Thread - LMI September Puzzle Test

Country : India

debmohanty posted @ 2010-09-01 8:40 AM

bartunio - 2010-09-01 2:27 AM

Hi, this might be a silly question, but where exactly can I find instruction booklet for the test? I think I have reviewed the whole Logic Masters India, including the Evergreens website and cannot see them... And a minor offtopic: is it possible to find pdf with your previous competitions?

When you go to EverGreen II website (http://logicmastersindia.com/M201009P/), on the right side of the page, Instruction Booklet is available. See image below.

For all previous competitions, you have to visit the respective pages. See this link for monthly tests and this link for mock tests.

Please post here if you still face problems.

@ 2010-09-02 3:36 AM (#1444 - in reply to #1403) (#1444) Top

bartunio

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bartunio posted @ 2010-09-02 3:36 AM

Great, thanks. This might have sounded a silly question as I look at it now, but this was all because I use a MSI laptop with tiny screen and thus the resolution is set in such a way that I sometimes do not see things in the edges of the screen unless I scroll it:-) Thanks again and sorry for molesting anyway.

@ 2010-09-03 12:29 PM (#1448 - in reply to #1403) (#1448) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2010-09-03 12:29 PM

Filling in Country field must before you can take this test. This is done primarily because of IPC next week.

When you visit EverGreens page, the login space will be slightly different from how it looked earlier.

If you already have country updated, you can login after filling in username and password.

But if your country is blank (i.e. you have never updated the country field earlier), you have to fill in the country field before you can start the test. Otherwise, you will get error message.

To know if your country is blank OR filled, you can visit Settings. You can update the field there too.

@ 2010-09-03 2:30 PM (#1450 - in reply to #1403) (#1450) Top

aldentea

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aldentea posted @ 2010-09-03 2:30 PM

In MASTERMIND, can the solution have 0?

@ 2010-09-03 5:59 PM (#1452 - in reply to #1450) (#1452) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2010-09-03 5:59 PM

aldentea - 2010-09-03 2:30 PM

In MASTERMIND, can the solution have 0?

0s are not allowed in the solution.
Sorry for the incomplete instruction.

@ 2010-09-03 6:45 PM (#1453 - in reply to #1403) (#1453) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2010-09-03 6:45 PM

Puzzle Booklet uploaded. There are 13 pages. The first page has points table and one puzzle. Each other page has 2 puzzles.

@ 2010-09-03 7:12 PM (#1454 - in reply to #1403) (#1454) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2010-09-03 7:12 PM

Based on the discussion during Broken Pieces, partial Bonus will be awarded in this test.
We'll use Ziti's formula in this test, as an experiment basis.

If all puzzles are not correct, a factor will be computed based on your score. Your time bonus will be (number of minutes saved * this factor * 8).

Factor = (Points earned - 4 * points missed) / (Total points)

In this is case, Total Points will be considered as 575.
'Points earned' will be computed with any group bonus etc.

See table below, for how much the factor will be based on the points (without group bonus)

@ 2010-09-03 7:16 PM (#1455 - in reply to #1403) (#1455) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2010-09-03 7:16 PM

Note :

Partial Bonus will not be available in IPC.

Based on the response we get in this test, we may continue / modify / drop the idea of Partial Bonus.

@ 2010-09-03 7:22 PM (#1456 - in reply to #1403) (#1456) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2010-09-03 7:22 PM

Following rules will be applied in order to break ties, in case there are any.

Most points without any bonus

Earliest Timestamp for last correct submission

[Subject to change in other LMI tests]

@ 2010-09-04 8:23 AM (#1457 - in reply to #1403) (#1457) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2010-09-04 8:23 AM

The test has started.
Best of luck to all participants.

@ 2010-09-04 3:22 PM (#1458 - in reply to #1403) (#1458) Top

Semax

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Semax posted @ 2010-09-04 3:22 PM

In darts, is it possible to hit a number more than once?

@ 2010-09-04 3:58 PM (#1459 - in reply to #1458) (#1459) Top

amitsowani

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amitsowani posted @ 2010-09-04 3:58 PM

In Darts the same number cannot be hit more then once.

@ 2010-09-04 5:57 PM (#1460 - in reply to #1403) (#1460) Top

Semax

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Semax posted @ 2010-09-04 5:57 PM

Thank you.

@ 2010-09-04 7:40 PM (#1462 - in reply to #1403) (#1462) Top

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Gotroch posted @ 2010-09-04 7:40 PM

Question about time bonus.
What if someone submit all puzzles ~10 mins before time limit with one error and later he realizes he made that error.
So he will submit answers again (this time correct) 1min before time limit.
With current partial bonus system it means that solver could lose points for that action.
What points that solver will be awarded?

@ 2010-09-04 7:43 PM (#1463 - in reply to #1403) (#1463) Top

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Gotroch posted @ 2010-09-04 7:43 PM

Also If some competitor sends blank answers, he could reach better score then competitor who solves more puzzles but doesn't submit all answers.

Edited by Gotroch 2010-09-04 7:44 PM

@ 2010-09-04 7:52 PM (#1464 - in reply to #1462) (#1464) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2010-09-04 7:52 PM

Gotroch - 2010-09-04 7:40 PM

Question about time bonus.
What if someone submit all puzzles ~10 mins before time limit with one error and later he realizes he made that error.
So he will submit answers again (this time correct) 1min before time limit.
With current partial bonus system it means that solver could lose points for that action.
What points that solver will be awarded?

We'll just consider the final submission, and not intermediate submissions.
It is not necessary that the player will lose points because of that action. There are several parameters which will limit the partial bonus.

@ 2010-09-04 7:55 PM (#1465 - in reply to #1463) (#1465) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2010-09-04 7:55 PM

Gotroch - 2010-09-04 7:43 PM

Also If some competitor sends blank answers, he could reach better score then competitor who solves more puzzles but doesn't submit all answers.

This is not possible.
See table in http://logicmastersindia.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=120&s...
It is not possible to get bonus if you have scored 460 or less.

@ 2010-09-04 8:11 PM (#1467 - in reply to #1465) (#1467) Top

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Gotroch posted @ 2010-09-04 8:11 PM

Administrator - 2010-09-04 7:55 PM

Gotroch - 2010-09-04 7:43 PM

Also If some competitor sends blank answers, he could reach better score then competitor who solves more puzzles but doesn't submit all answers.

This is not possible.
See table in http://logicmastersindia.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=120&s...
It is not possible to get bonus if you have scored 460 or less.

I didn't mean all answers blank, just few of them (1-3)

@ 2010-09-04 8:15 PM (#1468 - in reply to #1403) (#1468) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2010-09-04 8:15 PM

still - the answer does not change.
Partial bonus will be awarded only if someone has got 465 or more.

@ 2010-09-04 8:25 PM (#1469 - in reply to #1468) (#1469) Top

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Gotroch posted @ 2010-09-04 8:25 PM

Administrator - 2010-09-04 8:15 PM

still - the answer does not change.
Partial bonus will be awarded only if someone has got 465 or more.

OK, but then In my opinion partial bonus should be also awarded to competitor who scored 465 and more points but didn't submit all answers.

@ 2010-09-04 8:36 PM (#1470 - in reply to #1469) (#1470) Top

neerajmehrotra

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neerajmehrotra posted @ 2010-09-04 8:36 PM

Gotroch - 2010-09-04 8:25 PM

Administrator - 2010-09-04 8:15 PM

still - the answer does not change.
Partial bonus will be awarded only if someone has got 465 or more.

OK, but then In my opinion partial bonus should be also awarded to competitor who scored 465 and more points but didn't submit all answers.

I think anyone who scores more than 465 points gets the bonus irrespective of whether he submits all the puzzles or few wrong puzzles..........Am I correct????

@ 2010-09-04 8:40 PM (#1471 - in reply to #1403) (#1471) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2010-09-04 8:40 PM

Neeraj, you are correct.
Please check the factor table again.
If a players submits everything in 70 minutes, and gets a score of 465 he gets a bonus point 3.
If a players submits everything in 70 minutes, and gets a score of 500 he gets a bonus point 28.
If a players submits everything in 70 minutes, and gets a score of 575 he gets a bonus point 80.

It does not matter if some puzzles are wrong or not submitted. They are treated same way.

@ 2010-09-04 8:44 PM (#1472 - in reply to #1403) (#1472) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2010-09-04 8:44 PM

so, it is obvious that the player getting 465 in 70 minutes must try for few more puzzles in the remaining 10 minutes rather than getting satisfied with 3 bonus points.

@ 2010-09-04 9:15 PM (#1473 - in reply to #1472) (#1473) Top