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@ 2013-04-20 1:52 AM (#10676 - in reply to #10489) (#10676) Top

Para



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Para posted @ 2013-04-20 1:52 AM

Is the last post important, as I'm not allowed to read it except for the words "You can".
@ 2013-04-20 5:37 AM (#10678 - in reply to #10676) (#10678) Top

Administrator



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Administrator posted @ 2013-04-20 5:37 AM

Para - 2013-04-20 1:52 AM

Is the last post important, as I'm not allowed to read it except for the words "You can".
It is just a test message.
@ 2013-04-20 5:37 AM (#10679 - in reply to #10489) (#10679) Top

Administrator



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Administrator posted @ 2013-04-20 5:37 AM

WPF Sudoku Grand Prix — Serbian Round has started. Good luck to all.


@ 2013-04-20 7:40 AM (#10680 - in reply to #10661) (#10680) Top

Cyclone



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Cyclone posted @ 2013-04-20 7:40 AM

Now here is the sudoku from the instruction booklet, with the solution next to it. You can see the rule being applied for each of the given digits in the left grid.


There is an error in the example. There is a 3 where there should be a 4 in the puzzle. I came upon this error when, in the first two columns, there was no 4. Therefore, because no 4 could be entered legally in the first column, the demo has no valid solution. This is confirmed with five 4s and seven 3s in the puzzle layout.

Additionally, I find it hilarious that my own posts are restricted from my view during the test. LMAO

Cyclone


Edited by Cyclone 2013-04-20 7:42 AM
@ 2013-04-20 7:47 AM (#10681 - in reply to #10680) (#10681) Top

debmohanty




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debmohanty posted @ 2013-04-20 7:47 AM

Cyclone - 2013-04-20 7:40 AM

Additionally, I find it hilarious that my own posts are restricted from my view during the test. LMAO

I find it more hilarious that you still didn't understand the rule.
@ 2013-04-20 7:50 AM (#10682 - in reply to #10489) (#10682) Top

Gotroch



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Gotroch posted @ 2013-04-20 7:50 AM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? A bit too many puzzles
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2013-04-20 8:17 AM (#10683 - in reply to #10489) (#10683) Top

Gotroch



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Gotroch posted @ 2013-04-20 8:17 AM

Very nice tennis theme through all puzzles.
It will be interesting to watch results if someone will solve all puzzles in time limit, because this time it will be difficult quest I think.
Little Killer got me, I spent a lot of time there and couldn't solve it, but I had to try for that massive 157 points.
Almost same happened with Movable digits, but luckilly I solved it. And it was my favourite puzzle from the set (together with Frameless).

Thanks for great test!
@ 2013-04-20 8:55 AM (#10684 - in reply to #10489) (#10684) Top

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spelvin posted @ 2013-04-20 8:55 AM

I'm embarrassed that I missed so many of the tennis references during the test... after time ran out I asked my fiancee (who also competed) what she made of the recurring 15-30-40 and then everything clicked and I started to notice the theme in puzzle after puzzle...

Like Gotroch, I gambled on the Little Killer, but for me it paid off. Looking forward to solving the ones I skipped at a leisurely pace. My compliments to the chef!
@ 2013-04-20 3:40 PM (#10685 - in reply to #10489) (#10685) Top

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TiiT posted @ 2013-04-20 3:40 PM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2013-04-20 6:00 PM (#10686 - in reply to #10489) (#10686) Top

Caca_CZ



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Caca_CZ posted @ 2013-04-20 6:00 PM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2013-04-20 7:11 PM (#10687 - in reply to #10489) (#10687) Top

Joo M.Y



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Joo M.Y posted @ 2013-04-20 7:11 PM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2013-04-20 7:57 PM (#10688 - in reply to #10489) (#10688) Top

An LMI player



An LMI player posted @ 2013-04-20 7:57 PM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Way too many puzzles (too little time)
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? All puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2013-04-20 8:12 PM (#10689 - in reply to #10489) (#10689) Top

spelvin



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spelvin posted @ 2013-04-20 8:12 PM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? A bit skewed
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? A bit too many puzzles
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2013-04-20 8:54 PM (#10690 - in reply to #10680) (#10690) Top

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Ours brun posted @ 2013-04-20 8:54 PM

Cyclone - 2013-04-20 3:40 AM

There is an error in the example. There is a 3 where there should be a 4 in the puzzle. I came upon this error when, in the first two columns, there was no 4. Therefore, because no 4 could be entered legally in the first column, the demo has no valid solution. This is confirmed with five 4s and seven 3s in the puzzle layout.

No, there is not. This was explained in a very concise and clear way a few messages ago. See in particular this sentence, which seems limpid to me:

Para - 2013-04-04 7:44 AM

This doesn't mean that every cell must be one of its given neighbours [...]

All digits which are given have to be in the final grid, but two given digits can correspond to the same definitive one; and a definitive digit does not necessarily have to correspond to a given one, since this is nowhere mentioned in the rules. The puzzle is perfectly valid, the explanations are just fine, the only problem here is the attitude you are showing despite the fact that you are wrong. So please learn to be slightly less arrogant and at the least, try to be respectful of the benevolent work of people who spend countless hours trying to help other players.
@ 2013-04-20 11:06 PM (#10694 - in reply to #10489) (#10694) Top

An LMI player



An LMI player posted @ 2013-04-20 11:06 PM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? All puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2013-04-20 11:11 PM (#10695 - in reply to #10489) (#10695) Top

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xevs posted @ 2013-04-20 11:11 PM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? A bit hard
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? A bit too many puzzles
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? All puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2013-04-21 1:20 AM (#10696 - in reply to #10489) (#10696) Top

Mahyar




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Mahyar posted @ 2013-04-21 1:20 AM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2013-04-21 2:08 AM (#10697 - in reply to #10489) (#10697) Top

distri




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distri posted @ 2013-04-21 2:08 AM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? A bit hard
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2013-04-21 3:39 AM (#10698 - in reply to #10489) (#10698) Top

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Nilz posted @ 2013-04-21 3:39 AM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? All puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


Really nice test- loved the fact that it had a theme running through some of the puzzles- that was unexpected, so it was a nice touch.
I would've enjoyed the test more if it was about 3 seconds longer, since then I would've submitted the moving digits one (and I'm not exaggerating). But a nice test anyway!
@ 2013-04-21 7:11 AM (#10699 - in reply to #10489) (#10699) Top

munna



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munna posted @ 2013-04-21 7:11 AM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? A bit hard
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? A bit too many puzzles
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Too few pages / too small grids


@ 2013-04-21 7:39 AM (#10700 - in reply to #10489) (#10700) Top

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Eykir posted @ 2013-04-21 7:39 AM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? A bit hard
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? A bit too many puzzles
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2013-04-21 8:41 AM (#10701 - in reply to #10489) (#10701) Top

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tamz29 posted @ 2013-04-21 8:41 AM

The puzzles were excellent.

However, I thought the Shape Sudoku diagrams could be made clearer.
We didn't know if there were 4 pieces or 20 pieces, or how the pieces were meant to layout exactly. The moulding isn't very clear.
A lot of us can infer that the 4 pieces were meant to overlap at the centre but this isn't fair for newcomers unfamiliar with the variant.
Perhaps, an intact giant piece would've done the job.

The same is said with the Renban. Is the top of the A the same group as the rest of the A?
We know that a one-shaded cell in a Renban is redundant, so was it shaded merely to form the A of the ATP theme?

Edited by tamz29 2013-04-21 8:42 AM
@ 2013-04-21 8:56 AM (#10702 - in reply to #10701) (#10702) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2013-04-21 8:56 AM

tamz29 - 2013-04-21 8:41 AM

However, I thought the Shape Sudoku diagrams could be made clearer.
We didn't know if there were 4 pieces or 20 pieces, or how the pieces were meant to layout exactly. The moulding isn't very clear.
A lot of us can infer that the 4 pieces were meant to overlap at the centre but this isn't fair for newcomers unfamiliar with the variant.
Perhaps, an intact giant piece would've done the job.

The same is said with the Renban. Is the top of the A the same group as the rest of the A?
We know that a one-shaded cell in a Renban is redundant, so was it shaded merely to form the A of the ATP theme?
I would let Branko / other authors to have final say, but it looks like you missed some rules.
1. Shape Sudoku - It was mentioned in IB that "Shapes partially overlap in competition puzzle."
2. Renban - "Is the top of the A the same group as the rest of the A? " : Yes, it is. Renban Groups can be connected to each other either by sharing edges or corners. (Just like Extra Regions in Extra Region Sudoku)
@ 2013-04-21 11:09 AM (#10703 - in reply to #10701) (#10703) Top

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skywalker posted @ 2013-04-21 11:09 AM

tamz29 - 2013-04-21 8:41 AM

The puzzles were excellent.

However, I thought the Shape Sudoku diagrams could be made clearer.
We didn't know if there were 4 pieces or 20 pieces, or how the pieces were meant to layout exactly. The moulding isn't very clear.
A lot of us can infer that the 4 pieces were meant to overlap at the centre but this isn't fair for newcomers unfamiliar with the variant.
Perhaps, an intact giant piece would've done the job.

The same is said with the Renban. Is the top of the A the same group as the rest of the A?
We know that a one-shaded cell in a Renban is redundant, so was it shaded merely to form the A of the ATP theme?


Shape: We discussed a lot about this sudoku before competition and we decided to put sentence about overlapping and to hope that players wouldn't miss theme of contest. We wanted to make little surprise with this sudoku, nothing more.

Renban: For this sudoku, I don't have to add anything more. Deb answer is complete.

Branko
@ 2013-04-21 11:56 AM (#10704 - in reply to #10489) (#10704) Top

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rajeshk posted @ 2013-04-21 11:56 AM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? A bit too many puzzles
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? All puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


Loved this test.
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