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@ 2013-07-21 5:08 PM (#11839 - in reply to #11838) (#11839) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2013-07-21 5:08 PM

rakesh_rai - 2013-07-21 4:50 PM

Delhi Top 4
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1. Sagar Ramachandran
2. Akash Doulani
3. Himani Shah Modi
4. Dileep Singh


Congrats to the winners. Two newcomers, and one of them ended up winning the round, that's pleasantly surprising. I suppose Ritesh couldn't find the time to make it to the rounds this year? Wonder what the timings are of these 4.
@ 2013-07-21 5:09 PM (#11840 - in reply to #11711) (#11840) Top

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rajeshk posted @ 2013-07-21 5:09 PM

Congrats to Delhi winners. Just wondering where is Ritesh? Has he participated?
@ 2013-07-21 5:12 PM (#11841 - in reply to #11711) (#11841) Top

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purifire posted @ 2013-07-21 5:12 PM

Congrats to the winners. ritesh had his exams at IIML
@ 2013-07-21 5:52 PM (#11842 - in reply to #11711) (#11842) Top

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MrinaalMittal posted @ 2013-07-21 5:52 PM

Congrats to the winners, it was a great event, but I would like to ask if it is possible to receive a participation certificate for qualifying to the second round as it would help me get admission to one of the Ivy Leagues as I am in class 11.
I submitted my second round paper 2 minutes before the time allotted so it would really make a great difference if I could get a certificate for the same. It is my earnest request for you to look into the matter with utmost seriousness and inform me regarding the same.

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Mrinaal Mittal
Email id- mrinal_mittal21@yahoo.co.in
@ 2013-07-21 7:09 PM (#11844 - in reply to #11711) (#11844) Top

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neerajmehrotra posted @ 2013-07-21 7:09 PM

Congrats to all the winners
@ 2013-07-21 7:12 PM (#11845 - in reply to #11844) (#11845) Top

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rvarun posted @ 2013-07-21 7:12 PM

Congrats winners.. :-)
@ 2013-07-21 8:47 PM (#11847 - in reply to #11711) (#11847) Top

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ssandy posted @ 2013-07-21 8:47 PM

congrats to all the winners
@ 2013-07-22 6:35 AM (#11849 - in reply to #11838) (#11849) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2013-07-22 6:35 AM

rakesh_rai - 2013-07-21 4:50 PM

Delhi Top 4
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1. Sagar Ramachandran
2. Akash Doulani
3. Himani Shah Modi
4. Dileep Singh




From left : Himani, Sagar, Akash, Dileep


@ 2013-07-22 9:10 AM (#11850 - in reply to #11849) (#11850) Top

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svmanisundaram posted @ 2013-07-22 9:10 AM

when will the results of chennai round be published
@ 2013-07-22 9:22 AM (#11851 - in reply to #11850) (#11851) Top

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lenson posted @ 2013-07-22 9:22 AM

svmanisundaram, here you go:
rvarun - 2013-07-20 5:21 PM

A great Congrats chennai round winners..

1. Rishi Puri
2. Ezhilarasi
3. Kishore kumar
3. Jaipal Reddy


kishy72 - 2013-07-21 8:44 AM

It was an enjoyable yesterday at the event for me and 2 of my other friends.Sudokus were of a very good quality and it was nice solving all of them.I also got to speak a little with some of the bigwigs in Indian sudoku who otherwise came out as very humble and soft spoken to me .
Here's the article in Times of India,Chennai edition.They have made a mistake though(not the first time i think :)?!).I was joint third and not the second to complete .

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?Fro...


Edited by lenson 2013-07-22 9:25 AM
@ 2013-07-22 10:09 AM (#11852 - in reply to #11711) (#11852) Top

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svmanisundaram posted @ 2013-07-22 10:09 AM

i was told that the list of completed contestants will be published in this site. when will that happen
@ 2013-07-22 10:13 AM (#11853 - in reply to #11852) (#11853) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2013-07-22 10:13 AM

Mani: The complete results should be published later today.
@ 2013-07-22 10:35 AM (#11854 - in reply to #11711) (#11854) Top

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svmanisundaram posted @ 2013-07-22 10:35 AM

thanks rakesh. just wanted to know where i stood
@ 2013-07-22 2:30 PM (#11855 - in reply to #11854) (#11855) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2013-07-22 2:30 PM

svmanisundaram - 2013-07-22 10:35 AM

thanks rakesh. just wanted to know where i stood

The complete results for Chennai finals are now posted at http://logicmastersindia.com/2013/TSC/ .Twelve participants finished all sudokus.
@ 2013-07-22 5:33 PM (#11859 - in reply to #11711) (#11859) Top

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rajeshk posted @ 2013-07-22 5:33 PM

Thanks Rakesh for the results. Nice to see so many people completing the test.
Chennai results brings one more point in my mind that in case if the Top player (Rishi in this case) make a single mistake he is immediately pushed to 12th rank. Same thing happened last year when Prasanna and Tejal missed being part of finals. I think this we can improve for next year to include more puzzles or decrease time, so that best player is barely able to solve everything in time which is the format being used for IPC every year. This will make sure that strongest players are not penalized so much for making very small mistake.

Edited by rajeshk 2013-07-22 5:34 PM
@ 2013-07-22 5:41 PM (#11860 - in reply to #11711) (#11860) Top

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purifire posted @ 2013-07-22 5:41 PM

I dont agree Rajesh. the contest is as much about speed as it is about accuracy. top player or not
@ 2013-07-22 5:43 PM (#11861 - in reply to #11859) (#11861) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2013-07-22 5:43 PM

rajeshk - 2013-07-22 5:33 PM

Thanks Rakesh for the results. Nice to see so many people completing the test.
Chennai results brings one more point in my mind that in case if the Top player (Rishi in this case) make a single mistake he is immediately pushed to 12th rank. Same thing happened last year when Prasanna and Tejal missed being part of finals. I think this we can improve for next year to include more puzzles or decrease time, so that best player is barely able to solve everything in time which is the format being used for IPC every year. This will make sure that strongest players are not penalized so much for making very small mistake.
We can debate endlessly (and aimlessly) about every format that is put together. It is really easy for us to double the number of puzzles or halve the time, but lot of thoughts have gone into why the round is structured this way. I can't put in the details here.

Given that there is ample time for TOP players to finish the round, they must double / triple check their papers before submitting. And even after double/triple checking, if they still make mistakes, I am not sure if they were the best players in the contest.
@ 2013-07-22 5:44 PM (#11862 - in reply to #11859) (#11862) Top

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amitsowani posted @ 2013-07-22 5:44 PM

rajeshk - 2013-07-22 5:33 PM

Thanks Rakesh for the results. Nice to see so many people completing the test.
Chennai results brings one more point in my mind that in case if the Top player (Rishi in this case) make a single mistake he is immediately pushed to 12th rank. Same thing happened last year when Prasanna and Tejal missed being part of finals. I think this we can improve for next year to include more puzzles or decrease time, so that best player is barely able to solve everything in time which is the format being used for IPC every year. This will make sure that strongest players are not penalized so much for making very small mistake.


Does the top solver not have more time to check and submit?
Last year we had two rounds, so it could be argued that participants would not know how well the other participants could do in the next round.
But as there is only one round, participants better check for accuracy before submitting as Rishi pointed out
@ 2013-07-22 7:07 PM (#11864 - in reply to #11711) (#11864) Top

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Renga posted @ 2013-07-22 7:07 PM

Thanks Rakesh for the results. Well, I feel I could have done far better, had I known about this blog and the hints (Logics) to solve difficult clues. It was amazing to see youngsters finishing in less than half the time. This competition has given me a rejuvenated interest in Sudoku and looking forward to better performance in the next year TOI competition.
@ 2013-07-22 7:30 PM (#11865 - in reply to #11864) (#11865) Top

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rakesh_rai posted @ 2013-07-22 7:30 PM

Renga - 2013-07-22 7:07 PM

Thanks Rakesh for the results. Well, I feel I could have done far better, had I known about this blog and the hints (Logics) to solve difficult clues. It was amazing to see youngsters finishing in less than half the time. This competition has given me a rejuvenated interest in Sudoku and looking forward to better performance in the next year TOI competition.
Thanks for your post. Really happy to read your comments. Please keep an eye on this forum as there are regular sudoku competitions which will help you keep abreast with multiple sudoku variants on an ongoing basis.
@ 2013-07-23 12:52 PM (#11867 - in reply to #11711) (#11867) Top

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manuj posted @ 2013-07-23 12:52 PM

I have to agree with Rajesh that there is a flaw in the system, that if even a single mistake is made, it causes one to fall majorly through the ranks. I guess last year's method was better since even if a mistake was made in 1 round, it did not affect much on the ranks (since Tejal, Prasanna and me were still in the top 10 despite making minor mistakes). Also, that, if 6 or 7 people have finished their puzzles, it demoralizes other people to finish since they know that the top 4 will mostly be from amongst them. Last year one did not know where they stood and it kept the excitement and the competitive spirit alive. But i guess Deb and Amit are also right on their part that the best should recheck if they have the time.
@ 2013-07-23 1:55 PM (#11868 - in reply to #11859) (#11868) Top

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lenson posted @ 2013-07-23 1:55 PM

rajeshk - 2013-07-22 5:33 PM

I think this we can improve for next year to include more puzzles or decrease time, so that best player is barely able to solve everything in time which is the format being used for IPC every year. This will make sure that strongest players are not penalized so much for making very small mistake.


Including more puzzles sounds like a good idea, but I am not in favour of decreasing time. I feel the submission times are already short. Scores get bunched together very easily because of that, and it becomes harder to pick the top 4. There was a 3-way tie for the 4th place last year in Chennai, and a tie-breaker round was needed to identify the 4th qualifier.

But yes, we could end up debating this endlessly. What we have now seems to be working just fine.
@ 2013-07-23 3:40 PM (#11870 - in reply to #11711) (#11870) Top

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purifire posted @ 2013-07-23 3:40 PM

why does everyone want to make mistakes and yet qualify? Everyone talks about top players. how do u define a top player? is speed solving or knowledge of different variants enough to qualify as a top player isnt accuracy important too. In my opinion all three are needed to make someone a top player. Let us learn ti blame ourselves for not qualifying instead of blaming a system
@ 2013-07-23 6:06 PM (#11871 - in reply to #11711) (#11871) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2013-07-23 6:06 PM

As someone who's been mentioned in previous posts, I think I should address what happened last year, at least to me. Firstly, last year, Rohan, Tejal, Gaurav and me, among many other good players, were competing for 4 spots. That greatly influences the thinking that one can check their solutions, and I hesitated to check much because of the competition around. Of course, there could be unknowns challenging for the spots too, but "known" contenders will obviously influence your thinking as a competitor more. But this is nothing to blame the organizers on.

Its difficult to settle on the ideal format. There are other factors too, like attracting newcomers, and having a format enjoyable for everyone and not just the winners. I can understand that, and since the format is the same for everyone, its fine with me. Whether or not I qualify this time, I prefer this year's format to last year's mainly because there's more choices to move on to in-case you get stuck in one Sudoku.

On a side note though (consider it a discussion for future years more than anything), I fully agree that accuracy is part of solving too, but it's still a point worth discussing if standings are a bit too dependent on accuracy vs solving prowess. For instance, imagine if the recent IPC had just 8 easy puzzles that everyone could solve. The IPC as it was had 26 puzzles, out of which I solved 25 correctly and made one mistake. Allowing accuracy to be a factor, if I had made many mistakes, then that strikes out all the good solving I did and I'd have fallen in the rankings. The keyword here is "many". If making one mistake cancels your good solving, then accuracy might be taking a bit too much priority in my opinion.
@ 2013-07-23 6:20 PM (#11872 - in reply to #11711) (#11872) Top

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purifire posted @ 2013-07-23 6:20 PM

we need to look how the event is being conducted. IPC is an online event where solving prowess is combined with accuracy. When you look at Times Sudoku Championship we need to understand that thousands of normal people attend. now if u keep a max of 20 'top players' then what about the rest. the regional round serves as an elimination round and at the same time it gives some degree of satisfaction to the aam janta. These events are not just about us few solvers but also abt each and ecery sudoku enthusiast thats comes out to have fun.

Edited by purifire 2013-07-23 6:21 PM
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