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Riad Khanmagomedov
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Country : Russia | Para - 2018-04-03 7:00 PM
For 10. Does minimum mean the amount of digits or the sum of their values?
For 11. Can you place a black triangle in a given cell with a triangle to turn it into a fully black cell?
10. Minimize the sum by using fewer digits.
11. Yes. |
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Para
Posts: 315
Country : The Netherlands | Para posted @ 2018-04-03 7:36 PM Riad Khanmagomedov - 2018-04-03 7:21 PM
Para - 2018-04-03 7:00 PM
For 10. Does minimum mean the amount of digits or the sum of their values?
For 11. Can you place a black triangle in a given cell with a triangle to turn it into a fully black cell?
10. Minimize the sum by using fewer digits.
11. Yes.
Sorry, my bad for not clarifying well enough. I meant for when two solutions are tied for score. It says the minimum digits. Does this mean the solution with fewest digits used or the solution with the lowest sum of the digits used. |
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Country : India | Puzzle 10 - Minor changes
There are few changes suggested by the author. An updated PB shall be uploaded on April 4th.
Number Range
Numbers from 1 to 5 can be used in coloured cells. Four sets of numbers from 1 to 5 are available. 6 and 7 cannot be used.
Ranking Criteria
- Minimum Value of (A+2B+3C) wilI be used to rank solutions.
- If two solutions have the same value of (A+2B+3C), then the solution using minimum number of digits in coloured cells is considered better.
- If two solutions have the same value of (A+2B+3C) AND use the same number of digits in coloured cells, then the solution which has minimum sum of digits in coloured cells is considered better.
- If two solutions have the same value of (A+2B+3C) AND use the same number of digits in coloured cells AND have the same sum of digits in coloured cells, they will have the same rank.
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chaotic_iak
Posts: 241
Country : Indonesia | In 11 can the ball cross its own path? |
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ghirsch
Posts: 102
Country : United States | ghirsch posted @ 2018-04-04 12:11 PM In 12, is it a requirement to use all pentominoes (i.e. should K always be 8)? If not, should the formula be 2L - K?
Otherwise we are penalized for using more pentominoes, and clearly the more pentominoes, the harder it is to have few black cells. |
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Riad Khanmagomedov
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Country : Russia | chaotic_iak - 2018-04-04 9:20 AM
In 11 can the ball cross its own path?
No. |
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Riad Khanmagomedov
Posts: 234
Country : Russia | ghirsch - 2018-04-04 12:11 PM
In 12, is it a requirement to use all pentominoes (i.e. should K always be 8)? If not, should the formula be 2L - K?
Otherwise we are penalized for using more pentominoes, and clearly the more pentominoes, the harder it is to have few black cells.
K is not necessarily equal to 8. Minimize K + 2L. |
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Administrator
Country : India | Updated PB
An updated Puzzle Booklet is now available.
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ghirsch
Posts: 102
Country : United States | ghirsch posted @ 2018-04-05 7:31 AM Riad Khanmagomedov - 2018-04-03 2:31 PM
ghirsch - 2018-04-04 12:11 PM
In 12, is it a requirement to use all pentominoes (i.e. should K always be 8)? If not, should the formula be 2L - K?
Otherwise we are penalized for using more pentominoes, and clearly the more pentominoes, the harder it is to have few black cells.
K is not necessarily equal to 8. Minimize K + 2L.
Wouldn't the optimal thing trivially be to just use no pentominoes? You can make a loop through all the cells if they are all white, so K and L would both be 0.
I feel like I must be missing something. Edited by ghirsch 2018-04-05 7:32 AM
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chaotic_iak
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Country : Indonesia | I think the missing thing is that the solution to 12 must be unique. It should be added to the PB.
Edited by chaotic_iak 2018-04-05 7:38 AM
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chaotic_iak
Posts: 241
Country : Indonesia | More questions:
3: For the purposes of lawns, each diagonal segment is of the same length as horizontal/vertical segments? Also, can you go diagonally through a white cell, without any lawn next to you?
4: Can names repeat in the grid?
8: For the cells without slashes, the clues point to the longer direction (the direction with more than 1 cell)? Is it possible to make it more similar to Kakuro, so each square is slashed? |
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amitsowani
Posts: 349
Country : India | Riad Khanmagomedov - 2018-04-04 1:21 PM
chaotic_iak - 2018-04-04 9:20 AM
In 11 can the ball cross its own path?
No.
So this translates to - each half white and fully white cell needs to be visited exactly once?
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Riad Khanmagomedov
Posts: 234
Country : Russia | chaotic_iak - 2018-04-05 7:38 AM
I think the missing thing is that the solution to 12 must be unique. It should be added to the PB.
The loop must be unique! |
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Riad Khanmagomedov
Posts: 234
Country : Russia | chaotic_iak - 2018-04-05 7:49 AM
More questions:
3: For the purposes of lawns, each diagonal segment is of the same length as horizontal/vertical segments? Also, can you go diagonally through a white cell, without any lawn next to you?
4: Can names repeat in the grid?
8: For the cells without slashes, the clues point to the longer direction (the direction with more than 1 cell)? Is it possible to make it more similar to Kakuro, so each square is slashed?
3. Yes.
4. No.
8. Yes, to the longer direction. |
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Riad Khanmagomedov
Posts: 234
Country : Russia | amitsowani - 2018-04-05 9:56 AM
Riad Khanmagomedov - 2018-04-04 1:21 PM
chaotic_iak - 2018-04-04 9:20 AM
In 11 can the ball cross its own path?
No.
So this translates to - each half white and fully white cell needs to be visited exactly once?
The white cell can be crossed twice. The path should not overlap with itself. |
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rob
Posts: 170
Country : Germany | rob posted @ 2018-04-06 12:16 AM For the solution code to puzzle 3, would a diagonal of length 2 be counted as 2 (it's two unit diagonals) or as 0 (it's not a unit diagonal)? |
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bskbri
Posts: 34
Country : Turkey | bskbri posted @ 2018-04-06 3:57 AM 11. Rollball variation.
- The ball goes through the centres of all white half cells and all fully white cells. So does it go through all current white cells, or can some of white cells be completely blackened by adding triangles?
- "The ball can roll out of the grid or stay inside the grid" Does this sentence refer to the end of the route?
Edited by bskbri 2018-04-06 3:58 AM
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Riad Khanmagomedov
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Country : Russia | rob - 2018-04-06 12:16 AM
For the solution code to puzzle 3, would a diagonal of length 2 be counted as 2 (it's two unit diagonals) or as 0 (it's not a unit diagonal)?
The diagonal of length 2 is counted as 2. |
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Riad Khanmagomedov
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Country : Russia | bskbri - 2018-04-06 3:57 AM
11. Rollball variation.
- The ball goes through the centres of all white half cells and all fully white cells. So does it go through all current white cells, or can some of white cells be completely blackened by adding triangles?
- "The ball can roll out of the grid or stay inside the grid" Does this sentence refer to the end of the route?
1. First you need to blacken some cells. Then through all the remaining white cells and half cells draw the route.
2. Yes, the end of the route. |
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boboquack
Country : Australia | The answer format checker for Rollball Variation rejects lists of triangles which have (a) triangle(s) in column 10.
Edited by boboquack 2018-04-07 7:10 AM
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yureklis
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Country : Turkey | Riad Khanmagomedov - 2018-04-05 1:40 PM
amitsowani - 2018-04-05 9:56 AM
Riad Khanmagomedov - 2018-04-04 1:21 PM
chaotic_iak - 2018-04-04 9:20 AM
In 11 can the ball cross its own path?
No.
So this translates to - each half white and fully white cell needs to be visited exactly once?
The white cell can be crossed twice. The path should not overlap with itself.
I don’t get it, can the road cross itself or not? Because your first answer is “No”, and the second one is “Yes”. Did you mean that a horizontal road segment and a vertical road segment can cross on a fully white cell? Are we talking about the 2017 April’s Opti-Roll puzzle; the road act same in here about crossing? |
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Joe Average
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Country : Germany | Riad Khanmagomedov - 2018-04-03 3:21 PM
Para - 2018-04-03 7:00 PM
For 10. Does minimum mean the amount of digits or the sum of their values?
For 11. Can you place a black triangle in a given cell with a triangle to turn it into a fully black cell?
10. Minimize the sum by using fewer digits.
11. Yes.
Questions for 11:
Could one also place two triangles in an entirely white cell, turning it entirely black?
And if so, would you name the two trinagles as A and D or as B and ?
Also, in what order are the tringales to be given in the solution code? If it's in order of the path (as the example seems to imply ) then where/how would one put in the triangles creating a full black cell, as the path doesn't visit them ? Edited by Joe Average 2018-04-07 4:29 PM
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Country : India | Updated PB
An updated Puzzle Booklet is now available. The word "unique" is added to Puzzle #12
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deu
Posts: 69
Country : Japan | deu posted @ 2018-04-08 8:35 AM I'd like to know when this test will end.
PB mentions "not later than 24-00 (of Moscow time) April 11 2018", but the timer in the submission page indicates 24 hours before that. |
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Riad Khanmagomedov
Posts: 234
Country : Russia | yureklis - 2018-04-07 2:10 PM
Riad Khanmagomedov - 2018-04-05 1:40 PM
amitsowani - 2018-04-05 9:56 AM
Riad Khanmagomedov - 2018-04-04 1:21 PM
chaotic_iak - 2018-04-04 9:20 AM
In 11 can the ball cross its own path?
No.
So this translates to - each half white and fully white cell needs to be visited exactly once?
The white cell can be crossed twice. The path should not overlap with itself.
I don’t get it, can the road cross itself or not? Because your first answer is “No”, and the second one is “Yes”. Did you mean that a horizontal road segment and a vertical road segment can cross on a fully white cell? Are we talking about the 2017 April’s Opti-Roll puzzle; the road act same in here about crossing?
I understand the question as it is translated the translator. If the issue was not the word "own", I understood it clearly. The path can intersect itself (the fully white cell can be crossed twice ), but the path should not overlap with itself. |
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