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@ 2010-09-03 7:12 PM (#1454 - in reply to #1403) (#1454) Top

debmohanty




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debmohanty posted @ 2010-09-03 7:12 PM

Based on the discussion during Broken Pieces, partial Bonus will be awarded in this test.
We'll use Ziti's formula in this test, as an experiment basis.

If all puzzles are not correct, a factor will be computed based on your score. Your time bonus will be (number of minutes saved * this factor * 8).

Factor = (Points earned - 4 * points missed) / (Total points)

In this is case, Total Points will be considered as 575.
'Points earned' will be computed with any group bonus etc.

See table below, for how much the factor will be based on the points (without group bonus)

@ 2010-09-03 7:16 PM (#1455 - in reply to #1403) (#1455) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2010-09-03 7:16 PM

Note :
  • Partial Bonus will not be available in IPC.
  • Based on the response we get in this test, we may continue / modify / drop the idea of Partial Bonus.
  • @ 2010-09-03 7:22 PM (#1456 - in reply to #1403) (#1456) Top

    debmohanty




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    debmohanty posted @ 2010-09-03 7:22 PM

    Following rules will be applied in order to break ties, in case there are any.
  • Most points without any bonus
  • Earliest Timestamp for last correct submission


  • [Subject to change in other LMI tests]
    @ 2010-09-04 8:23 AM (#1457 - in reply to #1403) (#1457) Top

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    Administrator posted @ 2010-09-04 8:23 AM

    The test has started.
    Best of luck to all participants.
    @ 2010-09-04 3:22 PM (#1458 - in reply to #1403) (#1458) Top

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    Semax posted @ 2010-09-04 3:22 PM

    In darts, is it possible to hit a number more than once?
    @ 2010-09-04 3:58 PM (#1459 - in reply to #1458) (#1459) Top

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    amitsowani posted @ 2010-09-04 3:58 PM

    In Darts the same number cannot be hit more then once.
    @ 2010-09-04 5:57 PM (#1460 - in reply to #1403) (#1460) Top

    Semax



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    Semax posted @ 2010-09-04 5:57 PM

    Thank you.
    @ 2010-09-04 7:40 PM (#1462 - in reply to #1403) (#1462) Top

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    Gotroch posted @ 2010-09-04 7:40 PM

    Question about time bonus.
    What if someone submit all puzzles ~10 mins before time limit with one error and later he realizes he made that error.
    So he will submit answers again (this time correct) 1min before time limit.
    With current partial bonus system it means that solver could lose points for that action.
    What points that solver will be awarded?
    @ 2010-09-04 7:43 PM (#1463 - in reply to #1403) (#1463) Top

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    Gotroch posted @ 2010-09-04 7:43 PM

    Also If some competitor sends blank answers, he could reach better score then competitor who solves more puzzles but doesn't submit all answers.

    Edited by Gotroch 2010-09-04 7:44 PM
    @ 2010-09-04 7:52 PM (#1464 - in reply to #1462) (#1464) Top

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    Administrator posted @ 2010-09-04 7:52 PM

    Gotroch - 2010-09-04 7:40 PM

    Question about time bonus.
    What if someone submit all puzzles ~10 mins before time limit with one error and later he realizes he made that error.
    So he will submit answers again (this time correct) 1min before time limit.
    With current partial bonus system it means that solver could lose points for that action.
    What points that solver will be awarded?

    We'll just consider the final submission, and not intermediate submissions.
    It is not necessary that the player will lose points because of that action. There are several parameters which will limit the partial bonus.
    @ 2010-09-04 7:55 PM (#1465 - in reply to #1463) (#1465) Top

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    Administrator posted @ 2010-09-04 7:55 PM

    Gotroch - 2010-09-04 7:43 PM

    Also If some competitor sends blank answers, he could reach better score then competitor who solves more puzzles but doesn't submit all answers.

    This is not possible.
    See table in http://logicmastersindia.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=120&s...
    It is not possible to get bonus if you have scored 460 or less.
    @ 2010-09-04 8:11 PM (#1467 - in reply to #1465) (#1467) Top

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    Gotroch posted @ 2010-09-04 8:11 PM

    Administrator - 2010-09-04 7:55 PM

    Gotroch - 2010-09-04 7:43 PM

    Also If some competitor sends blank answers, he could reach better score then competitor who solves more puzzles but doesn't submit all answers.

    This is not possible.
    See table in http://logicmastersindia.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=120&s...
    It is not possible to get bonus if you have scored 460 or less.


    I didn't mean all answers blank, just few of them (1-3)
    @ 2010-09-04 8:15 PM (#1468 - in reply to #1403) (#1468) Top

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    Administrator posted @ 2010-09-04 8:15 PM

    still - the answer does not change.
    Partial bonus will be awarded only if someone has got 465 or more.
    @ 2010-09-04 8:25 PM (#1469 - in reply to #1468) (#1469) Top

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    Gotroch posted @ 2010-09-04 8:25 PM

    Administrator - 2010-09-04 8:15 PM

    still - the answer does not change.
    Partial bonus will be awarded only if someone has got 465 or more.


    OK, but then In my opinion partial bonus should be also awarded to competitor who scored 465 and more points but didn't submit all answers.
    @ 2010-09-04 8:36 PM (#1470 - in reply to #1469) (#1470) Top

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    neerajmehrotra posted @ 2010-09-04 8:36 PM

    Gotroch - 2010-09-04 8:25 PM

    Administrator - 2010-09-04 8:15 PM

    still - the answer does not change.
    Partial bonus will be awarded only if someone has got 465 or more.


    OK, but then In my opinion partial bonus should be also awarded to competitor who scored 465 and more points but didn't submit all answers.


    I think anyone who scores more than 465 points gets the bonus irrespective of whether he submits all the puzzles or few wrong puzzles..........Am I correct????
    @ 2010-09-04 8:40 PM (#1471 - in reply to #1403) (#1471) Top

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    Administrator posted @ 2010-09-04 8:40 PM

    Neeraj, you are correct.
    Please check the factor table again.
    If a players submits everything in 70 minutes, and gets a score of 465 he gets a bonus point 3.
    If a players submits everything in 70 minutes, and gets a score of 500 he gets a bonus point 28.
    If a players submits everything in 70 minutes, and gets a score of 575 he gets a bonus point 80.

    It does not matter if some puzzles are wrong or not submitted. They are treated same way.
    @ 2010-09-04 8:44 PM (#1472 - in reply to #1403) (#1472) Top

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    Administrator posted @ 2010-09-04 8:44 PM

    so, it is obvious that the player getting 465 in 70 minutes must try for few more puzzles in the remaining 10 minutes rather than getting satisfied with 3 bonus points.
    @ 2010-09-04 9:15 PM (#1473 - in reply to #1472) (#1473) Top

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    Administrator posted @ 2010-09-04 9:15 PM

    The score page is updated to take care of different bonus points.
    Players who have taken the test can check their final score by visiting the score page.
    @ 2010-09-05 5:26 AM (#1474 - in reply to #1403) (#1474) Top

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    David McNeill posted @ 2010-09-05 5:26 AM

    Deb,

    I submitted the answer in a slightly wrong format for Number Pyramid but I think I solved the puzzle correctly. Can you check it for me?

    Thank you,

    David McNeill.

    PS Enjoyed the puzzles.
    @ 2010-09-05 5:51 AM (#1475 - in reply to #1474) (#1475) Top

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    debmohanty posted @ 2010-09-05 5:51 AM

    David McNeill - 2010-09-05 5:26 AM
    I submitted the answer in a slightly wrong format for Number Pyramid but I think I solved the puzzle correctly. Can you check it for me?
    done. added 30 points to your score.
    @ 2010-09-05 5:52 AM (#1476 - in reply to #1403) (#1476) Top

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    David McNeill posted @ 2010-09-05 5:52 AM

    Thanks Deb. I'll say more about the puzzles later.

    David McNeill.
    @ 2010-09-05 11:40 AM (#1477 - in reply to #1403) (#1477) Top

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    davep posted @ 2010-09-05 11:40 AM

    Deb -- My compliments once again - despite a rather sluggish performance, I really enjoyed the puzzles and the format. As always, looking forward to the next one!Best regards, Dave
    @ 2010-09-05 12:21 PM (#1478 - in reply to #1477) (#1478) Top

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    debmohanty posted @ 2010-09-05 12:21 PM

    davep - 2010-09-05 11:40 AM

    Deb -- My compliments once again - despite a rather sluggish performance, I really enjoyed the puzzles and the format. As always, looking forward to the next one!Best regards, Dave
    Thanks Dave. We hope to continue improving with each test.
    @ 2010-09-05 1:42 PM (#1479 - in reply to #1403) (#1479) Top

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    Ziti posted @ 2010-09-05 1:42 PM

    Pleasant as always! I believe the answer submission was the only weakness here -- it was of course a fair answer submission but required an unfortunate amount of attention in some cases, and even then mistakes could still be made. But that is what happens with internet tests, and it did not detract from the overall enjoyment. Good work, thank you Deb.
    @ 2010-09-05 3:40 PM (#1480 - in reply to #1479) (#1480) Top

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    debmohanty posted @ 2010-09-05 3:40 PM

    Ziti - 2010-09-05 1:42 PM

    Pleasant as always! I believe the answer submission was the only weakness here -- it was of course a fair answer submission but required an unfortunate amount of attention in some cases, and even then mistakes could still be made. But that is what happens with internet tests, and it did not detract from the overall enjoyment. Good work, thank you Deb.
    I agree with you. After some 'guessable' answer keys in BP, I re-did some of the answer keys for this test, and in that process some answer keys became much longer than probably needed, and hence error-prone.
    But yes, as you mentioned, it is very important to strike a balance in the answer keys - between being guessable and too-lengthy/error-prone.
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