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Subject: TVC XIV — 31st August - 2nd September @ 2013-08-23 8:37 AM (#12408) (#12408) Top


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Tapa Variations Contest XIV

Date: 31st August - 2nd September 2013

Length: 75+5 minutes

IB and Submission Link : http://logicmastersindia.com/TVC/XIV/
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Subject: Re: TVC XIV — 31st August - 2nd September @ 2013-08-24 12:41 AM (#12426 - in reply to #12408) (#12426) Top




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Tapa clones: are clue cells white?
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Subject: Re: TVC XIV — 31st August - 2nd September @ 2013-08-24 1:07 AM (#12427 - in reply to #12426) (#12427) Top


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tamz29 - 2013-08-24 12:41 AM

Tapa clones: are clue cells white?


Yes, clues are white cells. I noted that, but I forgot to add the instruction. I'll add it to puzzle booklet. Thanks Tawan.
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Subject: Re: TVC XIV — 31st August - 2nd September @ 2013-08-27 5:35 AM (#12459 - in reply to #12408) (#12459) Top




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I assume puzzle #5 is meant to be called Cyclic Tapa instead of Cylic Tapa?
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Subject: TVC XIV Practise: Introduction @ 2013-08-27 6:36 AM (#12462 - in reply to #12408) (#12462) Top


Link to original post : TVC XIV Practise: Introduction

Upcoming weekend will be TVC XIV on Logicmasters India. I'll be trying to write an example of each puzzle type like last year. I missed TVC XIII as I was a bit late realising it would start and had other puzzles to write at that moment. Puzzles will be posted over the next few days.
I'm using this post to direct you to some of the previous examples of some of the variants used.

Tapa Loop:
http://logicmastersindia.com/lmitests/?test=TVC13
http://logicmastersindia.com/lmitests/?test=M201207P

Tapa Turns:
http://anuragthefirst.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/tapa-turns.html

Tapa [Regional]:
http://mellowmelon.wordpress.com/2012/02/22/puzzle-389/
http://logicmastersindia.com/lmitests/?test=M201209P

Pentapa:
http://logicmastersindia.com/lmitests/?test=TVC7

Elimination Tapa:
http://chaosatthesky.wordpress.com/2013/05/15/deception-5/
http://logicmastersindia.com/lmitests/?test=M201305P
http://puzzleparasite.blogspot.com.au/2011/09/puzzle-11-tapa-cross-out.html


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Subject: RE: TVC XIV Practise: Introduction @ 2013-08-28 1:11 PM (#12480 - in reply to #12462) (#12480) Top




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In Logirace for Tapa bottom solution given as 13345. Pl let me know where I am wrong.
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Subject: RE: TVC XIV Practise: Introduction @ 2013-08-28 1:40 PM (#12481 - in reply to #12480) (#12481) Top


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devarajand - 2013-08-28 1:11 PM

In Logirace for Tapa bottom solution given as 13345. Pl let me know where I am wrong.


Can you post an image with your progress? Its difficult to say where you're wrong without knowing how much you've solved.
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Subject: RE: TVC XIV Practise: Introduction @ 2013-08-28 1:55 PM (#12482 - in reply to #12480) (#12482) Top




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Unable to attach my file too large.
Ans;
W3B3W3B
WBWB3WBWB
2BW3BWBWB
B4W5B
BW4B2WBW
BWB2W5B
BWB4WBWB
BWBW4BWB
3BWB3W2B
4W5BW
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Subject: Re: TVC XIV — 31st August - 2nd September @ 2013-08-28 4:45 PM (#12483 - in reply to #12408) (#12483) Top


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I think your solution is right, but maybe your understanding of the Answer Key is off? If you see the Instruction booklet example, you are supposed to enter longest number of connected cells. Here connected means connected by the loop. If you actually draw the loop within your shaded wall, then you'll see the correct answer key - 13345 as given.
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Subject: Re: TVC XIV — 31st August - 2nd September @ 2013-08-28 8:26 PM (#12485 - in reply to #12408) (#12485) Top




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Thanks for your clarification.
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Subject: Re: TVC XIV — 31st August - 2nd September @ 2013-08-29 8:48 AM (#12493 - in reply to #12485) (#12493) Top


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Practice puzzles from Bram at http://puzzleparasite.blogspot.in/2013/08/tvc-xiv-practise-part-1.h...
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Subject: Re: TVC XIV — 31st August - 2nd September @ 2013-08-30 11:57 AM (#12505 - in reply to #12493) (#12505) Top


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More Practice puzzles from Bram at http://puzzleparasite.blogspot.in/2013/08/tvc-xiv-practise-part-2.h...
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Subject: Re: TVC XIV — 31st August - 2nd September @ 2013-08-31 6:57 AM (#12515 - in reply to #12408) (#12515) Top


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Some notes:

Cyclic Tapa: "Similar shapes within a puzzle do not have to necessarily have to contain the same clues" [WB]

Tapa In The Cave: "It could be worth putting an exception to the "Tapa rule" at the beginning of the document that this puzzle is an exception to the 'There are no wall segments on cells containing numbers' condition." [WB]
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Subject: Re: TVC XIV — 31st August - 2nd September @ 2013-08-31 7:47 AM (#12517 - in reply to #12515) (#12517) Top


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PuzzlePoints
1. Tapa Loop136
2. Tapa Clones58
3a. Tapa Turns48
3b. Tapa Turns74
4. Tapa [Regional]47
5. Cyclic Tapa4 X 34
6. Wordic Tapa42
7a. Pentapa59
7b. Pentapa99
8. Tapa Or Not Tapa58
9a.Tapa In The Cave49
9b.Tapa In The Cave164
10.Elimination Tapa30

Announcements

Password protected puzzle has 11 pages (including a cover page with points table)
Time bonus will be computed after you click 'Claim Bonus'
Penalty will be given irrespective of correctness of submission



Contest Length : 75 minutes
Total Points : 1000
Bonus : 4 points per minute saved (Computed upto seconds)
Grace Period : 5 minutes
Penalty : 9 points per minute used (Computed upto seconds)


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Subject: Re: TVC XIV — 31st August - 2nd September @ 2013-09-01 12:14 AM (#12522 - in reply to #12408) (#12522) Top


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Link to score page : http://logicmastersindia.com/TVC/XIV/score.asp

Please note feedback page is enabled - Same set of questions as usual LMI tests.

A note : We found that a particular player has rated all the puzzles even before taking the test, even giving different ratings to different puzzles of same type. Such ratings will be ignored without warning.
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Subject: Re: TVC XIV — 31st August - 2nd September @ 2013-09-01 3:21 AM (#12525 - in reply to #12522) (#12525) Top


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Wonderful Puzzles. I think thats the first time I've finished a TVC? Cool.
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Subject: Re: TVC XIV — 31st August - 2nd September @ 2013-09-01 4:09 PM (#12530 - in reply to #12408) (#12530) Top




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Well done Prasanna! (and of course the sugoi Japanese competitors!) I'm a minute behind you and also very pleased to finish for a change.
I didn't know there was a Claim Bonus button, I haven't been in that situation before. Although now I see it mentioned in the Announcements panel. Doesn't matter, it's quite tiny in my case, and would spoil my nice round score.

Great puzzles. I was never intending to do #8 "Tapa or no tapa", because the practice puzzles required too much thought. That is one of the 'advantages' of not being good enough to finish, we don't have to do them all! But unfortunately(?) I was forced to try it at the end, and actually really enjoyed Serkan's approach. Thank you! :-)
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Subject: Re: TVC XIV — 31st August - 2nd September @ 2013-09-01 4:49 PM (#12531 - in reply to #12530) (#12531) Top


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kiwijam - 2013-09-01 4:09 PM

Well done Prasanna! (and of course the sugoi Japanese competitors!) I'm a minute behind you and also very pleased to finish for a change.
I didn't know there was a Claim Bonus button, I haven't been in that situation before. Although now I see it mentioned in the Announcements panel. Doesn't matter, it's quite tiny in my case, and would spoil my nice round score.

Great puzzles. I was never intending to do #8 "Tapa or no tapa", because the practice puzzles required too much thought. That is one of the 'advantages' of not being good enough to finish, we don't have to do them all! But unfortunately(?) I was forced to try it at the end, and actually really enjoyed Serkan's approach. Thank you! :-)



I saw some of your submission times, honestly I wondered what you would do for 3-4 puzzles in last 10-15 minutes, then I watched at the admin panel. Except for the Pentapa (b), others were easy, and you did smoothly all of them. When you didn't "push the button", I thought you were checking your submissions :)

About Tapa Or Not Tapa, first version of this puzzle had so many clues. I was thinking that it shouldn't be like this. So I made again, and my intention was to construct with a few clues, so 0-1 seemed very suitable for it.

I'm really glad that so many solvers complete the test. I can balance difficulty easier than previous year, because William's solving times are incredibly helpful. If he can complete the test nearly 65-70 minutes, so many solvers can repeat the same. So I've stuck to his solving times for balancing the whole test difficulty. Normally, balancing whole test difficulty one tester's times not enough, if you make so many solvers happy. Also tester solving skills don’t have to be same. So the designer needs to get more than one's times. But this is not case for William's. I hope that he can find time for rest of the TVC.
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Subject: Re: TVC XIV — 31st August - 2nd September @ 2013-09-01 8:31 PM (#12532 - in reply to #12408) (#12532) Top


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 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? All puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


Ayse Naz'a derslerinde basarilar dileriz.

Edited by bskbri 2013-09-01 8:32 PM
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Subject: Re: TVC XIV — 31st August - 2nd September @ 2013-09-01 9:20 PM (#12533 - in reply to #12532) (#12533) Top


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bskbri - 2013-09-01 8:31 PM

Ayse Naz'a derslerinde basarilar dileriz.


:) Ayse Naz is my nephew. She is 5.5 years old, and she is going to start the primary school two weeks later,1st-grade :)
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Subject: Re: TVC XIV — 31st August - 2nd September @ 2013-09-01 9:53 PM (#12534 - in reply to #12408) (#12534) Top


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 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? Most puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


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Subject: Re: TVC XIV — 31st August - 2nd September @ 2013-09-02 4:18 AM (#12537 - in reply to #12531) (#12537) Top




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yureklis - 2013-09-01 11:49 PMI saw some of your submission times, honestly I wondered what you would do for 3-4 puzzles in last 10-15 minutes, then I watched at the admin panel. Except for the Pentapa (b), others were easy, and you did smoothly all of them. When you didn't "push the button", I thought you were checking your submissions :)
Yes, I always save small puzzles for the end, because I don't want to be halfway through a large puzzle when time runs out. And I found all the puzzles smooth this time, it's nice to watch them fall without getting stuck on one.You were right, I was checking my submissions. Which took a couple of minutes, and that finished inside the Grace Period (there is no point to claiming a bonus then). It surprises me that only one of the current finishers (= Ko) checked answers (unless perhaps the others made a correction before finishing). And there were 10+ people with a #correct of 15/16...
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Subject: Re: TVC XIV — 31st August - 2nd September @ 2013-09-02 5:21 AM (#12538 - in reply to #12408) (#12538) Top


 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
 Of the puzzles you solved/attempted, how well did their point values reflect the difficulty/time spent? All puzzles were worth the right amount
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


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Subject: Re: TVC XIV — 31st August - 2nd September @ 2013-09-02 8:13 AM (#12541 - in reply to #12408) (#12541) Top




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That Wordic Tapa clarification would have made preparing the practise puzzle so much easier.
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Subject: Re: TVC XIV — 31st August - 2nd September @ 2013-09-02 9:19 AM (#12542 - in reply to #12537) (#12542) Top




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kiwijam - 2013-09-02 4:18 AM

yureklis - 2013-09-01 11:49 PMI saw some of your submission times, honestly I wondered what you would do for 3-4 puzzles in last 10-15 minutes, then I watched at the admin panel. Except for the Pentapa (b), others were easy, and you did smoothly all of them. When you didn't "push the button", I thought you were checking your submissions :)
Yes, I always save small puzzles for the end, because I don't want to be halfway through a large puzzle when time runs out. And I found all the puzzles smooth this time, it's nice to watch them fall without getting stuck on one.You were right, I was checking my submissions. Which took a couple of minutes, and that finished inside the Grace Period (there is no point to claiming a bonus then). It surprises me that only one of the current finishers (= Ko) checked answers (unless perhaps the others made a correction before finishing). And there were 10+ people with a #correct of 15/16...


I always write out my answer keys after solving a puzzle and then recheck when entering these days. So the checking goes in with the entering instead of afterwards as I notice that afterwards I really never feel for checking answer keys, but during entering I am more diligent.

Thanks Serkan, it was a fun set. Most of it went smoothly, except for having to restart part of the Cyclic as I entered a clue from a triangle into a circle. That was bound to happen considering I can't even manage to put the symbols in the same place in different grids when constructing.
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