Word Show — November Puzzle Test — 17th-19th November
@ 2012-11-09 1:25 PM (#8941) (#8941) Top

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@ 2012-11-13 5:20 AM (#8944 - in reply to #8941) (#8944) Top

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Logic Masters India announces November Puzzle Test — Word Show

Author : Nikola Zivanovic

Dates : 17nd — 19th November

Length : 90 minutes

IB and Submission Link : here

@ 2012-11-13 5:45 PM (#8946 - in reply to #8941) (#8946) Top

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Para posted @ 2012-11-13 5:45 PM

A few clarifications.
Hidden Words: I'm right to think that all words have to be placed in a straight line, readable from left to right or top to bottom. It's not mentioned in the instructions, but otherwise the example isn't unique.
Sigma Snake: The given letters aren't necessarily the head and tail of the snake. In the Snake Variations Contest they were.


Edited by Para 2012-11-13 5:48 PM
@ 2012-11-13 7:05 PM (#8947 - in reply to #8946) (#8947) Top

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Nikola posted @ 2012-11-13 7:05 PM


Hidden Words: I'm right to think that all words have to be placed in a straight line, readable from left to right or top to bottom. It's not mentioned in the instructions, but otherwise the example isn't unique.


Yes, you are right.



Sigma Snake: The given letters aren't necessarily the head and tail of the snake. In the Snake Variations Contest they were.


Two letters in grey cells represent head and tail of the snake. Some other letters may be given (e. g. like number 23 in classic snake). Those letters are not in grey cells and they are part of the snake. I hope it's clear now.
@ 2012-11-13 9:03 PM (#8948 - in reply to #8941) (#8948) Top

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greenhorn posted @ 2012-11-13 9:03 PM

Hi, I have also few questions.

Will be the proper answer rows marked in the PB?
Is it possible that we may cover 2x2 square only with a path (without any letters) in the puzzle no. 7 - Word Connection?
Is Slovakia one of the countries used in puzzle no. 12 - Word Search?

Thanks
@ 2012-11-14 1:44 AM (#8949 - in reply to #8948) (#8949) Top

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Nikola posted @ 2012-11-14 1:44 AM


Will be the proper answer rows marked in the PB?


Answer rows will be marked by an arrow(s) in all puzzles except in ABC Decoder and Word Connection.


Is it possible that we may cover 2x2 square only with a path (without any letters) in the puzzle no. 7 - Word Connection?


Yes, it is possible. There is no condition about 2x2 squares.


Is Slovakia one of the countries used in puzzle no. 12 - Word Search?


Slovakia is one of the listed countries, of course.

Edited by Nikola 2012-11-14 1:49 AM
@ 2012-11-14 2:44 AM (#8950 - in reply to #8949) (#8950) Top

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greenhorn posted @ 2012-11-14 2:44 AM

Thank you, Nikola!

This seems to be one of my favourite tests
@ 2012-11-14 5:27 AM (#8951 - in reply to #8949) (#8951) Top

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greenhorn posted @ 2012-11-14 5:27 AM

One small correction
Probably, there is one sentence missing from the instruction of puzzle no. 4 - Snail´s nest: ... Firstly replace one of the states with another state and then write the names into its own snail ... (E.g. Nebraska - New York)
@ 2012-11-14 11:01 AM (#8952 - in reply to #8941) (#8952) Top

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Yuhei Kusui posted @ 2012-11-14 11:01 AM

I have a question about FULL TAPA.

There is a sentence in the Answer key paragraph - "in each answer key indicated by an arrow there will be at least one letter".
I wonder why this sentence doesn't appear in other puzzles.
Does that means we should use this condition to reach a unique solution at FULL TAPA?
@ 2012-11-14 11:21 AM (#8953 - in reply to #8951) (#8953) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2012-11-14 11:21 AM

greenhorn - 2012-11-14 5:27 AM

One small correction
Probably, there is one sentence missing from the instruction of puzzle no. 4 - Snail´s nest: ... Firstly replace one of the states with another state and then write the names into its own snail ... (E.g. Nebraska - New York)
The given word list is not correct.
2 practice puzzles from Indian Puzzle Championship 2011 attached.



Attachments
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Attachments IPC2011_Finals_Round3_Four_Snails.pdf (28KB - 16 downloads)
@ 2012-11-15 4:19 AM (#8954 - in reply to #8952) (#8954) Top

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Nikola posted @ 2012-11-15 4:19 AM

I have a question about FULL TAPA.

There is a sentence in the Answer key paragraph - "in each answer key indicated by an arrow there will be at least one letter".
I wonder why this sentence doesn't appear in other puzzles.
Does that means we should use this condition to reach a unique solution at FULL TAPA?

Thank you, Yuhei. Sorry, I should note that in the general instructions. This is not a condition, just an information, obviously bad placed. I tried to predict the possible question "what if there is no letters in answer row?"
@ 2012-11-15 4:24 AM (#8955 - in reply to #8951) (#8955) Top

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Nikola posted @ 2012-11-15 4:24 AM

greenhorn - 2012-11-14 5:27 AM

One small correction
Probably, there is one sentence missing from the instruction of puzzle no. 4 - Snail´s nest: ... Firstly replace one of the states with another state and then write the names into its own snail ... (E.g. Nebraska - New York)


This is what happens when you do not pay enough attention for the instructions using copy-paste technology only. Sorry.
@ 2012-11-15 5:45 PM (#8957 - in reply to #8954) (#8957) Top

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Yuhei Kusui posted @ 2012-11-15 5:45 PM

Nikola - 2012-11-15 4:19 AM

I have a question about FULL TAPA.

There is a sentence in the Answer key paragraph - "in each answer key indicated by an arrow there will be at least one letter".
I wonder why this sentence doesn't appear in other puzzles.
Does that means we should use this condition to reach a unique solution at FULL TAPA?

Thank you, Yuhei. Sorry, I should note that in the general instructions. This is not a condition, just an information, obviously bad placed. I tried to predict the possible question "what if there is no letters in answer row?"

Thanks Nikola, that makes a sense.

I'm really looking forward to this kind of test; it's a chance in a million for me to beat Hideaki and Kota

Edited by Yuhei Kusui 2012-11-15 5:46 PM
@ 2012-11-16 12:19 PM (#8964 - in reply to #8941) (#8964) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2012-11-16 12:19 PM

Links to lot of practice materials from Bram's blog and following Serkan's comment - http://puzzleparasite.blogspot.in/2012/11/puzzle-139-abc-decoder.ht...
@ 2012-11-16 10:06 PM (#8968 - in reply to #8941) (#8968) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2012-11-16 10:06 PM

Announcements

• Password protected pdf is uploaded. It has 7 pages. There is no cover page / points table.
• Note about WORD CONNECTION : Answer format checking for the puzzle is not enabled.
• Link to score page : http://logicmastersindia.com/M201211P/score.asp
• The score page also has new feedback system tab.


@ 2012-11-17 7:12 AM (#8971 - in reply to #8941) (#8971) Top

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Para posted @ 2012-11-17 7:12 AM

Well my goal of leading the test at one point worked by taking it right at the start. I had fun. I enjoyed what I managed to solve.
@ 2012-11-17 10:32 AM (#8973 - in reply to #8941) (#8973) Top

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chaotic_iak posted @ 2012-11-17 10:32 AM

So I'm not used to word puzzles -_-

Nice test and tribute to WPC 2012.
@ 2012-11-18 3:57 AM (#8976 - in reply to #8973) (#8976) Top

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MellowMelon posted @ 2012-11-18 3:57 AM

3 letters away from the word search (last puzzle) with one minute to go... and I discover after the test that my missing letter set was wrong, which explains why I couldn't finish it. Ouch. And for what is probably my new greatest oops in puzzle competitions, I missed the word stairs because I forgot to put my own name in.

Having the same word set for all puzzles was a nice touch, even ignoring that my name was in it. Meant that you could start picking up speed in the middle of the test as you got more used to the quirks of that particular word bank. Word Nurikabe for example seemed impossible when I tried it at the beginning, then not all that hard when I came back to it at the end.
@ 2012-11-18 5:25 PM (#8977 - in reply to #8941) (#8977) Top

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Zormac posted @ 2012-11-18 5:25 PM

Certainly a nice test, a good mixture of intuitive word placement thinking and some more working puzzles. Even if my name was "included". :D Was surprising to fail on the Scrabble even after spending a few minutes on it - am not used to that. Great stuff.
@ 2012-11-18 5:56 PM (#8978 - in reply to #8941) (#8978) Top

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Kota posted @ 2012-11-18 5:56 PM

What a Good test! Nikola, Great Job!
But, I had a sad feeling because my place at WPC was 11th. If I had performed little better, my name would have been listed in the puzzles...
@ 2012-11-18 6:27 PM (#8979 - in reply to #8941) (#8979) Top

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forcolin posted @ 2012-11-18 6:27 PM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? A bit skewed
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


am I the only one which has replied to this questionaire?

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@ 2012-11-18 7:01 PM (#8980 - in reply to #8979) (#8980) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2012-11-18 7:01 PM

forcolin - 2012-11-18 6:27 PM

am I the only one which has replied to this questionaire?


I believe you're the only one who's posted it on the forum so far. I'm sure others have voted.

@ 2012-11-18 7:02 PM (#8981 - in reply to #8941) (#8981) Top

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kishy72 posted @ 2012-11-18 7:02 PM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Very skewed
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Below Average
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Way too many puzzles (too little time)
 How fair do you think the rankings were? Most players got scores that did not reflect their performance
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2012-11-18 7:06 PM (#8982 - in reply to #8980) (#8982) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2012-11-18 7:06 PM

prasanna16391 - 2012-11-18 7:01 PM

forcolin - 2012-11-18 6:27 PM

am I the only one which has replied to this questionaire?


I believe you're the only one who's posted it on the forum so far. I'm sure others have voted.

Should we say "first one", and "not only one"?
@ 2012-11-18 7:12 PM (#8983 - in reply to #8982) (#8983) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2012-11-18 7:12 PM

debmohanty - 2012-11-18 7:06 PM

Should we say "first one", and "not only one"?


"so far"
@ 2012-11-18 7:17 PM (#8984 - in reply to #8941) (#8984) Top

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prasanna16391 posted @ 2012-11-18 7:17 PM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? A bit skewed
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? A bit hard
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? A bit too many puzzles
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


I had mixed emotions leading up to this one. I don't really like Word Puzzles and I know they're easily my biggest weakness. On the other hand, I usually like Nikola's puzzles, so was curious to see what he can do with these.

My performance shows emphatically how bad I am at these. But I did enjoy them at my own pace and solving the rest later. I especially liked Hidden Words and Word Connections. They both took me a lot of time, but were the most enjoyable logically. Word Nurikabe was a bit too difficult in my opinion. The rest were all nice.

Thanks for the test, some much needed Word Puzzle practice.
@ 2012-11-18 8:24 PM (#8985 - in reply to #8941) (#8985) Top

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forcolin posted @ 2012-11-18 8:24 PM

re: the questionnaire. I was a bit confused by the novelty. perhaps did not pay attention to other forum posts. I found the puzzle very integrated to each other and the idea of having always the same names very intriguing. I can understand the frustration of Kota.
I have solved now all the puzzles i did not solve in the competition and can appreciate their quality. Only one thing could be improved, the distribution of the points. The Wordsearch was not difficult but very time consuming and should have paid more than 12 points; on the other hand the nurikabe was paying very generously because, once gone through the difficult step (and the puzzle has only one) the solution is immediate; definitively not the most difficult puzzle of the set as the 24 points seem to suggest.
@ 2012-11-18 9:06 PM (#8986 - in reply to #8941) (#8986) Top

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amitsowani posted @ 2012-11-18 9:06 PM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? A bit skewed
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? A bit too many puzzles
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2012-11-18 11:14 PM (#8987 - in reply to #8941) (#8987) Top

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BohemianCoast posted @ 2012-11-18 11:14 PM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? A bit hard
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Fairly Nice
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? A bit too many puzzles
 How fair do you think the rankings were? Most players got the score they deserved
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2012-11-19 12:45 AM (#8988 - in reply to #8978) (#8988) Top

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Para posted @ 2012-11-19 12:45 AM

Kota - 2012-11-18 5:56 PM

What a Good test! Nikola, Great Job!
But, I had a sad feeling because my place at WPC was 11th. If I had performed little better, my name would have been listed in the puzzles...


I think Nikola was very happy with JANA instead of KOTA though, especially in the no repeat genres as it gave that nice 9 A's.
@ 2012-11-19 2:26 AM (#8989 - in reply to #8941) (#8989) Top

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saintorm posted @ 2012-11-19 2:26 AM

The Word Stairs puzzle does not have a unique solution... thirty-six possible answers, by my count. Just wondering if anyone else saw this problem?
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saintorm posted @ 2012-11-19 3:11 AM

...now up to 42 solutions!?!
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saintorm posted @ 2012-11-19 4:02 AM

...132 solutions, and that's my final answer :)
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MellowMelon posted @ 2012-11-19 4:14 AM

Did you catch the rule about letters not being allowed to repeat in a row/column?
@ 2012-11-19 4:15 AM (#8993 - in reply to #8941) (#8993) Top

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ksun48 posted @ 2012-11-19 4:15 AM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? A bit skewed
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? A bit hard
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Way too many puzzles (too little time)
 How fair do you think the rankings were? Many players got scores that did not reflect their performance
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2012-11-19 5:33 AM (#8994 - in reply to #8989) (#8994) Top

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debmohanty posted @ 2012-11-19 5:33 AM

thirty-six possible answers

...now up to 42 solutions!?!

...132 solutions, and that's my final answer :)
That sounds like a USPC counting puzzle
@ 2012-11-19 9:06 AM (#8995 - in reply to #8941) (#8995) Top

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kiwijam posted @ 2012-11-19 9:06 AM

I'm not very confident with word puzzles normally (I leave them until last in most tests), so I thought I'd be bad at this, but I still wanted to compete. So I unclicked the 'include in ratings' box so it wouldn't matter if I was awful.
But after finishing I see this is likely to be my best result yet! How confusing :-) Now I definitely wish I hadn't played with that checkbox! Perhaps all the puzzles I did last month had a positive effect after all.

I think it is necessary to spot that there are 9 "A"s for Word Labyrinth and Snails Nest, and in Nurikabe I noticed that the E could not be HIDEAKI, because if it was you could write the name backwards IKAEDIH and get a different solution.

Thanks Nikola!
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Zormac posted @ 2012-11-19 1:43 PM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? A bit hard
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Mostly perfect answer keys
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Just right
 How fair do you think the rankings were? Most players got the score they deserved
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2012-11-19 5:58 PM (#8997 - in reply to #8988) (#8997) Top

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Kota posted @ 2012-11-19 5:58 PM

Para - 2012-11-19 12:45 AM

Kota - 2012-11-18 5:56 PM

What a Good test! Nikola, Great Job!
But, I had a sad feeling because my place at WPC was 11th. If I had performed little better, my name would have been listed in the puzzles...


I think Nikola was very happy with JANA instead of KOTA though, especially in the no repeat genres as it gave that nice 9 A's.


Sure! To tell the truth, I didn't notice that 9 A's within duration time...
Moreover, if KOTA had been listed, 'KO' would have apeeared three times and some puzzles would have been more confused!
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tamz29 posted @ 2012-11-19 8:35 PM

I would've beaten Ulrich if I hadn't forgot to include him in the Word Labyrinth!
17 points is definitely a huge amount to lose this way. :(
I don't think I'll ever have another chance being this close at the front of the pack.
Word puzzles are easily my best type to work with.

One of my earliest experience with puzzles was from a 24HPC set by Nikola, one of my favourite set of that year, I think it was 2007.
Then my first top 20 finish was in Puzzles and Chess. And now, fingers tightly crossed, I'm hoping for my first podium finish here.
Nikola, you should write LMI puzzle tests more often. :)
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alberto posted @ 2012-11-20 12:11 AM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Perfectly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Too many hard puzzles
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Way too many puzzles (too little time)
 How fair do you think the rankings were? Most players got the score they deserved
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right


@ 2012-11-20 12:48 AM (#9000 - in reply to #8941) (#9000) Top

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evy posted @ 2012-11-20 12:48 AM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? Just right
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Average
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Perfect answer keys
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? Way too many puzzles (too little time)
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Too few pages / too small grids


@ 2012-11-20 5:48 AM (#9001 - in reply to #8941) (#9001) Top

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Administrator posted @ 2012-11-20 5:48 AM

With no other players participating, Word Show is now over.

Congratulations to Palmer, Ulrich and Tawan for their podium finishes. Congratulations to Tawan again for his first podium finish at LMI tests.
Among Indians, Amit played really well to be placed at 7th.

Link to score page : http://logicmastersindia.com/M201211P/score.asp , which now also has "Feedback Summary". Thanks everyone for using the feedback page. Those who have done it so far should check it out.

Would love to hear from Nikola what he thinks about the test now.
@ 2012-11-20 11:14 AM (#9003 - in reply to #8941) (#9003) Top

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Bram28 posted @ 2012-11-20 11:14 AM

Well, I stunk big time during competition, but I really enjoyed solving all of them afterwards. Thanks Nikola for the beautiful puzzles!!
@ 2012-11-20 4:18 PM (#9004 - in reply to #9003) (#9004) Top

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Nikola posted @ 2012-11-20 4:18 PM

Congratulations from my side to Palmer who almost completed the test, with one already described small mistake. He had more than 13 minutes for last Word Search puzzle but he couldn't finish it. Also congrats to Ulrich and Tawan, they solved correctly 9 of 11 submitted puzzles.

The fact is that most of the puzzles was a bit hard. When I saw Cedomir's and Serkan's total time, I decided to limite solving time on 90 minutes. It seems I had a strong pretesters for word puzzles.

I must say I enjoyed this weekend as many of you. Thanks to all of you for comments and feedbacks. Dominant green color on graphics telling me the test succeded.
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chaotic_iak posted @ 2012-11-20 6:30 PM

 How balanced do you think the puzzle types of this test were? Fairly balanced
 What was your opinion of the distribution of easy/hard puzzles? A bit hard
 What did you think about the puzzle quality of the test? Very nice
 What was your opinion about the answer key extraction? Answer keys could have been better
 How did you feel about the length / time limit for this test? A bit too many puzzles
 How fair do you think the rankings were? Most players got the score they deserved
 What was your opinion of the booklet formatting and printing? Just right