@ 2013-02-09 4:17 PM (#9812 - in reply to #9566) (#9812) TopPosts: 139
Country : Estonia
TiiT posted @ 2013-02-09 4:17 PM
It was brilliant test until I got to Odd Even Big Small. I mean, why are you not describing the puzzle in a booklet? I still don't know, how to solve it. Do you except us to find out which symbol is which? Or is there other classification for these symbols? That is different puzzle as in booklet! You should have said in instructions_booklet that you must figure the symbols out by yourselves or describe the other symbols. I think that the one puzzle ruined the beautiful test - everything else was nice.
@ 2013-02-09 6:57 PM (#9813 - in reply to #9566) (#9813) TopAn LMI player
An LMI player posted @ 2013-02-09 6:57 PM
| How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | |
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | A bit hard | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Fairly Nice | |
| How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Just right | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? | Many puzzles were worth too much or too little | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right |
@ 2013-02-09 9:30 PM (#9815 - in reply to #9566) (#9815) TopAn LMI player
An LMI player posted @ 2013-02-09 9:30 PM
| How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | |
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
| How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Way too many puzzles (too little time) | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? | All puzzles were worth the right amount | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right |
@ 2013-02-09 9:52 PM (#9816 - in reply to #9566) (#9816) TopPosts: 9
Country : Finland
UllaE posted @ 2013-02-09 9:52 PM
I agree with Tiit that I would have liked to practice the same type of Odd Even Big Small before the competition. As such, at least I didn't have the capability to figure out how to go around solving it. IMHO, the whole point of publishing the instruction booklets in good time ahead of the competition is to give time to solvers to practice the correct types and their solving techniques, so that the time used for solving during the competition actually measures the solving capabilities and not that how fast can one read and understand the rules.
Otherwise, I also enjoyed the competition a lot. Thank you!
Otherwise, I also enjoyed the competition a lot. Thank you!
@ 2013-02-09 10:04 PM (#9817 - in reply to #9566) (#9817) TopAn LMI player
An LMI player posted @ 2013-02-09 10:04 PM
| How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | |
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Too many hard puzzles | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Average | |
| How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | A bit too many puzzles | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? | Many puzzles were worth too much or too little | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right |
@ 2013-02-09 10:44 PM (#9818 - in reply to #9566) (#9818) TopPosts: 25
Country : United States
cnarrikkattu posted @ 2013-02-09 10:44 PM
The surprise in Odd Even Big Small evokes memories of the 2004 USPC Corral puzzle, where the instructions were subtly different, which allowed for the surprise of a hex grid rather than the standard rectangular grid. In retrospect, nothing said that you would be able to know right away which symbol corresponds to which property.
I personally liked the surprise, giving a fresh take on a well-known variant.
I personally liked the surprise, giving a fresh take on a well-known variant.
@ 2013-02-09 10:45 PM (#9819 - in reply to #9566) (#9819) TopPosts: 25
Country : United States
cnarrikkattu posted @ 2013-02-09 10:45 PM
| How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | |
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | A bit hard | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
| How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | A bit too many puzzles | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right |
@ 2013-02-09 10:54 PM (#9820 - in reply to #9566) (#9820) TopPosts: 11
Country : Canada
standupcanada posted @ 2013-02-09 10:54 PM
| How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | |
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | A bit hard | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Fairly Nice | |
| How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | A bit too many puzzles | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right |
@ 2013-02-09 11:01 PM (#9821 - in reply to #9566) (#9821) TopAn LMI player
An LMI player posted @ 2013-02-09 11:01 PM
| How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | |
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | A bit hard | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
| How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Just right | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right |
@ 2013-02-09 11:14 PM (#9822 - in reply to #9812) (#9822) TopPosts: 103
Country : Serbia
Nikola posted @ 2013-02-09 11:14 PM
TiiT - 2013-02-09 4:17 PM
It was brilliant test until I got to Odd Even Big Small. I mean, why are you not describing the puzzle in a booklet? I still don't know, how to solve it. Do you except us to find out which symbol is which? Or is there other classification for these symbols? That is different puzzle as in booklet! You should have said in instructions_booklet that you must figure the symbols out by yourselves or describe the other symbols. I think that the one puzzle ruined the beautiful test - everything else was nice.
It was brilliant test until I got to Odd Even Big Small. I mean, why are you not describing the puzzle in a booklet? I still don't know, how to solve it. Do you except us to find out which symbol is which? Or is there other classification for these symbols? That is different puzzle as in booklet! You should have said in instructions_booklet that you must figure the symbols out by yourselves or describe the other symbols. I think that the one puzzle ruined the beautiful test - everything else was nice.
Yes, that was unexpected surprise but if you read the instructions carefully, there is nothing mysterious. Rules are the same in IB and PB. I agree that we should think little more than usually.
I always remember 1st WSC in Lucca when I was angry because of "undefined" rules. There was one product killer sudoku with central cell divided in four cages. After that I realized that sudoku is a wonderful mind game. My understanding of sudoku today is not limited to simply fill the numbers like a machine.
Many excellent puzzles. Thanks Deb!
Nikola
@ 2013-02-09 11:17 PM (#9823 - in reply to #9566) (#9823) TopAn LMI player
An LMI player posted @ 2013-02-09 11:17 PM
| How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | |
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Fairly Nice | |
| How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | A bit too many puzzles | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right |
@ 2013-02-09 11:47 PM (#9824 - in reply to #9566) (#9824) TopAn LMI player
An LMI player posted @ 2013-02-09 11:47 PM
| How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | |
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Too many hard puzzles | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Below Average | |
| How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Way too many puzzles (too little time) | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right |
I was unable to solve the puzzles in logical steps. No easy or medium puzzles. No puzzles for non-experienced players.
@ 2013-02-10 12:02 AM (#9825 - in reply to #9824) (#9825) Top
Country : India
debmohanty posted @ 2013-02-10 12:02 AM
An LMI player - 2013-02-09 11:47 PM
I was unable to solve the puzzles in logical steps. No easy or medium puzzles. No puzzles for non-experienced players.
Please post any specific puzzle that you need help in finding logical steps.I was unable to solve the puzzles in logical steps. No easy or medium puzzles. No puzzles for non-experienced players.
@ 2013-02-10 1:29 AM (#9826 - in reply to #9566) (#9826) TopPosts: 43
Country : Japan
xevs posted @ 2013-02-10 1:29 AM
| How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | |
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | A bit hard | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Fairly Nice | |
| How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | A bit too many puzzles | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right |
@ 2013-02-10 2:17 AM (#9827 - in reply to #9818) (#9827) TopPosts: 199
Country : United States
motris posted @ 2013-02-10 2:17 AM
cnarrikkattu - 2013-02-09 9:44 AM
The surprise in Odd Even Big Small evokes memories of the 2004 USPC Corral puzzle, where the instructions were subtly different, which allowed for the surprise of a hex grid rather than the standard rectangular grid. In retrospect, nothing said that you would be able to know right away which symbol corresponds to which property.
I personally liked the surprise, giving a fresh take on a well-known variant.
The surprise in Odd Even Big Small evokes memories of the 2004 USPC Corral puzzle, where the instructions were subtly different, which allowed for the surprise of a hex grid rather than the standard rectangular grid. In retrospect, nothing said that you would be able to know right away which symbol corresponds to which property.
I personally liked the surprise, giving a fresh take on a well-known variant.
The 2004 USPC Corral used the same instructions before and after the test. That the word "cell" and not "square" was used meant the constructor had flexibility to be creative. The OEBS puzzle here follows the same mold, and as a tester I was not thrown for a second with what to do.
Surprise puzzles are always an interest consideration for competitions. The Sudoku Cup has consistently had one, with no instructions shown to competitors in advance. It takes great care to do this right. And some solvers, during the stress of competition, will be too focused on thinking one way to be able to see anything else.
@ 2013-02-10 2:52 AM (#9828 - in reply to #9566) (#9828) TopAn LMI player
An LMI player posted @ 2013-02-10 2:52 AM
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right |
@ 2013-02-10 2:54 AM (#9829 - in reply to #9566) (#9829) TopPosts: 1
Country : Czech Republic
Hana posted @ 2013-02-10 2:54 AM
| How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | |
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Too many hard puzzles | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Fairly Nice | |
| How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Way too many puzzles (too little time) | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? | All puzzles were worth the right amount | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right |
@ 2013-02-10 3:05 AM (#9830 - in reply to #9566) (#9830) TopAn LMI player
An LMI player posted @ 2013-02-10 3:05 AM
| How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | |
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
| How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Just right | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right |
@ 2013-02-10 3:40 AM (#9831 - in reply to #9566) (#9831) TopAn LMI player
An LMI player posted @ 2013-02-10 3:40 AM
| How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | |
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | A bit hard | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
| How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | A bit too many puzzles | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? | Many puzzles were worth too much or too little | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | I have a different complaint |
In the booklet the symbols for odd/even/big/small were missing, so I had to skip the Odd Even Big Small Sudoku.
@ 2013-02-10 3:42 AM (#9832 - in reply to #9566) (#9832) TopAn LMI player
An LMI player posted @ 2013-02-10 3:42 AM
| How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | |
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | A bit hard | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
| How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Just right |
@ 2013-02-10 4:35 AM (#9833 - in reply to #9566) (#9833) TopPosts: 1
Country : ITALY
yuma posted @ 2013-02-10 4:35 AM
| How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | |
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | A bit hard | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Fairly Nice |
@ 2013-02-10 8:01 AM (#9838 - in reply to #9812) (#9838) TopPosts: 315
Country : The Netherlands
Para posted @ 2013-02-10 8:01 AM
TiiT - 2013-02-09 4:17 PM
It was brilliant test until I got to Odd Even Big Small. I mean, why are you not describing the puzzle in a booklet? I still don't know, how to solve it. Do you except us to find out which symbol is which? Or is there other classification for these symbols? That is different puzzle as in booklet! You should have said in instructions_booklet that you must figure the symbols out by yourselves or describe the other symbols. I think that the one puzzle ruined the beautiful test - everything else was nice.
It was brilliant test until I got to Odd Even Big Small. I mean, why are you not describing the puzzle in a booklet? I still don't know, how to solve it. Do you except us to find out which symbol is which? Or is there other classification for these symbols? That is different puzzle as in booklet! You should have said in instructions_booklet that you must figure the symbols out by yourselves or describe the other symbols. I think that the one puzzle ruined the beautiful test - everything else was nice.
I actually liked the Odd Even Big Small a lot in the test. I mean, I had to glance over the rules once again, but it was all logically determined which is which. Unexpected surprises are part of puzzling. The "evergreens" round in the 2011 WPC was also full of these unexpected surprises that still followed the rules as written. I always like to be made to think a bit differently.
@ 2013-02-10 8:30 AM (#9839 - in reply to #9566) (#9839) TopAn LMI player
An LMI player posted @ 2013-02-10 8:30 AM
| How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Fairly balanced | |
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | A bit hard | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
| How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Just right | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right |
@ 2013-02-10 11:37 AM (#9840 - in reply to #9566) (#9840) TopAn LMI player
An LMI player posted @ 2013-02-10 11:37 AM
| How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? | Perfectly balanced | |
| What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? | Just right | |
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
| How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | A bit too many puzzles | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? | Most puzzles were worth the right amount | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | Just right |
@ 2013-02-10 12:03 PM (#9841 - in reply to #9566) (#9841) TopPosts: 3
Country : United States
ajselep posted @ 2013-02-10 12:03 PM
| What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? | Very nice | |
| How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? | Way too many puzzles (too little time) | |
| Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? | All puzzles were worth the right amount | |
| What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? | I have a different complaint |
IB was good but would appreciate having puxxles same grid size as those which would appear in actual test.
Am new to testing and many of the puzzles are new to me - and I have little experience with them.