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@ 2013-06-25 5:47 AM (#11364 - in reply to #11179) (#11364) Top

standupcanada



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standupcanada posted @ 2013-06-25 5:47 AM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? I have a different complaint


Personally loved it (except for the hard to read numbers on the early grids) though I can't argue with those who felt it was as much puzzle as sudoku.
@ 2013-06-25 7:56 AM (#11365 - in reply to #11359) (#11365) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2013-06-25 7:56 AM

yureklis - 2013-06-25 1:53 AM

Overall, in this test, there were many features that were deliberately put in order to deform the usual structure. I suppose too many of them came together and that caused so many reactions. Maybe we should not put them altogether, we're sorry for that.

Serkan


I agree with this point mainly. Each twist on its own would've been only a "little twist" that some liked and some didn't while all together, there was some different thing each individual didn't like which stayed in mind even if they liked the rest. You gave the WSC example, and the point value there was very less compared to the rest of the WSC.

I also agree with, and like the idea of enriching the Sudoku/Puzzle culture. Any new idea/innovative test will always be a risk once provided to the large audience, especially in a test-series trying to get new competitors in. So I respect the fact that you take these risks, and I can understand how bad it must feel when you take a risk and it's not well received. Once again, from my own perspective, thank you and the other authors for a fun test :)
@ 2013-06-25 8:29 AM (#11366 - in reply to #11179) (#11366) Top

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starmusic posted @ 2013-06-25 8:29 AM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? A bit skewed
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? A bit hard
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? A bit too many puzzles
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? I have a different complaint


Interesting test. I liked the logic/puzzling emphasis that gave it a fresh feel. I'll echo other commenters that a points summary would have been nice and the change in fonts was distracting.

I like the A or B puzzle type; this particular one was probably overrated for points.
I didn't get to the Bands or Blocks (#20 and #21) during the time limit but enjoyed both of them post test, particularly the Blocks.




@ 2013-06-25 8:34 AM (#11367 - in reply to #11179) (#11367) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2013-06-25 8:34 AM

GP7 is over. Password removed from Sudoku booklet. Here is the link to solution booklet.

The score page will be public in a while.
@ 2013-06-25 9:16 AM (#11368 - in reply to #11179) (#11368) Top

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joshuazucker posted @ 2013-06-25 9:16 AM

I hadn't realized the way to avoid the contradiction that I found during the test on the snapshot! So it's good that finally I learn this idea. I was too fixed in my thinking. That was a very clever twist. I agree with the commenter who suggested that having one twist like that in a test is a nice spice, but having many such twists may just overload us, especially if we're expecting zero twists going in.

I enjoyed the test, though I felt it was overall too hard/long. For me it felt unsatisfying to only solve 7 of 21 puzzles during the test, even if I did spend my time trying to solve the higher point value ones for the most part. I certainly look forward to spending some time on the remaining puzzles later! There is a lot of beauty to be found in these puzzles; none of them are boring, that's for sure!
@ 2013-06-25 9:32 AM (#11369 - in reply to #11179) (#11369) Top

BTroisi



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BTroisi posted @ 2013-06-25 9:32 AM

I enjoyed the puzzles tho' for many of the reasons mentioned above (as well as being sick), I got bogged down and did not submit any answers.
I did not figure out the snapshot puzzle trick (would not have considered that within the description) and have wasted way too much time on it in interim! Glad to learn what I did wrong. Will have to look again. Tho' if rotation is allowed, then that opens up so many more possibilities that I probably wouldn't even have attempted it during the test.
Did manage to solve most of the others by the end of the day.
Good job. Thanks for the effort
@ 2013-06-25 9:39 AM (#11370 - in reply to #11369) (#11370) Top

prasanna16391



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prasanna16391 posted @ 2013-06-25 9:39 AM

BTroisi - 2013-06-25 9:32 AM

Tho' if rotation is allowed, then that opens up so many more possibilities that I probably wouldn't even have attempted it during the test.



Actually, if I understand it correctly, the 6-9 snapshot is the only one that can be rotated because the numbers still stay valid upon rotation.
@ 2013-06-25 11:19 AM (#11371 - in reply to #11179) (#11371) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2013-06-25 11:19 AM

Results are now public.
@ 2013-06-26 1:44 AM (#11381 - in reply to #11179) (#11381) Top

timnteam



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timnteam posted @ 2013-06-26 1:44 AM

I do not like this snapshot twist at all. It was not mentioned that snapshots can be rotated. I spent much time to verify that something wrong in my logic and lost time. Those hidden tricks should not be allowed on that level of competion.

On another note, it will be nice to have standartized fonts.

Overall, the test was really nice. Thanks to authors and administrators.
@ 2013-06-26 3:27 AM (#11383 - in reply to #11179) (#11383) Top

bskbri



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bskbri posted @ 2013-06-26 3:27 AM

Congratulations to Hideaki, Daisuke and Bastien for having the top three positions.
The grand prix format let more solvers participate to online competitions. I am a loyal solver of them and this was my first one as an author. Thanks to Deb and LMI for the organization of the test, and also thanks to all participants of the test.
I would like to express my extra thanks to the nine solvers who solved the snapshot sudoku. I was sure that I will receive some bad comments for that sudoku. Serkan came with the idea of rotating of a snapshot with a single digit at a corner. I applied the idea using two digits, assuming this will make it much obvious. Apparently, it didn’t work as I expected. I hope this twist will not cause any discourage for sudoku solvers.
Salih
@ 2013-06-26 1:37 PM (#11387 - in reply to #11179) (#11387) Top

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An LMI player posted @ 2013-06-26 1:37 PM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? A bit skewed
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? A bit hard
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? A bit too many puzzles
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2013-06-26 2:03 PM (#11388 - in reply to #11179) (#11388) Top

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PuzzleScott posted @ 2013-06-26 2:03 PM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Very skewed
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? A bit hard
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? A bit too many puzzles
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? Many puzzles were worth too much or too little
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2013-06-28 8:23 AM (#11412 - in reply to #11179) (#11412) Top

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An LMI player posted @ 2013-06-28 8:23 AM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? A bit hard
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Way too many puzzles (too little time)


I have two main complaints. One being that there simply wasn't enough time to dig into these puzzles. I don't mind that they were hard and I quite enjoyed completing them after the contest was over. (Except for Snapshot Sudoku that either has an error in the setup of the puzzle or I just can't figure out how to do it.) My other complaint is that the example puzzles in the instruction booklet were often smaller puzzles than the puzzles presented in the contest. Since a lot of these puzzles were novel to me, I didn't get enough practice with the smaller versions to feel prepared for the full-size puzzles in the contest.
@ 2013-06-28 12:25 PM (#11413 - in reply to #11412) (#11413) Top

prasanna16391



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prasanna16391 posted @ 2013-06-28 12:25 PM

An LMI player - 2013-06-28 8:23 AM

(Except for Snapshot Sudoku that either has an error in the setup of the puzzle or I just can't figure out how to do it.)



See the earlier posts for discussion on this. :)

Also, Instruction booklets aren't given for the sake of practice but to understand the rules. For practice, if you are unsure of where to go for a particular type, just post on the topic before the test starts, and someone will give you some links.
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