How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were?	Fairly balanced
What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Too many hard puzzles
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Fairly Nice
How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test?	Way too many puzzles (too little time)
Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty?	Most puzzles were worth the right amount
What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing?	I have a different complaint

This time unfriendly contest for players without printers.

Edited by An LMI player 2013-12-15 10:04 PM

How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were?	Perfectly balanced
What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Just right
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Very nice
How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test?	Just right
Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty?	Many puzzles were worth too much or too little
What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing?	Just right

How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were?	Perfectly balanced
What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Too many medium difficult puzzles
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Very nice
How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test?	Way too many puzzles (too little time)
Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty?	Most puzzles were worth the right amount
What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing?	Too few pages / too small grids

I attempted the chaos renban only after the test...and found it to be easier than some puzzles worth 30-40 points. I know it can vary with individual strengths, but that's a hell of a lot of variation!

I agree. The chaos renban took me 10 minutes, while the other 100 pointer, x is alive took me 20. There's a few others that I think are incorrectly valued too, but the chaos renban is probably the biggest sore thumb I saw.

How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were?	Fairly balanced
What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Just right
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Fairly Nice
How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test?	Just right
Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty?	Most puzzles were worth the right amount
What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing?	Just right

Points distribution is mostly a very hard part of writing a test. I am lucky to have a small team of testers, who are all well experienced sudoku solvers. There is quite some variation between their timings, so I understand the responses here. Especially the Chaos Renban puzzle has a shortcut that makes it easier solvable; the 5's play a crucial role in all five renban groups. Noticing that makes the solving process a lot faster.

It is always worth looking to high pointers in a test, even if you are not among top solvers. It might be better to look at puzzles that you are good at, no matter how much points they are worth.

How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were?	Perfectly balanced
What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Just right
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Fairly Nice
How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test?	Just right
Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty?	Most puzzles were worth the right amount
What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing?	Just right

How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were?	Perfectly balanced
What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Just right
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Very nice
How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test?	Just right
Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty?	Most puzzles were worth the right amount
What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing?	Just right

These tests are always made to be printed. Puzzling is in general a paper and pencil activity (although I admit some of that is changing). So being without a printer will always make it a bit harder to solve. I don't exactly see what makes it unfriendly though. It might take a little bit more time writing in paint, but I don't see how that can be changed fairly. I for example aren't very skillful in online applets, so that would not give me any advantage if those were made. But I generally feel that some people get a distinct advantage of solving in an online applet as they employ a solving style that would be very impractical on paper.

I personally don't have a properly functioning printer right now. So I did it without a printer in paint. I thought it went pretty well. I would have probably done better with one as it's much easier to write and keep notes and write quickly on paper than in paint. But the grids were easily copy-pasted into paint two at a time because of the layout, so it saved some time in having to copy paste all grids separately. I could solve 2 puzzles and then put in the answer keys 2 at a time, saving me some time in having to switch windows a lot. I did last week's test in paint as well and I thought this one was much friendlier in having to solve in paint.

Edited by Para 2013-12-16 10:09 AM

How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were?	Fairly balanced
What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Too many hard puzzles
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Very nice
How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test?	A bit too many puzzles
Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty?	Most puzzles were worth the right amount
What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing?	I have a different complaint

The only complaint is that there wasn't online solving. It is unconvience for people without printer.

How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were?	A bit skewed
What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Just right
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Very nice
How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test?	Just right
Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty?	Many puzzles were worth too much or too little
What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing?	Just right

A bit too much math types/sum restrictions.

Edited by Realshaggy 2013-12-16 4:23 PM

How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were?	Perfectly balanced
What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Too many hard puzzles
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Very nice
How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test?	Way too many puzzles (too little time)
Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty?	Most puzzles were worth the right amount
What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing?	Just right

How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were?	Fairly balanced
What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Just right
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Very nice
How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test?	Just right
Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty?	Most puzzles were worth the right amount
What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing?	Just right

How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were?	Perfectly balanced
What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Just right
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Fairly Nice
How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test?	Way too many puzzles (too little time)
Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty?	Most puzzles were worth the right amount
What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing?	Just right

How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were?	Perfectly balanced
What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Too many hard puzzles
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Very nice
How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test?	A bit too many puzzles
Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty?	Most puzzles were worth the right amount
What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing?	Just right

How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were?	Perfectly balanced
What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Just right
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Very nice
How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test?	Just right
Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty?	Most puzzles were worth the right amount
What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing?	Just right

What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Just right
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Very nice
How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test?	A bit too many puzzles
Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty?	Many puzzles were worth too much or too little
What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing?	Just right

How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were?	Fairly balanced
What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Just right
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Very nice
How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test?	Just right
Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty?	Most puzzles were worth the right amount
What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing?	Just right

Best of LMI sudoku tests is over. Password removed from booklet.

The bonus shown in score page is wrong (it shows 10 points per minute saved). Here are the correct numbers.

Player	Claim	TotalScore
janoslaw	092:27	1298
TiiT	098:09	1222.62
Ours brun	102:41	1168.64
sinchai4547	113:04	1061.32
kwaka	114:05	1051.86
deu	114:46	1045.6
misko	115:11	1041.82
Kota	116:26	1030.63

BoS is now over. Congratulations to Jan, Tiit and Bastien for incredible performances!

Jan has beaten my estimated winning time with 5 minutes; I expected the winning time to be close to 100 minutes, so I was happy to see Tiit doing exactly this on saturday afternoon. I was a little bit surprised that his time was beaten by 5 minutes by Jan. Well done!

I am happy to see a lot of participants again, and to notice that you all enjoyed it. Thanks for participation and feed back!

I will write something about the test, puzzle choice and few remarks about solving issues on particular puzzles in the next days.

Richard

How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were?	Perfectly balanced
What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Too many hard puzzles
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Very nice
How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test?	Just right
Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty?	Most puzzles were worth the right amount
What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing?	Just right

How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were?	Fairly balanced
What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles?	Just right
What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test?	Very nice
How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test?	Just right
Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did the point values reflect the difficulty?	Most puzzles were worth the right amount
What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing?	Just right

I am a bit short in time to enter the details, but thanks for a very nice test Richard. I was also a bit surprised by the difficulty of some puzzles said to be hard but such a thing happens on about every test, including mine. I really don't think it is possible to make everyone agree on the point value of a puzzle. And anyway, in my case it was rather a pleasant surprise to see that I was able to solve the Number X in around five and a half minutes. ;)

Congrats to Jan, Tiit and the hungry opponents and thanks again for these much enjoyable puzzles.

Also, I have nothing to complain about regarding the balance of types. Just realized I had failed selecting the "Perfectly balanced" option for this criteria.

Congratulations to Jan and Bastien. I was also very surprised to see Jan's result. After completing the test and seeing others results I was pretty sure that even if I won't win, I should not loose much to the best ones. On the other hand - as the difference between the followers are much bigger than 5 minutes (except Bastien), the 5 minutes (5 and a half minutes to be exact) with Jan isn't so big any more. Anyway I'm very happy to be in this position right now :)

P.S. The top 10 in LMI Sudoku Ratings is quite familiar now - exactly the same as in GP, but just in different order. It makes sense because many GP rounds were held in LMI and this was the base of making this top10, but the list wasn't the same before the Best of LMI sudoku tests.

TiiT

I noticed that you submitted 19 solutions first, without 'X'. When you entered that one few minutes later, I thought you must halve solved already half of the grid earlier, only to finish it after the first lot.
Incredible if you did the complete puzzle that fast.
It has a very narrow solving path, with many different solving steps. In my opinion it was the only real hard puzzle, since it has no shortcuts like the renban-puzzle.
So: Well done!