player posted @ 2018-02-19 7:35 PM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Non-Integer Kropki
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2018-02-19 7:51 PM (#24291 - in reply to #24242) (#24291) Top

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ABcDexter posted @ 2018-02-19 7:51 PM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Non-Integer Kakuro
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2018-02-19 9:28 PM (#24292 - in reply to #24291) (#24292) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2018-02-19 9:28 PM

Contest extended by 24 hours


Based on requests, the test end time is now extended by 24 hours, and will be open full day on 20th February. Check submission page for exact timing.

@ 2018-02-20 1:52 AM (#24293 - in reply to #24242) (#24293) Top

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Gotroch posted @ 2018-02-20 1:52 AM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Incorrect Products
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2018-02-20 4:22 AM (#24294 - in reply to #24242) (#24294) Top

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kiwijam posted @ 2018-02-20 4:22 AM

"Contest extended by 24 hours" post is not visible when I'm not logged in.

Edited by kiwijam 2018-02-20 4:22 AM
@ 2018-02-20 8:01 AM (#24295 - in reply to #24242) (#24295) Top

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swaroop2011 posted @ 2018-02-20 8:01 AM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many medium difficult puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Unknown Calendar
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


Well interesting set of puzzles. Wasted lot of time in switching between puzzles and couldn't complete lots of them. Have to solve remaining.
Thanks for the test.
@ 2018-02-20 10:32 AM (#24296 - in reply to #24242) (#24296) Top

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An LMI player posted @ 2018-02-20 10:32 AM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Triangular Minesweeper
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2018-02-20 12:16 PM (#24297 - in reply to #24242) (#24297) Top

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An LMI player posted @ 2018-02-20 12:16 PM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many medium difficult puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Unknown Diginet
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2018-02-21 3:37 AM (#24301 - in reply to #24242) (#24301) Top

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An LMI player posted @ 2018-02-21 3:37 AM

 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 Which set of puzzles did you like the most? Unknown Calendar
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2018-02-21 6:41 AM (#24302 - in reply to #24242) (#24302) Top

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chaotic_iak posted @ 2018-02-21 6:41 AM

My first ever podium finish that I can remember, and this is done when I'm half-asleep. Clearly I should do contests while half-asleep. :P
@ 2018-02-21 3:26 PM (#24304 - in reply to #24302) (#24304) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2018-02-21 3:26 PM

chaotic_iak - 2018-02-21 6:41 AM

My first ever podium finish that I can remember, and this is done when I'm half-asleep. Clearly I should do contests while half-asleep. :P


I've come to a similar conclusion recently. I make more mistakes when I'm solving fresh -_- There's probably a weird theory explaining it somewhere even if I can't think of one now.
@ 2018-02-21 3:35 PM (#24305 - in reply to #24242) (#24305) Top

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forsmarts posted @ 2018-02-21 3:35 PM

Big thanks to all the competitors and congratulations to Endo, Ivan and Kota, who made it to a top-3.
I would also like to thank my co-authors:
Olga Shut, who created all Unknown puzzles and Instructionless Gamma
and Andrey Bogdanov, author of all Triangular puzzles.

Edited by forsmarts 2018-02-21 3:37 PM
@ 2018-02-21 3:43 PM (#24306 - in reply to #24242) (#24306) Top

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skrzypl1 posted @ 2018-02-21 3:43 PM

I think that Unknown digits have second possible solution: 1234. Connecting: 1-6, 2-7, 3-5, 3-9, 4-5. Am I wrong?

Also, can we know rules for instructionless puzzles? For example when I solve alpha I get multiple solutions (but proper answer keys nevertheless).

EDIT: I just figured out proper alpha rules that don't give multiple solutions.

Edited by skrzypl1 2018-02-21 4:04 PM
@ 2018-02-21 4:13 PM (#24307 - in reply to #24306) (#24307) Top

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forsmarts posted @ 2018-02-21 4:13 PM

skrzypl1 - 2018-02-21 3:43 PM
I think that Unknown digits have second possible solution: 1234. Connecting: 1-6, 2-7, 3-5, 3-9, 4-5. Am I wrong?

Seems like you're right :( Confirmed with Olga.
I'll ask an administrator to give full points for this one as well.
@ 2018-02-22 10:22 AM (#24311 - in reply to #24242) (#24311) Top

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Ziti posted @ 2018-02-22 10:22 AM

Thank you Vladimir and all your helpers for an entertaining and challenging set of puzzles. I never know how such creative people come up with new puzzle types but I am grateful that you do!

Will there be a solution pdf published? Man oh man I do not see what I did wrong on Gamma -- at least the first one seems like it follows a perfectly unique set of rules.
@ 2018-02-22 4:22 PM (#24314 - in reply to #24311) (#24314) Top

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forsmarts posted @ 2018-02-22 4:22 PM

Ziti - 2018-02-22 10:22 AM
Will there be a solution pdf published?

I'm sure the solutions will be posted a bit later on a contest page. Meanwhile you can get it from here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-WA0Yld3B-L_d-CzrC-nBNj13kdc0eiw
@ 2018-02-22 11:49 PM (#24318 - in reply to #24242) (#24318) Top

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tamz29 posted @ 2018-02-22 11:49 PM

Great puzzles and a lot of new ideas!
Is there a way to see the puzzles from the aforementioned Moscow Cup ?
@ 2018-02-23 1:37 AM (#24321 - in reply to #24318) (#24321) Top

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forsmarts posted @ 2018-02-23 1:37 AM

tamz29 - 2018-02-22 11:49 PM
Is there a way to see the puzzles from the aforementioned Moscow Cup ?

They'll be posted shortly on http://diogenclub.com/, but it will be in Russian.
@ 2018-02-23 5:58 AM (#24323 - in reply to #24242) (#24323) Top

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Para posted @ 2018-02-23 5:58 AM

Isn’t this a valid solution for Incorrect Products too?

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@ 2018-02-23 6:55 AM (#24324 - in reply to #24242) (#24324) Top

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chaotic_iak posted @ 2018-02-23 6:55 AM

Para: The 6 is replaced by a 18; that's not a change of one digit.

And to the puzzle: It's a shame to know that Unknown Diginet has multiple solutions. That must be why I was wondering how you can possibly approach this logically.

Edited by chaotic_iak 2018-02-23 6:56 AM
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