@ 2012-06-20 8:06 PM (#7546 - in reply to #7545) (#7546) Top | |
Posts: 87 Country : India | harmeet posted @ 2012-06-20 8:06 PM Perhaps we need to paste the same answer key to all the puzzles |
@ 2012-06-20 8:55 PM (#7547 - in reply to #7546) (#7547) Top | |
Posts: 739 Country : India | vopani posted @ 2012-06-20 8:55 PM harmeet - 2012-06-20 8:06 PM Perhaps we need to paste the same answer key to all the puzzles Wouldn't that be so cool? |
@ 2012-06-23 3:05 PM (#7555 - in reply to #7524) (#7555) Top | |
Country : India | Administrator posted @ 2012-06-23 3:05 PM Logic Masters India announces July 2012 Sudoku Test — Copy Paste Dates : 7th June - 9th July IB and Submission Link : http://logicmastersindia.com/M201207S/ Author : Richard Stolk |
@ 2012-06-23 3:36 PM (#7556 - in reply to #7555) (#7556) Top | |
Posts: 191 Country : The Netherlands | Richard posted @ 2012-06-23 3:36 PM Just like for my previous test ‘Shapes and Sizes’, I have gathered a few links to more practise material. The following puzzles appeared either in the puzzle portal of Logic Masters Germany or in a German Sudoku Championship. If you have any question about one of these puzzles or regarding ‘Copy Paste’, please do not hesitate to ask; I’ll be happy to answer. A) IB German sudoku championship 2011 Relevant puzzles: 6 Pünktchen (Consecutive) 7 Maxi (Maximin) 8 Position 9 Pfeile (Arrow) B) Online finals German sudoku championship 2011 Relevant puzzles: 7 Pfeile (Arrow) 10 Position 12 Maxi (Maximin) 16 Pünktchen (Consecutive) C) IB German sudoku championship 2012 Relevant puzzles: 7 Maxi (Maximin) 8 Pfeile (Arrow) 11 Renban 14 Scattered 16 Chaos Diagonal 17 Position 19 Pünktchen (Consecutive) D) Qualification German sudoku championship 2012 Relevant puzzles: 1 Pünktchen (Consecutive) 5 Position 7 Pfeile (Arrow) 8 Maxi (Maximin) 10 Renban 16 Scattered E) Puzzles from the puzzle-portal of Logic Masters Germany: 1 Consecutive easy easy 2 Maximin medium hard 3 Arrow easy 4 Scattered easy 5 Chaos Diagonal hard 6 Minimax medium 7 Equal medium medium 8 Ascending easy 9 Ascending Nonconsecutive medium |
@ 2012-06-24 11:13 AM (#7562 - in reply to #7556) (#7562) Top | |
Posts: 191 Country : The Netherlands | Richard posted @ 2012-06-24 11:13 AM After completing the Copy-Paste test, I had a few unused puzzles. I have posted them in the puzzle portal of Logic Masters Germany yesterday. Here are the links to the leftovers: Arrow Sum 100 Ascending Consecutive Minimax Maximin With exception of the Arrow sudoku, all of the puzzles above are a bit harder then the ones of the same type in the real test. Please look at my comment at the Arrow sudoku in the puzzle portal, explaining why I use a different lay out then the international standard. I hope my puzzle doesn't lead to too much confusion. |
@ 2012-06-24 2:34 PM (#7563 - in reply to #7562) (#7563) Top | |
Posts: 774 Country : India | rakesh_rai posted @ 2012-06-24 2:34 PM Does the ascending nonconsecutive grid in the IB have a unique solution? |
@ 2012-06-24 3:03 PM (#7565 - in reply to #7563) (#7565) Top | |
Country : India | debmohanty posted @ 2012-06-24 3:03 PM rakesh_rai - 2012-06-24 2:34 PM Yes, and that is same the solution given at the end. Does the ascending nonconsecutive grid in the IB have a unique solution? (ASCENDINGNC.png) Attachments ---------------- ASCENDINGNC.png (38KB - 0 downloads) |
@ 2012-06-24 3:17 PM (#7567 - in reply to #7524) (#7567) Top | |
Posts: 774 Country : India | rakesh_rai posted @ 2012-06-24 3:17 PM The numbers 1,4,7 in C7 and C9 in R2,R6 and R9 can be interchanged to form another valid solution. Plus, there are three more valid solutions (most probably). |
@ 2012-06-24 3:23 PM (#7568 - in reply to #7567) (#7568) Top | |
Posts: 191 Country : The Netherlands | Richard posted @ 2012-06-24 3:23 PM rakesh_rai - 2012-06-24 3:17 PM The numbers 1,4,7 in C7 and C9 in R2,R6 and R9 can be interchanged to form another valid solution. Plus, there are three more valid solutions (most probably). In that case the 1 comes direct under the 2 in row 9, which is not allowed. |
@ 2012-06-24 3:23 PM (#7569 - in reply to #7567) (#7569) Top | |
Country : India | debmohanty posted @ 2012-06-24 3:23 PM rakesh_rai - 2012-06-24 3:17 PM I'm not sure, but 4 can't be at R2C7, and neither at R9C7 because of the non-consecutive constraint. The numbers 1,4,7 in C7 and C9 in R2,R6 and R9 can be interchanged to form another valid solution. Plus, there are three more valid solutions (most probably). |
@ 2012-06-24 3:36 PM (#7571 - in reply to #7569) (#7571) Top | |
Posts: 191 Country : The Netherlands | Richard posted @ 2012-06-24 3:36 PM debmohanty - 2012-06-24 3:23 PM rakesh_rai - 2012-06-24 3:17 PM I'm not sure, but 4 can't be at R2C7, and neither at R9C7 because of the non-consecutive constraint. The numbers 1,4,7 in C7 and C9 in R2,R6 and R9 can be interchanged to form another valid solution. Plus, there are three more valid solutions (most probably). Exactly. The 4 is given in R9, so swapping digits is limited. The puzzle has definitely a unique solution. |
@ 2012-06-24 3:38 PM (#7572 - in reply to #7524) (#7572) Top | |
Posts: 774 Country : India | rakesh_rai posted @ 2012-06-24 3:38 PM OK. Somehow, I initially thought (wrongly) that the non consecutive constraint only applies on the gray bold lines. |
@ 2012-06-24 3:43 PM (#7573 - in reply to #7572) (#7573) Top | |
Posts: 191 Country : The Netherlands | Richard posted @ 2012-06-24 3:43 PM rakesh_rai - 2012-06-24 3:38 PM OK. Somehow, I initially thought (wrongly) that the non consecutive constraint only applies on the gray bold lines. No problem. It's good that IB's appear and that forum threads are opened before a test is hold. |
@ 2012-06-24 9:35 PM (#7575 - in reply to #7524) (#7575) Top | |
Country : India | debmohanty posted @ 2012-06-24 9:35 PM Copy Paste from here It is easy to figure out that both SudoClones and Copy Paste have similar themes. It is interesting that Richard and Sylvain came up with similar ideas with few weeks apart (much before Clone round in BIST). Thats when we decided to schedule these 2 tests one week apart and to publish the IBs at the same time. Luckily, the variations in these 2 tests are very different and I'm sure players will enjoy these tests like every other LMI tests. |
@ 2012-06-24 10:59 PM (#7577 - in reply to #7562) (#7577) Top | |
Posts: 89 Country : India | utkaarsh posted @ 2012-06-24 10:59 PM Has anyone tried the consecutive from unused puzzles, not able to crack it (Consecutive.gif) Attachments ---------------- Consecutive.gif (24KB - 3 downloads) |
@ 2012-06-24 11:52 PM (#7578 - in reply to #7577) (#7578) Top | |
Posts: 1801 Country : India | prasanna16391 posted @ 2012-06-24 11:52 PM utkaarsh - 2012-06-24 10:59 PM Has anyone tried the consecutive from unused puzzles, not able to crack it At a glance you can get the entire middle column using the fact that the upper part cannot be 4-3-2 and has to be 4-5-6. If you hadn't done that already, maybe that helps. Edited by prasanna16391 2012-06-24 11:53 PM |
@ 2012-06-25 12:09 AM (#7580 - in reply to #7577) (#7580) Top | |
Posts: 191 Country : The Netherlands | Richard posted @ 2012-06-25 12:09 AM utkaarsh - 2012-06-24 10:59 PM Has anyone tried the consecutive from unused puzzles, not able to crack it The upper right block provides very much information if you take a close look at it. |
@ 2012-06-25 12:11 AM (#7581 - in reply to #7571) (#7581) Top | |
Posts: 337 Country : Switzerland | Fred76 posted @ 2012-06-25 12:11 AM Richard - 2012-06-24 3:36 PM debmohanty - 2012-06-24 3:23 PM rakesh_rai - 2012-06-24 3:17 PM I'm not sure, but 4 can't be at R2C7, and neither at R9C7 because of the non-consecutive constraint. The numbers 1,4,7 in C7 and C9 in R2,R6 and R9 can be interchanged to form another valid solution. Plus, there are three more valid solutions (most probably). Exactly. The 4 is given in R9, so swapping digits is limited. The puzzle has definitely a unique solution. During solving this one, I had the feeling that it was not the first time I solved it. Just for my curiosity: is it an already published puzzle (perhaps from a previous year IB of DSM?), or have I dreamed it? Fred |
@ 2012-06-25 12:13 AM (#7582 - in reply to #7580) (#7582) Top | |
Posts: 337 Country : Switzerland | Fred76 posted @ 2012-06-25 12:13 AM Richard - 2012-06-25 12:09 AM utkaarsh - 2012-06-24 10:59 PM Has anyone tried the consecutive from unused puzzles, not able to crack it The upper right block provides very much information if you take a close look at it. Haha ! you really like this configuration ! |
@ 2012-06-25 12:28 AM (#7583 - in reply to #7581) (#7583) Top | |
Posts: 191 Country : The Netherlands | Richard posted @ 2012-06-25 12:28 AM Fred76 - 2012-06-25 12:11 AM During solving this one, I had the feeling that it was not the first time I solved it. Just for my curiosity: is it an already published puzzle (perhaps from a previous year IB of DSM?), or have I dreamed it? Fred Well, yes and no. The nonconsecutive ascending puzzles where among the hardest to make for this test, at least smoothly solving ones. So I wanted to use my older puzzle from the puzzle portal Germany first. (You solved it a few months ago.) This one. But it turned out to be a bit too hard, even for the IB. Since I liked the constellation of the puzzle very much, with the long line in the middle, I tried to reuse the idea and make an easier puzzle out of it. I think the one that is in the IB now is much more suitable than the earlier one would have been. So your feeling is correct and you are well awake! |
@ 2012-06-25 12:40 AM (#7584 - in reply to #7582) (#7584) Top | |
Posts: 191 Country : The Netherlands | Richard posted @ 2012-06-25 12:40 AM Fred76 - 2012-06-25 12:13 AM Haha ! you really like this configuration ! Yep! I will be honest, it is one of my favorite configurations. I used it here for the first time. Only problem with it is that as soon as it is known by the puzzlers community, the power of it is gone. So it is definitely suitable for the IB, not for the real test. Consecutives are (next to irregulars) my favorite sudoku variant for a really loooong time, so this variant was the first one to put on my list for Copy Paste. Edited by Richard 2012-06-25 12:41 AM |
@ 2012-06-25 1:25 AM (#7585 - in reply to #7582) (#7585) Top | |
Posts: 89 Country : India | utkaarsh posted @ 2012-06-25 1:25 AM Thanks Fred, But gettin stuck in top, right box, 5nos connected L, and 8,9 deduced from box 6 are two clues not matching , would be helpful, if that box 3 placements be given for my understanding , thanks Edited by utkaarsh 2012-06-25 1:38 AM |
@ 2012-06-25 1:56 AM (#7586 - in reply to #7584) (#7586) Top | |
Posts: 191 Country : The Netherlands | Richard posted @ 2012-06-25 1:56 AM |
@ 2012-06-25 3:22 AM (#7587 - in reply to #7577) (#7587) Top | |
Posts: 315 Country : The Netherlands | Para posted @ 2012-06-25 3:22 AM utkaarsh - 2012-06-24 10:59 PM Has anyone tried the consecutive from unused puzzles, not able to crack it I haven't solved it yet, but I recognise the right top nonet from earlier consecutive puzzles Richard has made. So that is very likely a starting point. [Edit] Ah, I hadn't noticed there was a second page to the thread, and I see Richard has confirmed my suspicions. Edited by Para 2012-06-25 3:24 AM |
@ 2012-07-03 10:33 AM (#7697 - in reply to #7524) (#7697) Top | |
Country : India | Administrator posted @ 2012-07-03 10:33 AM AnnouncementBecause of administrative constraints, this test will start 12 hours before the usual start. The revised start time is 17:30 PM Friday India time / Noon Friday GMT. Exact start time will be available on submission page. Test end time does not change. |